Hell, they use Firestorm so little that I forget that Stein and Jax are actually supposed to be a superhero.
Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 2
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Exactly! It's not surprising that Sarah and Mick get the best material. They do not have powers and never did. They best fit the format of this show. Which is a time travel, action show. Kind of hard to have Superheroes use their powers and wear their costumes when the stories are in the past. They would rather have the cast wear period clothing. Also seem to want to hide their powers in the past. Plus if any of the powered characters used their abilities to full potential it would make the non powered characters seem unnecessary.
This show is a weird mishmash of different ideas that does not always work together well. Clearly the producers did not figure out how to make it work and still seem to be struggling with it.
This show is a weird mishmash of different ideas that does not always work together well. Clearly the producers did not figure out how to make it work and still seem to be struggling with it.
I think it's more of an issue of using their powers and staying within the budget.
I agree that prolonging the time travel aspect is detrimental to the superhero aspect in this show.
And while the time travelling has great potential in showcasing the DC characters of different eras, they really don't use it as such, aside from Jonah Hex and the JSA. Okay, maybe the alternate future of Star City, but I mean, last episode, we were in the year 3000 and in Camelot, yet we didn't even get a glimpse of the Legion of Super-Heroes, Shining Knight, or Etrigan (not even a cameo of Jason Blood). We've been to World War II last season, and no Sgt. Rock anywhere. We've had space episodes, but no L.E.G.I.O.N. or Omega Men or any of the other dozens of space-faring DC characters. I do enjoy the show a lot, but it is not using the time travel in the DCU to its full potential.
So, I'd say either go full in, give us a World War I episode with Enemy Ace, give us an episode on Rann with Adam Strange, a World War II episode with the Blackhawks, maybe one in ancient Atlantis featuring Arion.
Or, go the other way, scrap the time travel aspect and have the Legends become a regular super-team located in another city of Earth-1 (Detroit?) and thus concentrate on the super-heroics.
And while the time travelling has great potential in showcasing the DC characters of different eras, they really don't use it as such, aside from Jonah Hex and the JSA. Okay, maybe the alternate future of Star City, but I mean, last episode, we were in the year 3000 and in Camelot, yet we didn't even get a glimpse of the Legion of Super-Heroes, Shining Knight, or Etrigan (not even a cameo of Jason Blood). We've been to World War II last season, and no Sgt. Rock anywhere. We've had space episodes, but no L.E.G.I.O.N. or Omega Men or any of the other dozens of space-faring DC characters. I do enjoy the show a lot, but it is not using the time travel in the DCU to its full potential.
So, I'd say either go full in, give us a World War I episode with Enemy Ace, give us an episode on Rann with Adam Strange, a World War II episode with the Blackhawks, maybe one in ancient Atlantis featuring Arion.
Or, go the other way, scrap the time travel aspect and have the Legends become a regular super-team located in another city of Earth-1 (Detroit?) and thus concentrate on the super-heroics.
Or perhaps avoid the "small universe" syndrome (it's already getting pretty small) and leave room to revisit some of these eras and run into the aforementioned characters. No need to cram everything and everyone into the same trip.
I would reduce the cast, crew of the ship down to a smaller number. It would allow the remaining characters more time for development. Same for the weekly guest stars. Some of these current regulars probably would have been better served as an occasional guest appearance that gives them more a showcases than being a regular face in a crowd.
Would it not be weird though for "The Team-Up Show" to have fewer team members than teams on "Single Hero" shows do?
I agree that they find the most ridiculous contrivances to prevent Firestorm from appearing and make Ray Palmer such a reactionary air-head that he rarely (if even) uses his suit to it's full potential -- but yeah as long as they keep the "We have to preserve the timeline..."; it fits the mission.
I will say though that with all the Magic abounding in the Camelot mythos (and the fact the writers had a fully ridiculous version of it here) - they COULD have had Firestorm beat the entire Black Knight army (and Rip Hunter) - and it wouldn't have messed anything up worse than it already was.
[Would have made the episode less dramatic and about 15 minutes or more shorter though .
I will say though that with all the Magic abounding in the Camelot mythos (and the fact the writers had a fully ridiculous version of it here) - they COULD have had Firestorm beat the entire Black Knight army (and Rip Hunter) - and it wouldn't have messed anything up worse than it already was.
[Would have made the episode less dramatic and about 15 minutes or more shorter though .
Well...I never knew what a "Christmas cracker" was before I read about it here, and now I've just seen one in a 1965 Avengers episode.
I agree -- the concept is not well thought out. I think making it an anthology show kinda like Outer limits would be better. They could do a couple of 2 or 3 parters, plus a clip episode like Outer Limits which tie them together.
The other thing would be to rotate teams....so some had suggested that this season would be the "magic legends" season, with COnstantine, Zantanna and others
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Another season could be The Outsiders....and culminating in the Justice League....
Well, the 3000 part I thought was a shout-out to the Comic Mini series Camelot 3000....that's why no Legion.
It would be nice to have those cameos you suggested...
I'm kind of tired of bottle shows about going into someone's mind and having it be a redress of the standing sets. Although it was cool that the swirly graphics showing on the mind-Waverider's monitors were evidently inspired by the original 1960s title imagery of Doctor Who.
The limitations of shooting in Vancouver in winter are starting to show too. First The Flash has to claim that Earth-2's Africa has a cool climate, and now we've got snow-covered evergreen forests in the Cretaceous. Well, apparently there was a cooling trend from the Jurassic to the Cretaceous, but one tends to think of it as being a warm period.
As soon as Amaya went out into the Cretaceous, I was hoping we'd get to see her summon a dinosaur's ashe. But I was thinking it would be for a fight scene, and it's cool that they went with something different, something rather touching. It's also nice that we finally got a conversation about her future and her granddaughter Mari. Plus there was a nod to season 2 of the Vixen animated series, which was where Ray met Mari.
It was cool that Amy Pemberton got to do an on-camera role for a change -- and she is really hot -- though it was a bit weird that Rip made out with his ship. That's two shows in the past year that have contrived a way to give an on-camera guest spot to their spaceship computer voice actress -- Killjoys did it last season by having Lucy download an emulation of her mind into an android. I think she also made out with the male crew member she was closest to. What is it with guys and their rides?
The limitations of shooting in Vancouver in winter are starting to show too. First The Flash has to claim that Earth-2's Africa has a cool climate, and now we've got snow-covered evergreen forests in the Cretaceous. Well, apparently there was a cooling trend from the Jurassic to the Cretaceous, but one tends to think of it as being a warm period.
As soon as Amaya went out into the Cretaceous, I was hoping we'd get to see her summon a dinosaur's ashe. But I was thinking it would be for a fight scene, and it's cool that they went with something different, something rather touching. It's also nice that we finally got a conversation about her future and her granddaughter Mari. Plus there was a nod to season 2 of the Vixen animated series, which was where Ray met Mari.
It was cool that Amy Pemberton got to do an on-camera role for a change -- and she is really hot -- though it was a bit weird that Rip made out with his ship. That's two shows in the past year that have contrived a way to give an on-camera guest spot to their spaceship computer voice actress -- Killjoys did it last season by having Lucy download an emulation of her mind into an android. I think she also made out with the male crew member she was closest to. What is it with guys and their rides?
Captain on the bridge! I liked this episode, especially now that Rip Hunter is back to his old self.
I should've been paying more attention; for some reason I briefly thought that Lexa Doig was Gideon. Sarah was right: Gideon looked hot.
It would be great if she actually had an avatar body, similar to Aya, the sentient software from Green Lantern The Animated Series.
I should've been paying more attention; for some reason I briefly thought that Lexa Doig was Gideon. Sarah was right: Gideon looked hot.
It would be great if she actually had an avatar body, similar to Aya, the sentient software from Green Lantern The Animated Series.
Sarah was right: Gideon looked hot.
Ooh, that'd be a great idea! It's not as if the Arrowverse hasn't mixed and matched character traits before (e.g. Jefferson Jackson as half of Firestorm, James Olsen as Guardian, etc.).
It's weirder that Sara didn't...
Yeah, the shuttle bus that will take him to the launch pad. That's what he meant right, right?
Amaya's importance to the timeline makes her a likely candidate for leaving the Waverider at the end of the season, but were they also foreshadowing Martin leaving?
I'd hate to see either of them go. I see the temporal logic in Amaya having to return home eventually, but she's just so gorgeous that I don't want her to leave. And Victor Garber is a terrific actor, although he's been kind of underutilized this season. Also, there's no Firestorm without Stein.
They do have a time machine, so it wouldn't be too hard to have her on board for another season with a promise they'll return her to the appropriate time eventually, but we've seen how that worked out for the rest of the Legends
There's his daughter now...
They do have a time machine, so it wouldn't be too hard to have her on board for another season with a promise they'll return her to the appropriate time eventually, but we've seen how that worked out for the rest of the Legends
There's also the fact that they're constantly risking her life, or risking an alteration to her future by, say, having her fall in love with Nate instead of whoever she's supposed to marry in order for Mari to exist.
Interesting thought, but I'm not fond enough of that actress to want to see her as a series regular.
Well, they also risk something similar for a lot of other people by not going back to Star City. They know that place will become a dystopian nightmare without their intervention. Though, I would probably prioritize stopping the future Thanagarian invasion.
They've already altered both futures by killing Vandal Savage and wiping out the Time Masters. There's no longer any guarantee that either will come to pass.
And who knows? Maybe the dystopian Star City happened because Sara and Ray weren't there for the Dominator invasion. Since they were there and played a role in fighting off the invasion, maybe they've already done their part to avert the dystopia.
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