That's not changing the original timeline, it's just adding details to it. Just like every single Star Trek episode or movie has done in the past.
Star Trek Discovery in trouble, and a de facto reboot?
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First of all, I didn't say anything about changing the timeline, just the new iteration affecting the old. Secondly, if we ignore the statements that the filmmakers have made and just look at the movies themselves, there is a good case that the Kelvin timeline movies overwrote the originals. It's harder to make a case for the two universes theory based on canon material alone. Finally, the Kelvin movies play fast and loose with the Star Trek world in a way nothing else has. The other ones were designed to fit together. The people making the Kelvin movies don't worry about if their projects contradict the original stuff, even when the backstory they invented for their movies argues in favor of the old stuff.
I've written a lot on this forum about my excitement for Discovery, and how altering the look of the franchise, etc, is a good thing. I'm not going to repeat that here, like many are.
What I will address is this supposed theory that Netflix aren't happy with what they're seeing, because it seems we've got a lot of people who don't quite understand how Netflix works as a creative body. Number one, there have been various interviews with Netflix head honchos over the past few years stating that they do not get involved in the creative process of their shows, and beyond commissioning shows based on pilot scripts and such, they let the production teams go off and make it, then watch the whole thing once it's done. This approach has been confirmed as being true by many showrunners and movie directors who've worked with them the past few years.
So, you're telling me that Netflix, with all of the above in mind, have somehow changed tact with this Trek show and are now not only unhappy with how it's turning out but are also throwing their weight around? The same Netflix who are not even creatively involved with this show, and are nothing more than an international distributor who've spent a lot of money to air it? Give me a break.
The only thing Netflix won't be happy about is the delays, but then this is the same company who sometimes have more than the customary 1 year gap between seasons themselves. They air stuff when it's ready, and stay out of the way until such time. To suggest that they are no longer doing the latter, particularly on a show with with they have no involvement with the production, is just more rubbish being spouted by people supposedly "in the know."
Moonves himself has said he has liked what he's seen. This is the same person who became the first person to cancel a Trek series since the 60s, no? If he's saying he's happy with it, then he's happy with it - he's not bullshitting anyone.
What I will address is this supposed theory that Netflix aren't happy with what they're seeing, because it seems we've got a lot of people who don't quite understand how Netflix works as a creative body. Number one, there have been various interviews with Netflix head honchos over the past few years stating that they do not get involved in the creative process of their shows, and beyond commissioning shows based on pilot scripts and such, they let the production teams go off and make it, then watch the whole thing once it's done. This approach has been confirmed as being true by many showrunners and movie directors who've worked with them the past few years.
So, you're telling me that Netflix, with all of the above in mind, have somehow changed tact with this Trek show and are now not only unhappy with how it's turning out but are also throwing their weight around? The same Netflix who are not even creatively involved with this show, and are nothing more than an international distributor who've spent a lot of money to air it? Give me a break.
The only thing Netflix won't be happy about is the delays, but then this is the same company who sometimes have more than the customary 1 year gap between seasons themselves. They air stuff when it's ready, and stay out of the way until such time. To suggest that they are no longer doing the latter, particularly on a show with with they have no involvement with the production, is just more rubbish being spouted by people supposedly "in the know."
Moonves himself has said he has liked what he's seen. This is the same person who became the first person to cancel a Trek series since the 60s, no? If he's saying he's happy with it, then he's happy with it - he's not bullshitting anyone.
Well, CBS is sinking probably a hundred-million into this thing, I doubt he would say it was disappointing even if it was. That would be terrible optics for a show that has already seen its release date pushed twice.
Rick Berman told us "we are very pleased" when talking about Nemesis.
They have distribution rights outside of North America.
I get your point completely, but if I recall correctly he was pretty rough with some of his comments about ENT when it was still on air wasn't he?
And have CBS even got any money sitting in this right now, beyond perhaps marketing? Was under the impression that the Netflix deal was such that every penny CBS had spent was already recovered?
Rick Berman told us "we are very pleased" when talking about Nemesis.
Well to be fair, Berman probably 100% believed that haha.
At that point, it was already pretty clear the show was going to be cancelled.
I've heard sixty percent, but even if every penny is covered, CBS is trying to build a streaming brand on the back of Discovery. Nothing would drive potential subscribers away quicker than saying the show wasn't impressive.
I hope Moonves was being truthful, but his job is to get people to subscribe to All-Access. He is part of the advertising.
I imagine him as the lawyer in Jurassic Park whose first thoughts upon seeing the dinosaurs was "We're going to make a fortune." Hopefully Discovery will end better.
First off, my confidence level of CBS doing a good job on Star Trek is not that high. Now if HBO, or Showtime, or even Netflix or Amazon were doing it, I'd be much more excited. But you never know, this show could be kick ass or it could land with a thud, and everyone has their own preconceived notions. Mine are not bad notions, let's just say they're below average notions. I'm certainly not subscribing to CBS All Bullshit network until I see the aired pilot.
Of course, Rick Berman said "we are very pleased" when talking about anything.Rick Berman told us "we are very pleased" when talking about Nemesis.
But, new iterations have always affected the old. TNG affected TOS. How is this any different?
Yup. Is Khan a product of selective breeding or genetic engineering?
He'd have made a good Royal.
"There's no conclusion like a Forgon conclusion"
(obscure 80s fictional 4th gen AI vapourware reference...)
Anybody saying otherwise would be quite, quite wrong
Netflix has only purchased the rights to exclusively distribute the show internationally, this is not a co production between CBS Studios (the studio division formally known as Paramount Television) and Netflix. They have no creative input into the production whatsoever.
I always imagined Rom accidentally partially lobotomized himself while setting a trap to kill Quark and take over the bar.
'Regarding Rom', if you will.
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