This is true there is a novel character who is a Commander at 102 or something, he sounds more like a 60 year old in the stories.
What is THE Worst continuity error in Trek history..?!
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Kor is in bit too good a shape on DS9. He's got his memory problems but he's far fitter than McCoy and only struggles to get a command or a frontline role in the DW because he's unpopular. But of course I wouldn't swap the Kor DS9 episodes for anything.
I don't remember the scene in question about Chekov not knowing Mudd, but is it possible Chekov was on the ship, but he didn't cross paths or interact with Mudd?
Chekov could have been in some other department, not on the bridge. Security guard, for example. (I mean, he IS security chief in TMP, so it stands to reason he had to be a redshirt at some point.)
This would also explain how Khan knows him in TWOK...
This would also explain how Khan knows him in TWOK...
Chekov is security chief in TMP? When is that mentioned?
It would explain why at the beginning of the book (non-canon, obviously) The Latter Fire, Chekov leaves the Enterprise to do security training. Huh.
EDIT: Also, I guess I don't have a problem with explaining Chekov's presence in an off-screen manner. But if we do that in this case, there's a whole bevy of other issues that could receive this treatment. I suppose if it remains in the realm of the debatable, it doesn't matter that much either way.
He's manning the weapons console, and he is responsible for admitting Spock onto the ship (Chekov mentions, about Spock's shuttle, "My security scan shows it has a Grade One priority").
Interesting! That never occurred to me. I need to be a better active listener, lol.
Which might not have been a part of Chekov's normal duties, it's just that Kirk casually told him to "see to it."
I agree. I have never, ever, ever understood folks who fight against the possibility/likelihood that Chekov was serving on the Enterprise during Space Seed, but simply was not shown onscreen in the episode. Simplest, most obvious explanation. We don't assume that every moment experienced by all 400+ humans in the two vessels was shown onscreen, and that all these moments starting with the discovery of the Botany Bay and ending with Khan's transport to the surface of Ceti Alpha V took place in less than 1 hour! I am forced to assume that some fans must also believe that toilets do not exist on Constitution class starships because they have never been shown onscreen.
When I watch an episode of Law & Order SVU that focuses primarily on Elliot and Olivia, I don't assume that lack of an appearance by John Munch means that the detective was transferred to a different precinct. Or was eaten by wolves.
Actually, the bathroom scene where Khan and Chekov shared an awkward, uncomfortable silence at the urinals on Deck 5 was cut by the censors, due to network sensibilities of the 1960s!
The answer is simple.
We know for a fact that Koenig was not an actor on the show when Space Seed aired.
That's totally different than if a credited actor doesn't show up in one episode or another.
People can interpret it however they want, it doesn't matter to me. I'm just saying that's why people resist that interpretation.
Exactly. Reducing the problem to adults struggling with object permanence is not a real criticism. That's silly. It's because the general understanding, based on Koenig joining the show after season 1, is that Chekov also didn't join the crew until after season 1. Retconning an explanation is fine, I guess, but I still find it a little hand-wavy, and I'm comfortable just writing it off as a minor slip.
Personally, I think the space pimp coming aboard with the three women that were irresistible to the males of the crew is something that's going to be remembered. If Chekov doesn't remember this, it's because he wasn't on the ship at the time.
Surprising it wasn't even a story someone told him. "Hey Chekov, let me tell you about this one time..."
Maybe things are just so eventful on the Enterprise it just became ancient history very quickly.
"I'm telling you Chekov, we see all kinds on this ship. There was a space pimp a while back, ah but that's ancient history."
"Actually, it was only six months ago"
"Shut up, Leslie."
Yeah I think by the time your ship gets caught by a giant green space hand and you meet a Greek god, space pimps are not exactly conversation starters anymore.
It just feels like a stretch. I think it's obvious that when WoK was written, it either didn't occur to Meyer or didn't seem important that Chekov wasn't in Space Seed. That's the reality. People can retcon an explanation, finding a place to squeeze in an off-screen Chekov in season one for that throwaway line in WoK to make sense. Which is fine. But it just seems like a stretch to me. That's all.
This really bothered me in the episode Relics. In order for the ship Jenolan to hold the door open for the Enterprise, the shields had to be up. But they had to beam Geordi and Scotty of the Jenolan before they blew it up to get it out of the way so they could fly through before it closed.
I dare say that in the 'future reality' of the Star Trek Universe, no one knows who a 20th Century actor named Walter Koenig was, and that actor's history, existence, or even non-existence would not have ANYTHING to do with when Pavel Chekov showed up for his first day of work on the Enterprise. We never saw Chekov's first day on the Enterprise onscreen, so there is nothing to say that he was not indeed there. Especially when TWOK shows that he was already onboard. I think we'd have to say that the scene in TWOK makes his presence on the ship with Khan 'canon', if I understand the definition of that term.
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