Sorry, my comment is referring to Bashir speech with Admiral Ross in Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges. Apologies for my confusion.
In the Pale Moonlight....
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I find it strange Earth has 'no crime', a lower crime rate than say now, I can get it but no crime? No genius level, juvenile, repeat offenders? No crooked Tom Paris on a New Zealand penal island? Nah. Humans don't loose the ability to commit crimes just cos they live in Paradise. DS9 Earth sounds boring, no wonder humans leave and start new colonies lol
Yeah, I don't really buy that either. Maybe no organized crime or gangs or insurance scams or whatever, but you're still going to have crimes of passion, rebellious teens acting up, and the occasional reprobate like Harry Mudd or Cyrano Jones.
Remember Lawrence Marvick, who was driven to attempted murder by jealously and unrequited love? Or Ben Finney? Or Janice Lester? And why do we still have defense attorneys like Samuel Cogley if there is no more crime?
As TOS teaches us, the only real way to get rid of crime is doping people with alien spores . . .
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I don't think he's speaking literally. The speech would not be as powerful if he said crime was .1% of the nearest competitor, or that incomes had been growing steadily above the poverty level for planets in the Federation.
As for Earth being boring, it would seem Picard thought so in "Family."
I said he hammed the accent up, I never said it wasn't a natural British accent, seeing as he lived most of his life in England. Don't tell me what I know, "KahMANdah". I don't like the actor or the character. If I'm too passionate in my expression of that fact, you can ignore my posts rather than being irritated by them. Not every role in Star Trek is a home run. They hated Beverly Crusher and got rid of her, the only reason she got her job back is they hated her replacement even more.
Bashir's smug, know-it-all condescending speech in "Moonlight" is exactly why I hate him. He probably really thought the Federation should surrender to a tyrannical enemy rather than do anything to protect itself. Once an enemy attacks you, they deserve everything that's coming to them. Too bad Section 31 didn't execute him for it. Now THAT would have been good TV.
Yeah, I don't really buy that either. Maybe no organized crime or gangs or insurance scams or whatever, but you're still going to have crimes of passion, rebellious teens acting up, and the occasional reprobate like Harry Mudd or Cyrano Jones.
Remember Lawrence Marvick, who was driven to attempted murder by jealously and unrequited love? Or Ben Finney? Or Janice Lester? And why do we still have defense attorneys like Samuel Cogley if there is no more crime?
As TOS teaches us, the only real way to get rid of crime is doping people with alien spores . . .
I would guess with no poverty there would be no poverty-related crime. And crime caused by addiction and mental illness would probably be wiped out, too. Hate related crimes or crimes of passion might not be though.
No, you claimed (and still claim) it's not Siddig's natural (and completely normal for his context) British accent. A 'hammed up' accent is, by definition, not natural.
Ergo: You didn't, and still don't 'know.'
Maurice Hurley himself couldn't do a better job of completely misrepresenting what actually happened. Congrats.
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When I am extremely irritated by somebody or something, I take into account the strong possibility that it's my problem.
Yeah, I don't really buy that either. Maybe no organized crime or gangs or insurance scams or whatever, but you're still going to have crimes of passion, rebellious teens acting up, and the occasional reprobate like Harry Mudd or Cyrano Jones.
Remember Lawrence Marvick, who was driven to attempted murder by jealously and unrequited love? Or Ben Finney? Or Janice Lester? And why do we still have defense attorneys like Samuel Cogley if there is no more crime?
As TOS teaches us, the only real way to get rid of crime is doping people with alien spores . . .
Maybe there are no crimes on Earth, cos all drugs are legalised, everyone living there is as high as a kite. Probably explains why Sarek did not want Spock to join Starfleet, too many spaced out cadets.
During World War III after the British invaded France (again), the country was never the same lol
It would be easy to commit murder, a phaser leaves no shell casings, powder burns or gun residue.....(Yep, no more right to bare arms)
Our Heroes have been able to detect weapon discharges, sometimes well after the fact.
Heck, set the phaser high enough and there's no body left. You vaporize the evidence.
And think of the possible legal defenses if you get caught!
"It was my evil transporter double! It was my duplicate from the Mirror Universe! I was under alien mind-control! It was a shapeshifter disguised as me! I was possessed by the undead spirit of Jack of the Ripper! My crazy ex-girlfriend stole my body!"
Talk about reasonable doubt.
Which makes those CSI: Star Trek episodes all the more irritating. What possible "residue" should there be on the floor in "Aquiel" when phasers everywhere else leave nary a scorch mark? Why is there recognizable goo inside a plasma conduit in "In the Hands of the Prophets"? Of course, nothing hinges on the heroes actually identifying or even discovering these pieces of "evidence": they would have their suspicions from the very start, and would be in a position to interpret any tri-isopolarized anomaly as handy proof for their suspicions. After all, who's to contradict them?
Timo Saloniemi
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Great idea!
Does bring up an interesting point, though: Is it possible for a phaser vaporization to leave evidence behind?
At the very least, the computer (and there will always be a computer
) can, and will, log the use of all phasers fired within its sphere of influence. Particularly ones set on vaporize.
And there's no proof that there isn't some kind of residue left behind, is there?
I mean, if nothing else, the fact that there isn't (that we're aware of) a constant stream of phaser murders being committed, suggests that it's not quite as easy to commit them as we might think.
At the very least, the computer (and there will always be a computer
) can, and will, log the use of all phasers fired within its sphere of influence. Particularly ones set on vaporize.And there's no proof that there isn't some kind of residue left behind, is there?
I mean, if nothing else, the fact that there isn't (that we're aware of) a constant stream of phaser murders being committed, suggests that it's not quite as easy to commit them as we might think.
It may very well be that the Obsidian Orders and Tal Shiars actions at the Battle of the Omarion Nebula exacerbated the issues the founders had with the Alpha Quadrant and it's intentions in the Gamma Quadrant leading to the war.
And ultimately Sisko was right...
The Romulans only hope of survival was to join the Alliance against the Dominion, Sisko did them a favor.
They weren't, really.
Their mistake was more:
(a) they treated their predictions as certainties, with no margin for new information.
(b) they were presumptive enough to think they should make the major decisions, unelected, on behalf of everyone in the Alpha Quadrant.
(b) they were presumptive enough to think they should make the major decisions, unelected, on behalf of everyone in the Alpha Quadrant.
When it comes to the latter, you could see it as a perspective flip on some of Kirk and Picard's decisions. A few guys come in, determines something needs to be done for 'the greater good', ignores any authority, and totally upends entire civilisations (with all accompanying consequences) to get that done.
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Sure thing, "KahMANdah"
I think you mean bear arms. what would the motive for murder be?
TUC set up that, at least in some closed environments, The Feds had the tech to ensure you couldn't go on an unnoticed streak with a phaser.
Not that it helped Gorkon and his friends. There's always the loops and holes.
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