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In the Pale Moonlight....

The thing is, it's pretty unrealistic for Sisko to be doing this.

Not because of anything to do with Sisko's personality or morals or any of that stuff. But because Sisko is a trained soldier and should realize that Starfleet has special people for doing this stuff - people who no doubt are at it already.

A well-meaning and clever plan of subterfuge or disinformation is one hell of an act of treason if it undermines the information warfare campaign of your own side. Say, what if Senator Vreenak did buy this bit of false information - but SF Intel had just sold another equally convincing piece to Senator Kviksnak, and the two were in conflict, making Romulans dismiss both and start viewing the Dominion as the lesser evil? You have to coordinate these things, and realize that the enemy (that is, everybody outside your Office of Information Warfare, and half the people within, too) is fighting the same war, with its own disinformation campaigns and its professional skeptics who aren't swayed by individual pieces of true or false evidence but by statistics, patterns and deep knowledge of ulterior motivations.

Add to this that Romulans are mad as hatters: sell them intel intended to achieve X, and you instead achieve Y because you don't understand how their twisted minds work. Say, Stalin had an excellent intelligence organization in place before WWII, and the support of several Western agencies, too (including Germany's own Abwehr!), but because he was crazy, he thought he was seeing evidence of Hitler's undying allegiance to the USSR... Sisko has had minimal dealings with Romulans, and should realize where his expertise falls short.

If Sisko really wanted to contribute, he should have called either his superiors, or then the Jack Pack. It's nice he got lucky, but what he did was a much greater threat to the war effort than doing nothing.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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During WW2 there' was alt of diplomats, industrialists, even clerics engaging in clandestine efforts including plots to overthrow governments. And Starfleet types in frontier situations have alot of autonomy given their distance for the centre. So I wasn't necessarily surprised that Sisko is the point man for this.
 
The thing is, it's pretty unrealistic for Sisko to be doing this.

Not because of anything to do with Sisko's personality or morals or any of that stuff. But because Sisko is a trained soldier and should realize that Starfleet has special people for doing this stuff - people who no doubt are at it already.
It may be unrealistic for Sisko, who does not work in intelligence, but it is not unrealistic that governments might use unreliable people for information or services. Indeed, there are at least a few famous examples from thirteen years ago (but we would not want to open that can of worms, would we?).
 
Sisko did get approval from Starfleet to initiate his plan (I suspect they were vague on the details), so it's unlikely that what he did would have conflicted with any ops already in progress.
 
It wasn't a Sisko solo run. He's also a de facto political leader of sorts as well as a major *General* for want of a better word. As wormhole referee, he's the point-man at a crucial political intersection between numerous interests and probably one of the most influential men in the galaxy at that time.
 
As Sisko says in his log, "Starfleet Command had given the plan their blessing and I thought that would make things easier. But I was the one who had to make it happen."

Kor
 
It still seems to me like a betrayal of Starfleet principles and values. What if say in the years after the dominion war the romulans discover that the federation hoodwinked them into joining? Good luck on achieving better relations with the RSE in that case.
 
Punch Garak in the face?

edits: Ok, more seriously. Sisko expected Garak to do whatever it takes to get Romulus into the war. If all it took was minor subterfuge, great. But if it took conspiracy, murder, anything, just get it done. That's the sort of agent Garak was, and that's why Sisko went to Garak, even if he tried to kid himself at first. Garak told Sisko so, at the end, when Sisko was punching him, and Sisko couldn't disagree.
Starfleet Intel would certainly have their finger on what type of 'person' Garak was. Maybe Sisko (at first anyway) and Bashir bought the "poor, war refugee making a hard living as a tailor" story but no doubt Starfleet and Sec31 knew that Garak was a member of the Obsidian Order, albeit currently in poor favor.
Starfleet giving their blessing likely suspected that Garak was doing the dirty work.

It still seems to me like a betrayal of Starfleet principles and values. What if say in the years after the dominion war the romulans discover that the federation hoodwinked them into joining? Good luck on achieving better relations with the RSE in that case.
History is littered with dirty little state secrets of friendly states backstabbing each other, let alone cold-war espionage.
Should this ever become well known in the RSE higher-ups, the Tal Shiar and Perator would simply hold onto it until it could be used as leverage for concessions from the Federation.
 
I feel like there was also a NF story, part of an anthology, set in the future that referenced this (or maybe I just wished it had).
 
It still seems to me like a betrayal of Starfleet principles and values.

It makes you wonder, doesn't it? Are Humans really any different than Cardassians or... Romulans? If push comes to shove, if something disastrous happens to the Federation, if we are frightened enough, or desperate enough, how would we react? Would we stay true to our ideals or... would we just... stay here, right back where we started? - Julian Bashir
 
Whether the dominion would have attacked the romulans or not at a later date is inconsequential to the inescapable fact that Sisko is responsible for every drop of Romulan blood spilled during the war.
 
Yeah that sounds more like a Romulan attitude than a federation attitude-I thought we were supposed to have compassion for our enemies guess that just makes me naive like Bashir/s
 
It wasn't a Sisko solo run. He's also a de facto political leader of sorts as well as a major *General* for want of a better word. As wormhole referee, he's the point-man at a crucial political intersection between numerous interests and probably one of the most influential men in the galaxy at that time.

OTOH, in real life, Generals don't have the authority to engage in information warfare of this sort - they bow to their superiors, who may be a bunch of Colonels or civilians in some obscure office, and then perhaps get to rubber-stamp the plans devised by said.

That Sisko was eventually used as the point man is not the problem here. That he had the audacity to push the plan despite being trained to know that others were doing it better elsewhere is.

I mean, yes, he could have submitted a proposal. Lots of officers no doubt do, in Starfleet as well as in reality. But what he did was contact Garak, an enemy national, the first thing off the bat, and outline the plan for him - and then contact Starfleet with this already half-baked idea that had been through a blind tasting test by the enemy (with the blindfold on the jury!)...

I could see many a hero doing that. But a hero that's supposed to be a trained soldier gets diminished by the action even before we get to the morally dubious part.

Timo Saloniemi
 
It still seems to me like a betrayal of Starfleet principles and values. What if say in the years after the dominion war the romulans discover that the federation hoodwinked them into joining? Good luck on achieving better relations with the RSE in that case.
Years after the war Romulus was destroyed I believe the rest of the Romulans had more important issues to worry about.
 
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