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Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 2

Some people online have criticized Oliver ostracizing Supergirl, but I personally thought it was fine because it was so totally an "Oliver" thing to do and paved the way for the potential future development of a cross-dimensional friendship between the two characters that I don't think you could've set up without him having the post-traumatic reaction to her that he did.

It made sense that there would be some kind of clash between them, since they're the two most opposite characters, in terms of both personality and placement on the grounded/fanciful spectrum. Oliver's had to cope with a lot of weirdness in his life, but lately, in the wake of last season's magical catastrophes, he's trying to get "back to basics" and ground himself again (as is his show), and now he's confronted with aliens and parallel dimensions, and Kara embodies both at once. So she was a bit much for him to take. Conversely, Kara's just been dealing with anti-alien bigotry on her own world -- in a pretty horrific way with the Medusa-virus mass murder -- so that explains why Oliver's reaction made her so angry (though I wish we'd gotten a scene making that explicit).

Speaking of things left out on Kara's end, it was weird that she said the hero community on her world was "just me and my cousin." She should've mentioned J'onn, at least, though I can understand her still being unsure about the Guardian.


I don't know about anybody else, but I love Nate's Citizen Steel costume, and think he looks bad**** in it (sorry, Mick).

I think it's incredibly goofy-looking. And I'm usually okay with superhero costume elements that others find goofy.


I've seen some people complain about Thea just being dropped from the story, but, honestly, there just wasn't room in the narrative for her, and she was there largely to service the 100th Episode elements of the crossover's third installment anyway.

It's another thing that implicitly makes sense but would've been nice to see spelled out more. Thea's retired from crimefighting because it was too traumatic for her. She was drawn back in by the temptation of facing aliens, but then she had an emotionally wrenching experience with the illusion of her parents being alive and having to give that up. I can see her deciding that she just couldn't take any more -- and that her skills were kind of redundant to the effort anyway.


This was pointed out to me during a LIVE chat I was participating in, but Felicity commenting on how interacting with Kara when she was in civilian mode" was like looking in a mirror prompting Ray to comment that Kara looks like his cousin was made even more ironically hilarious and awesome by the fact that he and Felicity used to date.

Probably best not to think that through too carefully. (Though there was that creepy Silver Age comic where Superman expressed regret that Kryptonian custom wouldn't let first cousins marry, because Supergirl would be his perfect mate otherwise.)

Anyway, I'm surprised at how cavalier Supergirl was about giving away her civilian identity on Earth-1. That's a lot more people who know her secret now, and given how porous the multiverse is becoming, there's the possibility that information could get over to her world somehow. Although it's also pretty much an open secret at the DEO.

Mick and Sara both being physically turned on by both Kara and the new Earth-1 President was hilarious, and a nice way to bring back some of the two characters' Season 1 dynamic.

I was hoping for more Sara/Kara interaction. I'd read that Sara would be attracted to Kara and maybe flirt with her, but all we got was one line of Sara saying it was kinda hot what a badass Supergirl was. More seriously, given that Kara is adjusting to her sister coming out, it would've been interesting to see a nice quiet conversation about the subject between them, maybe learn more about Sara's own coming out.


Speaking of the President, we almost got Lynda Carter in that role as the Earth-1 version of Olivia Marsdin, but the studio convinced the writers you back away from that idea, which I think was a mistake.

I can see why they didn't go that route. It could've confused viewers -- Flash audiences are familiar with doppelgangers by now, but the viewers of the other three shows might've been thrown off -- and Marsdin's "secret identity" would create too many complications.

Besides, I like the idea that there are now two female presidents in the two featured worlds of the multiverse -- and Earth-1's POTUS is a black woman, which is even more of a potent statement now.

and the fact that it also means that we might see Earth-1 get a version of the DEO at some point in the future was the 'cherry on top'

Maybe Kara will send them the blueprints for her DEO headquarters, so that the Earth-1 DEO can use the same set.

On the whole, "Invasion" more than lived up to the hype for me and is more than likely going to be something that I sit down and watch in the future independently of the rest of the four series that encompass it, so kudos to the writers and producers for that.

"In the future," heck -- I'm planning to marathon the whole thing today or tomorrow.

I understand why they would want "The Atom" for the crossover but I feel a bit cheated that we didn't get to see how it happened on LoT (unless I missed something?). We've seen Ray trying to find himself without it, it seems like something that would have made nice story fodder.

Sounds like you missed something. We saw in the Western episode how Ray got a new supply of dwarf-star ore, as well as how the Waverider's fabricator could quickly create any desired costume or equipment (a fact also mentioned in the Arrow portion of "Invasion!" to explain how Team Arrow got their gear back after escaping the Dominators).
 
Sounds like you missed something. We saw in the Western episode how Ray got a new supply of dwarf-star ore, as well as how the Waverider's fabricator could quickly create any desired costume or equipment (a fact also mentioned in the Arrow portion of "Invasion!" to explain how Team Arrow got their gear back after escaping the Dominators).

I do remember the mention of the ore, I guess I just thought it would be more of a moment when he got the suit back.
 
@Christopher As somebody who liked Ray and Felicity's relationship, I liked that the two characters' dialogue could serve as both a meta-joke and a funny commentary on said relationship, even though the latter isn't something I initially picked up on until somebody else pointed it out.
 
So the planet seemed very calm afterwards despite Aliens appearing all over the world lol

People of Central City at least have seen worse, Barry created a black hole over the city once, alien spaceships are pretty much meh after that ;)

What is even the state of Krypton on Earth One?

Maybe Astra succeeded with her plan and they're all alive, but Myriad zombies?
Would be fun to find out at some point, maybe the Justice Crew could face Evil Superman in the future :D
 
maybe no Batman on Earth 38.

Kara said a couple of weeks ago that her cousin (Superman) had worked with a vigilante who had "tons of gadgets, lots of issues." Several weeks earlier, during an action sequence, a man told his family "That's it, we're moving back to Gotham." And there was that line in the Master Jailer episode last season where Kara said "I thought masks were only big in that other city." Collectively, the writers are pretty strongly hinting that there is a Batman on Earth 38. Which is why Commander Richard mentioned him.
 
One of the podcasts I listen to (Supergirl TV Talk) mentioned the possibility of Batwoman being the vigilante to whom Kara was referring, which would be awesome.
 
One of the podcasts I listen to (Supergirl TV Talk) mentioned the possibility of Batwoman being the vigilante to whom Kara was referring, which would be awesome.

I listen to the same show and I must of missed that. Was that on the current episode?
 
Another day indeed -- that invasion isn't due until 2175. And it was in a possible future that's now been erased, so there's no guarantee it'll happen at all.

It's a long way in the future, sure, but that shouldn't matter to the Legends. Especially since if it happens and winds up destroying humanity, it's kind of their fault because they made the choice to end the Time Masters' plan to use Savage against the Thanagarians.

And I think the whole point of the storyline was that the invasion happened in all the possible (or at least probable_ futures the time masters could see, because if not, that whole supporting tyrants thing wouldn't make any sense. I'm pretty sure the Legends would have to do a lot more than just kill the Time Masters to prevent it. Although defeating the Dominators could be a start (or it could be what puts Earth on the Thanagarians' radar to begin with).
 
It's a long way in the future, sure, but that shouldn't matter to the Legends. Especially since if it happens and winds up destroying humanity, it's kind of their fault because they made the choice to end the Time Masters' plan to use Savage against the Thanagarians.

My point is that there's no reason to assume the writers of the show are obligated to deal with the Thanagarian invasion at all. If it doesn't fit their plans for the show, they can just say "Oh, the timeline changed so the invasion never happened." Indeed, I think that's very likely their intention, since the Thanagarian stuff was part of the first-season Savage/Hawk arc, which neither the producers nor the fans of the show were very satisfied with. So I don't think they have any interest in revisiting that mythos in the foreseeable future.


And I think the whole point of the storyline was that the invasion happened in all the possible (or at least probable_ futures the time masters could see, because if not, that whole supporting tyrants thing wouldn't make any sense. I'm pretty sure the Legends would have to do a lot more than just kill the Time Masters to prevent it.

This is not a show that's cared a lot about its internal temporal logic. If the writers don't want to depict the Thanagarian invasion, then they can gloss over it any number of ways. They can say the Time Masters were wrong and it's no longer going to happen. They can say the Legends already stopped the invasion during the months between seasons. They can say the invasion still happens but it's so far in the future that there's no reason to deal with it during the few years that the show is on the air. Or they can just ignore the whole thing, which is clearly what they have been doing, since there hasn't been a word about it all season. Nothing is forcing them to revisit that storyline if they don't want to.
 
This was a great conclusion to the crossover.
It was surprising how much they dealt with Flashpoint, and resolved Barry and Cisco's issues. I know we'd gotten a few references to Flashpoint in the other parts, but I didn't expect it to be such a huge part of the LoT episode.
Stein has been one of my favorite characters, so I really enjoyed his arc here. As much as it might go against their mission, I was glad he decided not to wipe out his daughter.
Cisco and Felicity geeking out over time travel was a lot of fun, and them showing up to save the others was a great moment.
I was a little confused about how the group traveling back to the Dominator's first attack influenced the present day attack. I missed some of the dialog in the scene discussing it.
The cousin line from Ray cracked me up. Guggenheim has said the line was just a throwaway joke and nothing more.
Kara was a bit underused, but I did understand Oliver's attitude. As someone who isn't as used to the crazy stuff that the others deal with, I can understand not being able to deal with everything that was happening.
For a TV show the big fight at the end was pretty impressive.
The end was a pretty satisfying conclusion to the Invasion. It was a nice way to use the powered characters' abilities and the skill of the non-powered characters to find a non-lethal solution.
 
Some people online have criticized Oliver ostracizing Supergirl, but I personally thought it was fine because it was so totally an "Oliver" thing to do and paved the way for the potential future development of a cross-dimensional friendship between the two characters that I don't think you could've set up without him having the post-traumatic reaction to her that he did.

It's bad writing in order to move the chess pieces around (another CW trademark besides their heavy angst). Agent Smith ambushing the squad wouldn't work the same if Supergirl were there to resolve it in three seconds. It's the same way they kept Flash and Arrow from the rescue mission so that they wouldn't get mind controlled.
 
Just nitpicking, but how has Kara her civilian outfit at the end?
She arrived in Supergirl without luggage.
Did she make a Cisco trip back off screen just to change for the celebrations?
And why did she get her glasses anyway?
She doesn't have her identity protection issue on this Earth?
Real world reason? So they could make the mirror joke with Felicity, of course.
 
Just nitpicking, but how has Kara her civilian outfit at the end?
She arrived in Supergirl without luggage.
Did she make a Cisco trip back off screen just to change for the celebrations?
And why did she get her glasses anyway?
She doesn't have her identity protection issue on this Earth?
Real world reason? So they could make the mirror joke with Felicity, of course.
Hey, she's in a new world she hasn't seen - she went shopping for souvenirs (using Barry's credit card) and picked up some clothes. ;)
 
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