Well, he "kissed" her at 1:22 ...or sort of
(ok, it was very short AND to resuscitate her but it was better than nothing, wasn't it?!
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Why did Chakotay Choose to be with seven instead of janeway?
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Well, he "kissed" her at 1:22 ...or sort of
(ok, it was very short AND to resuscitate her but it was better than nothing, wasn't it?!
)
OK,. how about this:
If Kate had not been married to a career politician, at the time, would she have been more amenable to Janeway's having boyfriends - regardless if it were Chakotay, or not? I'm not so sure I buy this business about wanting Janeway to be chaste as a good example to the crew, or some shit. However you want to spin it, that excuse rings hollow. Had Kate been single, or with an Actor or whatever else, then Kathryn would've had a STAR TREKKIAN love-life, like all the rest.
If Kate had not been married to a career politician, at the time, would she have been more amenable to Janeway's having boyfriends - regardless if it were Chakotay, or not? I'm not so sure I buy this business about wanting Janeway to be chaste as a good example to the crew, or some shit. However you want to spin it, that excuse rings hollow. Had Kate been single, or with an Actor or whatever else, then Kathryn would've had a STAR TREKKIAN love-life, like all the rest.
I do believe she had the best intentions not to turn it into a soap opera. she felt she had to be a good role. that the stakes were high for she was being watched. Do I think she looked within for guidance? probably. she had a low streak with men herself and thus knows when you fall in love your distracted, shit happens (eg: break ups, divorces, family struggles) and that wouldn't be happening on her ship. she had to keep the eye on the prize: Earth.
Let me make sure I understood you. Were you asking if she allowed what happened in her own personal life influence her view of what was 'best' for Kathryn's path?
Mulgrew, a woman who completely experienced the 1980s, believed that the glass ceiling was real, and still real in the 24th century, and that a woman only even approached that ceiling by working extremely hard or sleeping with a powerful man (which is an immoral shortcut, but the ends do justify the means a lot of the time).
Mulgrew wanted to make it clear to the 20th century public that Janeway got her Captaincy by being smart and good at her job, and not tactically sleeping with persons to advance her character's career.
Mulgrew didn't want Janeway to be slutshamed (that's the word. Leave me alone) so she tried to block any possibility of Janeway becoming involved in a frivolous or advantageous relationships.
The American public can't be trusted not to be mean, when they see a random woman making healthy choices about her own sexuality.
Mulgrew wanted to make it clear to the 20th century public that Janeway got her Captaincy by being smart and good at her job, and not tactically sleeping with persons to advance her character's career.
Mulgrew didn't want Janeway to be slutshamed (that's the word. Leave me alone) so she tried to block any possibility of Janeway becoming involved in a frivolous or advantageous relationships.
The American public can't be trusted not to be mean, when they see a random woman making healthy choices about her own sexuality.
Not that, really ... it's more the idea that Kate might've felt that keeping Janeway unattached and uninvolved would've kept both her and Mulgrew out of the tabloids, and thus, not affect her personally, or the career of her husband. For example, in an election, whilst slinging mud as politicians just LOVE to do, such tabloid fodder could potentially be used to make Kate's husband look foolish, perhaps being referenced in ads, some way. If Janeway's only about the job of being a Captain, she's not an embarrassment, no matter what she does. Hurl her crew to the furthest reaches of the Galaxy, never to get home. Kill Tuvix. Voluntarily become a Borg ... it's all just a day's work and wholesome entertainment, besides.
From a character point of view, it would make sense for a captain to choose not to be involved with someone under their command. It happened with Picard. Janeway made it clear many times, not just with Chakotay, that she would NOT be involved with someone under her command.
Understandable from a human cultural perspective but considering other non human cultural rules might be different about such things. Starfleet, if it still has a Terrancentric fraternisation rule in the 23rd and 24th century should not be sending out ships with mainly single human beings on 5 year missions. Plus Picard broke that silly rule in 'Lessons' for about 5 minutes .
I really don't think it's an actual written rule.
It's a 'don't ask, don't tell' rule 
I'm confident that those in favour of a Chakotay/Janeway relationship, who were working on the show would find some way, some reason to get them together, had Kate Mulgrew been keen. Trekkies would've been tolerant of it, even if the "Chain of Command" aspect had been completely glossed over. Just show the Captain squeezing on her Number One and kissing him up, and it's all good. Leave it for some STAR TREK novel or comic book, or Fan Site to work out every detail of how & why it became permissible.
I'm sure they would, but there will always be individuals who are still uncomfortable with it. Even if it's not a general cultural thing.
As for rules on fraternization? Starfleet does not, AFAIK, have any. As long as it's consensual for everyone involved, Starfleet crewmembers can have relationships or flings (or even marriages) with whoever else on the ship they wish.
Well the novels did do that
Chakotay was oft jealous of Janeway, of course. But was she ever of him? I don't recall an instance of that. It always seemed like she didn't give a toss whom he bedded. It kept him out of her hair for a while, that's for certain ...
She wore a wig.
If Vainway was trying to keep that a secret, it would limit who she could romp with, and how much they could tussle in public without her bun falling off.
If Vainway was trying to keep that a secret, it would limit who she could romp with, and how much they could tussle in public without her bun falling off.
I wonder if the lady captain in The Voyage Home was all like, "I don't want audiences to think my character slept her way to the top."
She slept with Ben Vereen.
There's a lot of sex in the STAR TREK universe, but romantic involvement's always been very badly written. Chakotay's probably better off that Janeway encouraged him to choose another. The romance between Han & Leia in the original STAR WARS trilogy is a thing of beauty, compared to anything I've seen in STAR TREK. Even Trip & T'Pol was cringeworthy, at times. Did he ever have one, single conversation in her quarters, without her in a handbra? I wonder of Kate's sporting a handbra would've improved VOY ratings, or not ...
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