Why did Chakotay Choose to be with seven instead of janeway?
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I come across mixed messages on these boards. On one hand, there's been talk of Kate's steadfast refusal to do nude scenes. On the other, it's hard to tell if Kate's truly naked, or not in Sacred Ground. Could she be wearing a body stocking, of sorts, that's concealing her breasts from cast and crew? OR ... is she there, in the raw, with full knowledge that a big, fat cheque is waiting (likely coupled with other job perks)? If I'm not mistaken, Robert McNeil directed. He must have a Golden Oratory, indeed, to convince Kate to abandon her principles ... all for the sake of transitory ratings in an episode that wasn't even a cliff-hanger, or 2-parter.
All of the women, except Lien, had "nude" scenes. Roxann Dawson had 3, Jeri Ryan had 2
I'm trying to think of the men...and all I can come up with is Stewart in the 'There are Four Lights' scenes and Trineer.
Chakotay in Tattoo...but that supposedly was a butt double
Forgot about that one.
and of course I *wish* that Tom did a couple LOL
Proof or just another rumor?
Madge Sinclair, the unnamed Captain of the Saratoga, later went on to play the part of Captain Silvia LaForge, who was married to Eddie LaForge, played by Ben Vereen, who together were the parents of Geordie LaForge.
Which means that conceptually, characters these two actors played, ####ed at least once.
Is there a TNG conspiracy that Silvia is really god damned old, and that that was actually her in The Voyage Home?
Which means that conceptually, characters these two actors played, ####ed at least once.
Is there a TNG conspiracy that Silvia is really god damned old, and that that was actually her in The Voyage Home?
Oh.
Thank you for your quick reply, Guy Gardener!
I totally misunderstood your initial reply and I thought that you talked about Kate Mulgrew & Ben Vereen...
So ... Kate's OK with Janeway running around naked ... just not with her having a boyfriend. That makes a lot of sense.
Mulgrew or Janeway?
Nudity isn't always sexual.
Exactly. it was ritual disrobing. Not sexual at all
I am fully robed.
As to the nudity, I never said anything about it being sexual, nor did I ever think about it in those terms. The meaningless gratuity of it is exactly the point I was making about it. Whereas having a boyfriend is somehow considered demeaning to Janeway's character. Even if things hadn't 'worked out' between Chakotay & Kathryn, for some reason, sometimes former lovers are better friends to eachother, than most. Their bonds might've become even more meaningful.
For example, Janeway might've even investigated her own spirituality, thanks to Chakotay's inspiration ... perhaps even with some of his assistance. And anything sexual between them could've been implied, rather than shown, if that's what Mulgrew wanted. Maybe have The Good Captain sleeping in bed, grinning from ear ... to ear ... as we see Chakotay getting dressed and puts a rose on his pillow ... that sort of thing.
For example, Janeway might've even investigated her own spirituality, thanks to Chakotay's inspiration ... perhaps even with some of his assistance. And anything sexual between them could've been implied, rather than shown, if that's what Mulgrew wanted. Maybe have The Good Captain sleeping in bed, grinning from ear ... to ear ... as we see Chakotay getting dressed and puts a rose on his pillow ... that sort of thing.
Why is so difficult for some of you to accept Mulgrew's decision not to have a Janeway/Chakotay relationship?
(don't get me wrong, it is NOT a critic form my part but just a question.
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I note that if we have had Nicole/Bujold instead of Kathryn/Mulgrew, Janeway/Chakotay would have NEVER existed because this strange couple would have had the same effect on a great majority of fans than Chakotay/Seven and their lack of chemistry. Result: producers/writers would have ended to give up the idea quite quickly and both commanding officers would have looked for a possible happiness with others partners.
The only reason why Kathryn Janeway and Chakotay made people ship for them is due to Mulgrew/Beltran's game of seduction in earlier seasons (you have to admit that Beltran was much more convincing when his character flirted with Janeway than with Seven!). But according to the degradation of the (professional) relationship between both actors, I don't think that the Janeway/Chakotay from s6 or 7 would have been the same than in s1 to 3 (I mean, we saw how professional Mulgrew could be, even when she disliked one of her co-stars so, she would have changed nothing in her acting but Beltran's puerile attitude in last seasons - Ryan's impact on the show would have been the same - showed amongst other things, how he has lost interest in what might have happened to his character and I'm not sure that Chakotay's love interest for his capitain would have been as compelling as in Resolutions but maybe I'm wrong...
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I'm happy that producers/writers tried to treat Janeway, the only known female capitain of Starfleet, like her male colleagues. All capitains sacrificed their happiness for their carrier, even Sisko, who was married/father then widowed and later, married/father again... to finally leave wife and his children - including a newborn - baby behind.
I read somewhere that only Jeri Taylor pushed for a Janeway/Chakotay romance, while Berman, Piller and later Braga supported -and even shared - Mulgrew's choice.
I bet that they knew that the Chakotay/Seven would be controrversial and that's why they placed this "romance" in the series finale episode, Endgame, and notice, that there were in something like 1 or 2 scene(s) all reunited in the 1st part only, surely not to seem insisting too much on this couple came out of nowhere.
What is funny is that in reading comments let on varied forums made on ST: Voyager, on of the few things which is held, 15 years after the releasing of Endgame, is the non Janeway/Chakotay in favour of Chakotay/Seven, Admiral Janeway throwing her convictions and the future through the window to save only 3 people and of course, the defeat of the Borg Queen.
Fortunately, in novels written at the end of ST: Voyager, even I'm not happy with the idea of Chakotay's capitaincy, all authors quickly broke Chakotay / Seven, as it was mistake!
(a personal note: after a stressing Summer without a break, I am going to spend a few days in Montreal. Return planned on November 7th. Have fun!!!
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(don't get me wrong, it is NOT a critic form my part but just a question.
) I note that if we have had Nicole/Bujold instead of Kathryn/Mulgrew, Janeway/Chakotay would have NEVER existed because this strange couple would have had the same effect on a great majority of fans than Chakotay/Seven and their lack of chemistry. Result: producers/writers would have ended to give up the idea quite quickly and both commanding officers would have looked for a possible happiness with others partners.
The only reason why Kathryn Janeway and Chakotay made people ship for them is due to Mulgrew/Beltran's game of seduction in earlier seasons (you have to admit that Beltran was much more convincing when his character flirted with Janeway than with Seven!). But according to the degradation of the (professional) relationship between both actors, I don't think that the Janeway/Chakotay from s6 or 7 would have been the same than in s1 to 3 (I mean, we saw how professional Mulgrew could be, even when she disliked one of her co-stars so, she would have changed nothing in her acting but Beltran's puerile attitude in last seasons - Ryan's impact on the show would have been the same - showed amongst other things, how he has lost interest in what might have happened to his character and I'm not sure that Chakotay's love interest for his capitain would have been as compelling as in Resolutions but maybe I'm wrong...
).I'm happy that producers/writers tried to treat Janeway, the only known female capitain of Starfleet, like her male colleagues. All capitains sacrificed their happiness for their carrier, even Sisko, who was married/father then widowed and later, married/father again... to finally leave wife and his children - including a newborn - baby behind.
I read somewhere that only Jeri Taylor pushed for a Janeway/Chakotay romance, while Berman, Piller and later Braga supported -and even shared - Mulgrew's choice.
I bet that they knew that the Chakotay/Seven would be controrversial and that's why they placed this "romance" in the series finale episode, Endgame, and notice, that there were in something like 1 or 2 scene(s) all reunited in the 1st part only, surely not to seem insisting too much on this couple came out of nowhere.
What is funny is that in reading comments let on varied forums made on ST: Voyager, on of the few things which is held, 15 years after the releasing of Endgame, is the non Janeway/Chakotay in favour of Chakotay/Seven, Admiral Janeway throwing her convictions and the future through the window to save only 3 people and of course, the defeat of the Borg Queen.
Fortunately, in novels written at the end of ST: Voyager, even I'm not happy with the idea of Chakotay's capitaincy, all authors quickly broke Chakotay / Seven, as it was mistake!
(a personal note: after a stressing Summer without a break, I am going to spend a few days in Montreal. Return planned on November 7th. Have fun!!!
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