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Why did Chakotay Choose to be with seven instead of janeway?

You wouldn't look weak. Men spend too much time worrying about something that 'might make them look weak'. Most of the time, it doesn't so they worry for nothing.
Au contrair-certain things do make a man look weak.

Weakness isn't simply not having a six pack or a lot of liquid courage(though some might say that) it's about strength of conviction of will, of discipline(this can be so simple as not indulging sweets and getting up in the morning).

Also one social custom I would not abandon is that expectation that men be stoic-if your mom dies and the funeral service is in full gear shedding a tear won't hurt your reputation in my book-but getting emotional over a breakup? a failed interview a bad grade? Then your pathetic plain and simple.
 
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Au contrair-certain things do make a man look weak.

Weakness isn't simply not having a six pack or a lot of liquid courage(though some might say that) it's about strength of conviction of will, of discipline(this can be so simple as not indulging sweets and getting up in the morning).

Also one social custom I would not abandon is that expectation that men be stoic-if your mom dies and the funeral service is in full gear shedding a tear won't hurt your reputation in my book-but getting emotional over a breakup? a failed interview a bad grade? Then your pathetic plain and simple.

I have no problem with that opinion....but saying yes if a woman happens to ask him out does not make a man 'look 'weak.
 
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I have no problem with that opinion....but saying yes if a woman happens to ask him out does not make a man 'look 'weak.
I said that was nearly non-existent and an unfortunate social custom that frowns on that occurring. Anyway maybe one day such restrictions and stigmas will be loosened.
 
If a woman asks you on a dinner date, they pay for dinner, then you get a free meal.

Free meal.

It's a game therefore, where you see how many free meals you can chow down on without putting out, you massive tease.

How about a little but true romance :adore:...and no matter whether it is the woman or the man who goofed at first, we're in 21th centuries, par bleu ?! :angel:

Free meal.... SERIOUSLY?! You are a guy, Guy Gardener, it is doubtless! :rolleyes:

Anyway, as Voth comando1 wrote, "the problem with C/7 is that it is fake contrived, and quite frankly repulsive in its insincerity". Couldn't say/write better :techman:
 
Romance is but an aperitif, as young lovers snack on the hors-d'œuvres, waiting for the main entrée to be served. It's very nice, indeed - most enjoyable - but one could easily refer to "romance" as being "fake, contrived and insincere." It's not a true representation of what's to be expected ... of the realities of the individuals involved. It's but so much ritual ... like when male birds present females with pretty stones and shiny pieces of litter to encourage her to mate. It's all the same thing, really. The very same ...
 
Seven was taught romance by a lightbulb who once threw a space Romeo off a cliffface who'd snapped up the girl he was into.
 
Okay, back to Chakotay here for a second and the claim that he forced/dared Braga into the relationship with Seven. I sure wasn't there so I don't know fone way or the other but it seems Robert Beltran's recollection is different from that of some of you:
Jeri Ryan insisted on a kissing scene with me. It would've happened earlier but Brannon Braga only caved in after she threatened to break up with him.
, for those who want to look it up, here is the source: http://interviewly.com/i/robert-beltran-mar-2014-reddit
 
... HA!!!

Jeri "threatened to break up with" Braga, if Seven didn't get to kiss Chakotay! Now, that's a strange claim ...

However it was arrived at, the Seven/Chakotay thing managed to piss off a very vocal group of STAR TREK fans, out there. So, Chakotay's "been" with Seven, in the Biblical sense ... and what's changed? Did it act as a wake-up call for Janeway? You know ... for being a Captain and a cougar, Kathryn's still got a lot to learn: something good won't wait.

Moreover, she's observant enough to have noticed that - after Seska - Chakotay never found anyone 'regular.' He had a 1 Night Stand, here ... a Hump Weekend there ... but on the whole and in the main, there were many hardships and deprivations that Chakotay endured.

But the most obvious piece of evidence Janeway had on it was that he carried a torch for her. How could she ever respect that? It just makes him come off as a chump, you know? It's weak. She drove Chakotay to Seven, when you think about it. And to this day ... the fans refuse to admit that.
 
Okay, back to Chakotay here for a second and the claim that he forced/dared Braga into the relationship with Seven. I sure wasn't there so I don't know fone way or the other but it seems Robert Beltran's recollection is different from that of some of you:
, for those who want to look it up, here is the source: http://interviewly.com/i/robert-beltran-mar-2014-reddit
I mean he's obviously lying. I mean it's Beltran so yeah that couldn't be true.
 
I mean he's obviously lying. I mean it's Beltran so yeah that couldn't be true.
Well, you weren't there, were you? So simply stating that he is lying is not proof of anything other than that you dislike Chakotay/Beltran. I like him so I choose to believe that there is a good deal of truth to it and he is not lying about something that two people namely Ryan and Braga could easily deny.
 
Well, you weren't there, were you? So simply stating that he is lying is not proof of anything other than that you dislike Chakotay/Beltran. I like him so I choose to believe that there is a good deal of truth to it and he is not lying about something that two people namely Ryan and Braga could easily deny.
Maybe maybe not-he seems resentful and bitter honestly with his lot both on Voyager and afterwards-I wouldn't take everything he says at face value.
 
Okay, back to Chakotay here for a second and the claim that he forced/dared Braga into the relationship with Seven. I sure wasn't there so I don't know fone way or the other but it seems Robert Beltran's recollection is different from that of some of you:
, for those who want to look it up, here is the source: http://interviewly.com/i/robert-beltran-mar-2014-reddit

You need to be careful with Beltran. He likes dry satire. He said at the recent reunion that he was a joke and Braga called him on it by replying with "who is jealous". so as you can see there are variations of the story from the same man.
 
I keep hearing of a deleted scene in VOYAGER where Kathryn has a Chak Attack and actually kisses Chakotay of her own volition in a way that suggests fans should hold out hope for these two ...
 
I keep hearing of a deleted scene in VOYAGER where Kathryn has a Chak Attack and actually kisses Chakotay of her own volition in a way that suggests fans should hold out hope for these two ...
I've heard of this too, but never actually from either actor. I think it's just some random thing floating around started by a couple of J/Cers
 
Well, you weren't there, were you? So simply stating that he is lying is not proof of anything other than that you dislike Chakotay/Beltran. I like him so I choose to believe that there is a good deal of truth to it and he is not lying about something that two people namely Ryan and Braga could easily deny.

At the bottom, no matter who had the idea of this romance (though I keep thinking that it is Beltran - even if Ryan didn't jib to pursue the charade*!- -> cf to numerous articles/interviews made by Ryan & Beltran, including this one :"Robert Beltran's "Erroneous" Love-match"**, in the eyes of the different shipping J/C, S/D, J/P, etc...).

* Since the airing of Endgame in 2001, each seems to blame the other one (in posing as victim, by the way), to have implanted this idea of a possible rapprochement C/7 in the head of producers and script writers -> what appeared like something fun from their point of view at this time, a kiss or 2, ended in a romance in which nobody - or almost - believed in and what frustrated a lot of shippers (J/C, 7/the Doctor,, J/P and worst C/7 themselves, who would have preferred something more authentic.
** (Trek Today - http://www.trektoday.com/news/220201_04.shtm)

Why?
1) as well the abruptness of this interraction fitted Seven's personality, as well, it didn't fit Chakotay's at all. Even if I'm not crazy of this character, the guy seemed to be someone who is ready to put a lot when he is in love (it is certainly for this reason that, he often finished to be the fall guy!) and take his time, while in Seven's mind, it was just an experience, surely pleasant the time the romance would have lasted, to live to totally regain her humanity.

2) there was zero chemistry between the actors -> they looked like the actors following a script that they were -> I always found that Ryan has given to her character of Seven of Nine, a far more genuine expression on her face when it was being cold and aloof. In her scenes with Beltran in Endgame, I didn't sense that she did much acting then ... As for Beltran, he seemed more "expressive"/inspired (if it is possible to use these terms when we speak about Beltran's acting in Voyager!) in his scenes with Mulgrew, especially when their characters flirted in the first seasons.

Anyway, if somebody erased all the Chakotay/Seven storyline from the last episodes of season 7, it wouldn't make a big difference at all for me!

I keep hearing of a deleted scene in VOYAGER where Kathryn has a Chak Attack and actually kisses Chakotay of her own volition in a way that suggests fans should hold out hope for these two ...

It's strange that this famous deleted scene, if it really exists, wasn't released since the end of ST:Voyager, already 15 years ago, at less in the DVD box of the season 7. Who knows, maybe CBS & Universal will propose some new "behind the scenes" & deleted scenes in a next edition... .
 
At the bottom, no matter who had the idea of this romance (though I keep thinking that it is Beltran - even if Ryan didn't jib to pursue the charade*!- -> cf to numerous articles/interviews made by Ryan & Beltran, including this one :"Robert Beltran's "Erroneous" Love-match"**, in the eyes of the different shipping J/C, S/D, J/P, etc...).

* Since the airing of Endgame in 2001, each seems to blame the other one (in posing as victim, by the way), to have implanted this idea of a possible rapprochement C/7 in the head of producers and script writers -> what appeared like something fun from their point of view at this time, a kiss or 2, ended in a romance in which nobody - or almost - believed in and what frustrated a lot of shippers (J/C, 7/the Doctor,, J/P and worst C/7 themselves, who would have preferred something more authentic.
** (Trek Today - http://www.trektoday.com/news/220201_04.shtm)

Why?
1) as well the abruptness of this interraction fitted Seven's personality, as well, it didn't fit Chakotay's at all. Even if I'm not crazy of this character, the guy seemed to be someone who is ready to put a lot when he is in love (it is certainly for this reason that, he often finished to be the fall guy!) and take his time, while in Seven's mind, it was just an experience, surely pleasant the time the romance would have lasted, to live to totally regain her humanity.

2) there was zero chemistry between the actors -> they looked like the actors following a script that they were -> I always found that Ryan has given to her character of Seven of Nine, a far more genuine expression on her face when it was being cold and aloof. In her scenes with Beltran in Endgame, I didn't sense that she did much acting then ... As for Beltran, he seemed more "expressive"/inspired (if it is possible to use these terms when we speak about Beltran's acting in Voyager!) in his scenes with Mulgrew, especially when their characters flirted in the first seasons.

Anyway, if somebody erased all the Chakotay/Seven storyline from the last episodes of season 7, it wouldn't make a big difference at all for me!



It's strange that this famous deleted scene, if it really exists, wasn't released since the end of ST:Voyager, already 15 years ago, at less in the DVD box of the season 7. Who knows, maybe CBS & Universal will propose some new "behind the scenes" & deleted scenes in a next edition... .
NO deleted scenes have been released sadly
 
I read that Janeway and Chakotay were supposed to kiss in "Resolutions", you know the reference episode of all J/Cers, where the characters were so close to take the plunge (to kiss / to have sex for the first time) BUT did nothing because ... well, Eva/Kathryn was much more interested by a monkey than by her Adam/Chakotay! :lol:
-> come on, Chak, you had your Garden of Eden on this unknown planet, why did choose to build a bathtub for your Kathryn while you just had to go in search of an apple tree and a snake which would hang around, before throwing you in your loving parade?! Pffft. This guy lives in 24th centuries but he doesn't even know his classics! :devil:
 
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