The character took until It's Only a Paper Moon and Badda Bing Badda Bang to warm towards for me. I always enjoyed his music though because it was so different to the classical music used to score episodes with, or say Riker's fascination with Jazz.
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Vic as a 'person' is very likeable and charming, but I always questioned his presence on the show. I just don't think he was really needed or 'fit in' there. Maybe as a one-off in a holodeck episode, but not as a recurring character.
I always wondered what Quark thought essentially having a competing bar running on his own holosuite (though his viewpoint probably softened a bit after Nog's stay there).
I always wondered what Quark thought essentially having a competing bar running on his own holosuite (though his viewpoint probably softened a bit after Nog's stay there).
Some Vic stories are a little strained. When Worf breaks everything in Vic's bar, that seems like a big deal, even though it could be repaired in about one sec. normally, unless the programmer had put some restrictions there. But it's never clearly said. I just thought it was an absurd plot point.
"Computer, reset simulation". Done.
Exactly, sometimes you have to wonder.
I think it worked once they figured out how to use him. He becomes the station's counsellor, effectively. And this interaction with a holodeck character is much more believable than having actual romances with them, or them going crazy and somehow seizing control of the ship.
If you get rid of Pinocchio syndrome, is there much left of the character?
Vic was encroaching on Ezri's territory and probably having more success than her with some of the patients. Ezri wouldn't know what to say to someone like Odo who wanted to seduce Kira.
Enjoying the thread. I am doing my own rewatch for Discovery (order: DS9, TNG, VOY, ENT (in season 4 now), TOS, TAS) and am enjoying a new-comer's perspective.
Couple of comments on Vic and Insurrection.
First Vic: not always my favorite element, but I liked his inclusion overall. My only dislike point is probably "Badda Bing, Badda Bang". I like the episode overall, but 1) though fun, it feels entirely unnecessary to have an entire Vic episode, and 2) why is this the only time in Star Trek (that I can think of) that a character (in this case Sisko) objects to something because of racism that occurred 400 years earlier)? Yeah, it is important to Sisko because of his ethnicity and his attachment to his culture, but it has always just felt out of place for the 24th century. Does Bashir refuse to fight in the Sikh War in a holosuite with O'Brien because of hang-ups about British Occupation of India? I guess O'Brien would probably refuse to play an Englishman during a period of control over Ireland, but that's O'Brien.
Insurrection.
First, the Baku moved to that planet long ago and have created their new low-tech culture there. It doesn't matter that they weren't native, that is still their culture/world. The Federation couldn't go to a Cardassian colony and kick everyone off just cause they didn't originate there. The colony in "Journey's End" was a Federation colony and thus directly under the authority of the Federation and required by the new treaty to be relocated. This is the difference between eminently domain-ing some houses in, say, Detroit to give back to Canada due to a treaty negotiation, versus the U.S. Calvalry kicking a bunch of Native Americans off their land because they won't share their buffalo herds and river/land. Also, the Sona were just greedy bastards, they just wanted to punish their "parents" for getting kicked out - the best way they could do this was to destroy their parent's home - the "paradise" they were kicked out of. The Federation could have developed the medical benefits through longer-term, non-destructive research of the radiation - the Sona just claimed they couldn't wait.
Couple of comments on Vic and Insurrection.
First Vic: not always my favorite element, but I liked his inclusion overall. My only dislike point is probably "Badda Bing, Badda Bang". I like the episode overall, but 1) though fun, it feels entirely unnecessary to have an entire Vic episode, and 2) why is this the only time in Star Trek (that I can think of) that a character (in this case Sisko) objects to something because of racism that occurred 400 years earlier)? Yeah, it is important to Sisko because of his ethnicity and his attachment to his culture, but it has always just felt out of place for the 24th century. Does Bashir refuse to fight in the Sikh War in a holosuite with O'Brien because of hang-ups about British Occupation of India? I guess O'Brien would probably refuse to play an Englishman during a period of control over Ireland, but that's O'Brien.
Insurrection.
First, the Baku moved to that planet long ago and have created their new low-tech culture there. It doesn't matter that they weren't native, that is still their culture/world. The Federation couldn't go to a Cardassian colony and kick everyone off just cause they didn't originate there. The colony in "Journey's End" was a Federation colony and thus directly under the authority of the Federation and required by the new treaty to be relocated. This is the difference between eminently domain-ing some houses in, say, Detroit to give back to Canada due to a treaty negotiation, versus the U.S. Calvalry kicking a bunch of Native Americans off their land because they won't share their buffalo herds and river/land. Also, the Sona were just greedy bastards, they just wanted to punish their "parents" for getting kicked out - the best way they could do this was to destroy their parent's home - the "paradise" they were kicked out of. The Federation could have developed the medical benefits through longer-term, non-destructive research of the radiation - the Sona just claimed they couldn't wait.
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Yeah they were easily the best two. I also liked B'Elanna, and Janeway on her good days.
I always liked that one. It cleverly embraces the absurdity and runs with it. Just a ton of fun. And Kate Mulgrew was clearly having a blast with it.
I think the episode is ok, but I get a huge chuckle over Tom picking Janeway over Seven, contrary to most expectations.
I always find it average when I rewatch. There are certainly quite a few laughs, and it looks great. I think the episode could have done well to take itself less seriously, perhaps like Our Man Bashir?
'Cause it was OBVIOUSLY written by HUMAN writers to appeal to a HUMAN audience. And Earth is the HEART of the Federation, where they all went to Starfleet Academy and ultimately forgot about their own ACTUAL homes for...[/I really wish there existed a sarcasm font]
Because shitty writers. Occam's razor.
Because shitty writers. Occam's razor.
You could do the eye rolling smiley.
Because it would take too long to stop at every planet on the way back to drop people off...
Earth isn't the last planet. It's like offering someone a ride home, then kicking them out of the car when you get as far as your place. I bet half the crew was bitching about Terrans at the San Fransisco Space Bus Terminal waiting on that last stretch home.
They have to have a destination point, and Earth is Starfleet HQ. They're not going drop everyone off at their house like a school bus...that's not how the (not-)military works.
Plus, wouldn't any crew in Starfleet have to be debriefed (or whatever you call it) before they could take their leave time. Whether it's on Earth or somewhere else.
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