I think he was referring to the face stretching that the audience had to go through to withstand watching the movie all the way through.
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I think he was referring to the face stretching that the audience had to go through to withstand watching the movie all the way through.
INS was a much shorter movie than NEM so the audience suffered for a shorter time.
IMO, Data, like usual, was trying to emulate the behavior of others.
I thought Riker commenting that his own freshly shaved face being as smooth as an android's bottom was funny myself (does anyone want to speculate on how he would know
). And then Data feeling Riker's face and shaking his head no.
God, they're all blending together in my head!!
When I watched INS, I was distracted because I was sure I had seen the guy playing the bad guy somewhere (in spite of his heavy make up) and it kept me thinking for half of the movie, at which point I realized that it was the same guy who played Salieri in Amadeus. How the mighty have fallen!
It makes as much sense as anything Data does.
A certain kind of TNG fan hates that joke (cos there's no sex in Star Trek, dammit!), but I think it's underrated. The basis of it is actually in those key DS9 scenes (usually involving Quark) in which the Federation's lofty principles are treated with ... a certain irony; in this case the Trekker ideal that women of the future are too pure to be aware of their own anatomy. Then Data tries to make conversation and makes the usual social faux pas, and the capper is that we are forced to contemplate Worf's boobs, which I imagine would be lobster-like, and very firm. No, that's not really the joke, but mocking Worf is always fun, and that's the joke.I think the problem is Data himself, he's just incapable of being part of anything funny. These's something about his constant awkwardness that is just plain annoying and not funny at all. Children sometimes say stuff like he does but when they do it sounds a great deal more natural and that's why it's sometimes mildly amusing and funny even. No such luck with Data.It makes as much sense as anything Data does.
That's something that always broke my heart with all of the TNG shows. The fashion design for TOS was by and large outstanding. Yes it had some now dated SF tropes. But mixed in there were some truly stunning and gorgeous pieces. Especially some of the gowns and costumes worn by various female guest stars. For TNG the fashion design aesthetic became "unisex burlap" mixed with a healthy dose of Grandma's Upholstery. I mean Ferengi outfits are supposed to be garish, but in the TNG era they actually come off as a mixture of "the norm" and in some cases "the only bright spot of color in non uniforms".
That post reminded me of this, which I saw a while back:
I certainly agree that things got a lot more drab looking in the 24th century. Maybe it was just the fashion (on all known planets in the galaxy) at the time, just as bright 60s kitsch outfits and sideboob were in the 23rd?
One of the ideas behind Vic is that he's a hologram who knows he's a hologram, and doesn't make a big shit about it.
Yes, very different from Voyager's holograms. First there's the doctor constantly seeking to be more than what he's been designed to be, opera singer, lover, he gest the mobile emitter, ECH, Holonovel Author... Then there are those stories of holograms murdering the crew, revolting, and finally trying to start a civilization of their own.
Yeah, it's a bit different to the EMH who was felt like he had to fight for his freedom at times.
I quite like Vic. He knows what he is, which makes him more homely as a host. The crew can be honest with him and vice versa. It's Only a Paper Moon is an excellent episode and probably his high point, and I just love how poor Nog has developed along the way.
I quite like Vic. He knows what he is, which makes him more homely as a host. The crew can be honest with him and vice versa. It's Only a Paper Moon is an excellent episode and probably his high point, and I just love how poor Nog has developed along the way.
Worf is an exception as he never seemed like he liked him or considered him as anything more than a program. He wasn't part of the team that helped Vic retrieve his bar. Sisko at first didn't want ot either but Cassidy managed to convince him (maybe the prospect of having to sleep on the couch for the next few weeks is what finally swayed him.
). Anyway Worf is the one that remained a stick in the mud about it.
I'm no fan of the Vegas setting (which seemed like an attempt to replace Bashir's secret agent program). I'm no fan of Sinatra-esque singing (so much legato in Jazz doesn't work, IMO). And I'm generally not a fan of the holodeck.
All that said, Vic is acceptable. He provided some texture to the later episodes as well as contrast to the main characters. More often than not, it seemed like "a trip to Vic's" was more of a release than escapism, allowing the tension of the episodes to be drawn down without being neglected.
All that said, Vic is acceptable. He provided some texture to the later episodes as well as contrast to the main characters. More often than not, it seemed like "a trip to Vic's" was more of a release than escapism, allowing the tension of the episodes to be drawn down without being neglected.
I agree It's Only a Paper Moon is really THE episode that makes good use of Vic, in the others though, his interventions are sort of meh. And the one with Odo pretending to play the piano is just awful.
Worf is an exception as he never seemed like he liked him or considered him as anything more than a program. He wasn't part of the team that helped Vic retrieve his bar. Sisko at first didn't want ot either but Cassidy managed to convince him (maybe the prospect of having to sleep on the couch for the next few weeks is what finally swayed him.
Worf's lack of helping is less a character defining moment, and more "we need that character somewhere else!" After you see Worf at the beginning of the episode he wanders off to visit the Enterprise for Insurrection. On the plus side of things when he comes back his boobs are much firmer and Perkier
I don't buy that. He was there to begin with making it clear that he wouldn't help.
Technically yes, but that was more the vaguaries of release schedules for Hollywood movies having to find an "opening weekend". The only point on DS9 Season 7 where Worf can and does wander off for his "leave" to visit the Enterprise starts after those initial scenes. That's the point where Worf is gone for an episode or two. And it also fits in thematically. That is the point where we are in a lull in the war. A period of rest and reflection before moving on to the hard part. That's when you would expect him to take leave to visit old friends or family. (except his son... because who would want to do that. Wil Riker and Geordi are way more fun to hand out with than that loser!)
also note that Insurrection is unique among the Star Trek movies as it never lists a Stardate or any clear chronological reference. The only way to precisely socket it into things is to watch Worf, or observe and measure the droop of Beverly's Boobs. (Much like measuring tree rings for climate change!)
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