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^ Incorrect. Gene wrote the whole novel himself. ADF wrote the storyline of the film, but the actual novelization was all Gene's. Every last word of it. (And it shows.)
 
TMP, TWOK, TNG, Enterprise and nuTrek are all reboots to one degree or another - some more thorough than others.
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I agree - TNG was a truly massive retcon of almost everything in the Star trek Universe that had existed before it aired in 1987. ;)
 
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I agree - TNG was a truly massive retcon of almost everything in the Star trek Universe that had existed before it aired in 1987. ;)
Reboot to me says no continuity survives. Soft reboot means huge chucks of story continuity are no longer canon, but some of it still is, usually the core or essence of the property.

But the TNG era shows worked hard to preserve previous continuity, story and events only at first, and then even design later. They preserved the structure of storytelling and paid tribute to the history of Trek to a significant degree, while further expanding the universe of Trek. That can't be called a reboot unless I'm misunderstanding the definition.

Maybe DSC will be a soft reboot since they are the first of this new TV era.
 
TMP was a retcon (meaning everything before the movies really looked kind of like the movies, and not an episode of Batman '66.) and probably was intended as a full reboot until they returned the source material by the second film.
 
However the Defiant was a Prime timeline ship sent into the Mirror universe.

Are we sure? It could have been an alternate prime-verse version of the Defiant. Remember in TOS when Kirk was beamed back from interphase and talked about 'having a whole universe to himself?' That doesn't sound much like the Enterprise-verse complete with Tholians and asteroid bases.
 
Are we sure? It could have been an alternate prime-verse version of the Defiant. Remember in TOS when Kirk was beamed back from interphase and talked about 'having a whole universe to himself?' That doesn't sound much like the Enterprise-verse complete with Tholians and asteroid bases.
Unless the Tholians found the Defiant later on.
 
In The Tholian Web, you can see the Enterprise patch on some of the dead Defiant crewmembers, albeit not very clearly. It's odd that they didn't change it in TOS-R to the Defiant patch from Enterprise.
 
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TMP, TWOK, TNG, Enterprise and nuTrek are all reboots to one degree or another - some more thorough than others.

A continuation is not a reboot, just time passing. TWOK I would grant has reboot tendencies, the rest....even enterprise...not so much. NuTrek is a reboot, but they try to give it wriggle room to not be. TNG is very explicitly not a reboot...same creative team and one guest cast member in the pilot show it as a continuation. TMP is not a reboot either for the same reasons, the only thing that is rebooted in that is the look of the Klingons. Everything else is just time passing.
Otherwise you could argue Trek was rebooted about three times in its first year or so, what with essentially three or four pilot episodes, one with an almost totally different cast.
The reality is every single version of Trek recognises its own continuity and history within the story itself, and therefore isn't a reboot or redux or reimagining by definition....even the Kelvinverse hung on for dear life by virtue of the story and Nimoy in 2009. The move back away from reboots now showing, that turns out to be a wise choice. It means, like Doctor Who, it can have its fiftieth anniversary in an honest manner. Which is a good thing. One does not celebrate ones first wedding anniversary if there has been a divorce and a second spouse in the meantime after all. Triggers broom syndrome.
 
In The Tholian Web, you can see the Enterprise patch on some of the dead Defiant crewmembers, albeit not very clearly. It's odd that they didn't change it in TOS-R to the Defiant patch from Enterprise.
Well, in actual production, GR didn't want each ship to have it's own individual patch. There is a memo out there from one of the producers that stated that the individual patch that had been seen before was a production error.

As much as I like each ship having its own patch, that wasn't original intent.
 
Unless the Tholians found the Defiant later on.

I think the point was that the universe into which Kirk and the Defiant vanished was an empty one- a 'null space' with no matter, light, or anything else. That would mean it couldn't be the Enterprise mirror-verse.

However, since there are infinite quantum universes (as shown in TNG's 'Parallels'), it's possible that a near-inifinite number of USS Defiants went through interphase and emerged in a near infinite number of parallel universes. Which would explain why in TOS the Defiant crewmembers wore the same patch as the Enterprise crewmembers, but the Enterprise mirror-verse Defiant's crewmembers wore a different patch.

Of course, ALL of this is nothing but a way of explaining away production and/or continuity errors in various works of fiction. ;)
 
It's also possible that the Defiant did end up in the null universe initially and was later (or earlier depending on our perspective) sucked into the mirror universe
 
A continuation is not a reboot, just time passing. TWOK I would grant has reboot tendencies, the rest....even enterprise...not so much. NuTrek is a reboot, but they try to give it wriggle room to not be. TNG is very explicitly not a reboot...same creative team and one guest cast member in the pilot show it as a continuation. TMP is not a reboot either for the same reasons, the only thing that is rebooted in that is the look of the Klingons. Everything else is just time passing.
Otherwise you could argue Trek was rebooted about three times in its first year or so, what with essentially three or four pilot episodes, one with an almost totally different cast.
The reality is every single version of Trek recognises its own continuity and history within the story itself, and therefore isn't a reboot or redux or reimagining by definition....even the Kelvinverse hung on for dear life by virtue of the story and Nimoy in 2009. The move back away from reboots now showing, that turns out to be a wise choice. It means, like Doctor Who, it can have its fiftieth anniversary in an honest manner. Which is a good thing. One does not celebrate ones first wedding anniversary if there has been a divorce and a second spouse in the meantime after all. Triggers broom syndrome.

In industry terms, the Trek franchise most certainly has been rebooted a number of times.

TMP and TNG are the clearest examples of new productions that essentially ignored the details of previous Trek in order to present their own new and shiny depictions of the Trek concept, which were then supposed to be the current and "correct" version of the Trek universe, while using the conceit that some time had passed in-universe in order to handwave away all the arbitrary changes.

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I think the point was that the universe into which Kirk and the Defiant vanished was an empty one- a 'null space' with no matter, light, or anything else. That would mean it couldn't be the Enterprise mirror-verse.

However, since there are infinite quantum universes (as shown in TNG's 'Parallels'), it's possible that a near-inifinite number of USS Defiants went through interphase and emerged in a near infinite number of parallel universes. Which would explain why in TOS the Defiant crewmembers wore the same patch as the Enterprise crewmembers, but the Enterprise mirror-verse Defiant's crewmembers wore a different patch.

Of course, ALL of this is nothing but a way of explaining away production and/or continuity errors in various works of fiction. ;)
I always took it that Kirk was in the void between universes, which is why he was able to be seen by the crew on the Enterprise. The Defiant emerged in to the Mirror universe after Kirk was rescued. This is further evidenced by the Void ship in Doctor Who, which discusses the concept of the space between dimensions. Since Doctor Who appeared in a TNG comic strip, we can take that as the reason for the interphase, as well as the unsettling feeling that leads to madness.
 
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