Who sent him there?
Rewatching Voyager
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Who sent him there?
It's a dream episode. I don't like dream episodes. I didn't like Remember. (hides from Thomas and everyone else who loves it).
That's okay - each to their own. I like all VOY episodes except FURY and I don't mind if people love that one.
I like REMEMBER because it really shows the courage you need to tell the truth about something horrible that was once very real for someone who has been harbouring it all her life. I actually admired B'Elanna for having the courage to go on with the dream. She had no idea what she was letting herself in for, the whole thing could have ended a lot more tragically. So she was brave on both occasions, first when she let the dream continue, second when she told them what she had learned in the dream in front of everyone.
Can you imagine Harry doing the same thing? Doubtful.
I also liked how she was struggling with her loyalty to "her father" and to "her boyfriend".
Of course he isn't. I couldn't fall in love with an angel - I need a very real flesh and blood boy for that ...
And let's not forget about good-looking here ... 
His appeal to me is in no small part the fact that when he behaves the way that would be very uncharacteristic of angels, he normally has very good reasons to do so. My experience shows that in real life people behave in lot worse ways than Tom does although they don't have half as much a psychological burden to cope with as he has. That alone makes him very human in my eyes in addition to a lot of other good qualities he has.Live long and prosper, Flyboy!
In Remember I thought 'she' or the person B'Elanna
was representing was too quick to believe her father.
And to me, it was another version of 'mind rape'. You don't go into some person's mind against their will, or without their consent, a problem a lot of people had with Memorial.
Did you know that episode was left over from TNG? It was originally meant to be a Deanna Troi episode. The first time I saw it I thought B'Elanna was acting a little out of character and after I learned that it made more sense. I could easily see Deanna playing that role.
was representing was too quick to believe her father.
And to me, it was another version of 'mind rape'. You don't go into some person's mind against their will, or without their consent, a problem a lot of people had with Memorial.
Did you know that episode was left over from TNG? It was originally meant to be a Deanna Troi episode. The first time I saw it I thought B'Elanna was acting a little out of character and after I learned that it made more sense. I could easily see Deanna playing that role.
That might be true but B'Elanna didn't seem to have taken offence at that or anything. In fact, it seemed that she was rather willing to get involved, she would have gone down to the planet to look for evidence. So I don't think she felt her mind had been abused. And when Jora Mirell (sp.?) died, B'Elanna looked like she thought she was trying to fulfill a dead person's last wish, which seemed important to her. A lot more than contemplating the ethical repercussions of forced telepathy. Had I been in her place, I guess I would have felt the same - even though I wouldn't want a person to read my mind against my wishes. Mind you, JM wasn't doing that, she didn't seem to be searching for personal secrets in B'Elanna's mind. She just couldn't bear to harbour any more what had happened decades before and like B'Elanna herself stated she had just told her the truth.
Maybe I'm wrong but I think that, what disturbed/surprised us most - in any case, it was my case - in Thirty Days, is the fact that what Tom was about to do, wasn't worse or less grave than what Chakotay, Torres/Tuvok Seven, Kim, the Doctor and even, Janeway herself*, have done before when they broke the given orders (insubordination and/or violated the principles of Prime Directive), but their punishments - when there was one! - were never so severe (a more or less severe reprimand, a relief of his/her duty or a confinement in their quarters for a brief time, while sometimes, they put directly the vessel and her crew in danger!) than what Paris has had to endure. As a reminder, Paris escaped the death (Janeway has ordered Kim to fire at the shuttle piloted by Paris), to find himself degraded from Lieutenant Junior Grade to Enseign and locked for 30 days in Voyager's brig -> we can suppose that Janeway was lucky that Voyager wasn't victim of an attack during this period!
Anyway, that the impetuous Tom Paris deserves to be sanctioned, yes, that the penalty is double and even triple (he could have been hurt), no.
*(from Caretaker, while she is ordered to find a missing Maquis ship and arrest its occupants, she ends up to ntegrate the Maquis crew into the Starfleet crew, with Chakotay, their leader, as her First Officer & second-in-command and B'Elanna Torres as the chief engineer = insubordination and fraternization with the rebels ; she opts to respect the Caretaker's wishes in ordering the destruction of the array to prevent the technology from falling into the hands of the Kazon = a direct violation of Prime Directive),
Anyway, that the impetuous Tom Paris deserves to be sanctioned, yes, that the penalty is double and even triple (he could have been hurt), no.
*(from Caretaker, while she is ordered to find a missing Maquis ship and arrest its occupants, she ends up to ntegrate the Maquis crew into the Starfleet crew, with Chakotay, their leader, as her First Officer & second-in-command and B'Elanna Torres as the chief engineer = insubordination and fraternization with the rebels ; she opts to respect the Caretaker's wishes in ordering the destruction of the array to prevent the technology from falling into the hands of the Kazon = a direct violation of Prime Directive),
Which episode are you talking about?
This was addressed in Remember. The aliens (sorry forgot their names) said a couple of times they don't share memories without permission. The leader even apologized for sharing his musical memories with Janeway
Wasn't the point of that episode about Propaganda and being quick to believe what was going on. I actually find it realistic, especially when you look at today's political climate and see how easy people believe or don't believe in something. Also, the daughter was in her teens, if I recall, so it would be easy to believe her father over someone else.
Tinker Tenor Doctor Spy
This episode is just a whole lot of fun. We got to meet the pig people, whose hiararcy always agrees or approves everything, and Picardo was great in the daydream sequence. So many great moments in this one, from the ECH being activated for the first time, to my favorite sequence, the Warp Core Breach. I wonder if Majel Barrett enjoyed the fact that as the computer voice, she got to be funny with the "A lot sooner than you think" and "you're running out of time doctor, get going".
Anyway, I also liked how this episode ended, with the daydream having to become the reality. Loved the Doctor's bluff with the photonic cannon. Basically everything about this episode was a whole lot of fun.
This episode is just a whole lot of fun. We got to meet the pig people, whose hiararcy always agrees or approves everything, and Picardo was great in the daydream sequence. So many great moments in this one, from the ECH being activated for the first time, to my favorite sequence, the Warp Core Breach. I wonder if Majel Barrett enjoyed the fact that as the computer voice, she got to be funny with the "A lot sooner than you think" and "you're running out of time doctor, get going".
Anyway, I also liked how this episode ended, with the daydream having to become the reality. Loved the Doctor's bluff with the photonic cannon. Basically everything about this episode was a whole lot of fun.
Yeah, Riker was a bit of a bully too. Not hesitating to intrude upon someone's private fantasy, going as far as wanting to delete it! Though not surprising from someone who killed his own clone, which all things considered is even worse than murdering a brother!
I was never a big fan of Riker's. I didn't hate him and he had his moments but I never understood what all the fuss was about.
What fuss are you referring to?
Certain fans thinking he could do no wrong and that he was so good looking. This was back in the day when the show was airing.
I see. I missed that, fortunately.
I liked Riker but there are times when he was unprofessional. He was probably my second least favorite first officer, maybe.
Who's the first?
Least favorite?
Chakotay. I just wish he had done more.
Favorite was Major Kira, of course.
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