Spoilers Star Trek:Discovery Uniforms Sneak Peak

[RJDiogenes]

Which is a shame, because I liked the idea that each ship had its own mission patch.

Others think they're simply sexist and are just an attempt by producers to cater to male viewer libidos and serve no other purpose than that.

That always cracks me up because the miniskirts were a symbol of Women's Lib. I think it was Nichelle Nichols who suggested them. How times have changed.

 

[T'Bonz]

^ Not to all women. We wore them, but the only thing they liberated for us was our backsides if we weren't careful.

Liberation to me meant NOT being told "you can't do this because you're a girl," not showing my underwear to all and sundry if I wasn't careful.

 

[Jesse1066]

Somebody asked me to do more muted colors. Are these muted enough?

By the way, since this whole skirt discussion started with a picture I posted, I personally feel that there is no disadvantage to having a modest length skirt available as an option. Those who aren't comfortable with it can wear pants. Obviously, pants would be preferable in situations that may involve combat (or zero gravity), but a skirt would be perfectly suitable most of the time. To me, it makes sense to have a choice.

 

[RJDiogenes]

^ Not to all women. We wore them, but the only thing they liberated for us was our backsides if we weren't careful.

Liberation to me meant NOT being told "you can't do this because you're a girl," not showing my underwear to all and sundry if I wasn't careful.

Of course liberation means not being told what to do because you're a girl. That was the point. That's why the miniskirt was a symbol of the physical and sexual freedom that the religious patriarchy had suppressed. Women's Lib, like most Feminist movements throughout history, was about social, financial, and sexual equality.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Did they call it Woman's Lib, because it rhymed with Adam's Rib?

 

[RJDiogenes]

No, I think it was just an ad lib.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Given it was the 60s, shouldn't that be a Mad Men Lib?

 

[T'Bonz]

Of course liberation means not being told what to do because you're a girl. That was the point. That's why the miniskirt was a symbol of the physical and sexual freedom that the religious patriarchy had suppressed. Women's Lib, like most Feminist movements throughout history, was about social, financial, and sexual equality.

You're missing the point. For many of us, showing our legs/asses was NOT liberation. It was men designing the fashions for us to wear. There were few alternatives at one point. It was mini or mini. Women couldn't wear pants to work/school until the 1970s at various points in time.

To me, a symbol of liberation was being allowed to wear comfortable pants if I wanted and not being obliged to wear dresses (and double that with short dresses) because "girls have to wear dresses."

Of course some women found minis liberating, but not all of us. Personally, I was thrilled when I could jettison dresses, slips, pantyhose and heels and could rock a pair of jeans and flats. Ahhh...comfort and practicality.

And one could still be sexy without a mini, if being sexy was required of being liberated.

 

[Gov Kodos]

if being sexy was required of being liberated.

Being sexy isn't a requirement of feminism and liberation? I'm shocked, shocked!

 

[fireproof78]

Being sexy isn't a requirement of feminism and liberation? I'm shocked, shocked!

I'm not. I read it in Cosmo

 

[RJDiogenes]

You're missing the point. For many of us, showing our legs/asses was NOT liberation. It was men designing the fashions for us to wear. There were few alternatives at one point. It was mini or mini. Women couldn't wear pants to work/school until the 1970s at various points in time.

To me, a symbol of liberation was being allowed to wear comfortable pants if I wanted and not being obliged to wear dresses (and double that with short dresses) because "girls have to wear dresses."

Of course some women found minis liberating, but not all of us. Personally, I was thrilled when I could jettison dresses, slips, pantyhose and heels and could rock a pair of jeans and flats. Ahhh...comfort and practicality.

And one could still be sexy without a mini, if being sexy was required of being liberated.

That's fine. Everybody should do what they like, not what other people like-- that's what liberation means. Nevertheless, the miniskirt was a symbol of Women's Lib at that time and that's why it was incorporated into the Trek uniforms (again, I think at Nichelle Nichols' suggestion). And I believe it was a female designer who took credit for the mini-- or at least the 60s version, since it existed previously here and there throughout history.

 

[OpenMaw]

Well, i'm sure enough budget exists for both skirts and pants. There's nothing wrong with showing off legs. It's not necessarily a sign that those evil men are at it again. We can have both, now.

Split the difference and have the nu-movie style skirts, which aren't nearly as "mini" as the ones we saw in TOS, and then also have the pants version. Though with the female skirt version i'd prefer they keep the arms the same length as the regular duty shirts. The sleeveless skirt in the JJ films didn't look good to me.

 

[ancient]

The other advantage of skirts & variant uniforms is that it breaks up the visual monotony. The last few seasons of DS9 had the especially visually boring TNG movie uniforms.

 

[mdtauk]

If men and women will have different uniforms, we should see both sexes wearing each others.

 

[ancient]

Men have this little problem with 'dangling bits' that makes for an unfortunate spread-legs situation that wouldn't mix well with a skirt in polite company but some sort of casual shorts-based uniform would be a good substitute.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

If men and women will have different uniforms, we should see both sexes wearing each others.

They tried that (with men's mini skirts) in the first season of TNG. It didn't look good back then, I doubt they can make it look good now.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Ze44afnjY...-A/s1600/Enterprise-D_lieutenant_in_skant.jpg

 

[mdtauk]

They tried that (with men's mini skirts) in the first season of TNG. It didn't look good back then, I doubt they can make it look good now.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Ze44afnjY...-A/s1600/Enterprise-D_lieutenant_in_skant.jpg

I'd rather they ditch the catsuits and the mini-skirts all together. Avoid the double standards.

 

[Jedi_Master]

You're missing the point. For many of us, showing our legs/asses was NOT liberation. It was men designing the fashions for us to wear. There were few alternatives at one point. It was mini or mini. Women couldn't wear pants to work/school until the 1970s at various points in time.

To me, a symbol of liberation was being allowed to wear comfortable pants if I wanted and not being obliged to wear dresses (and double that with short dresses) because "girls have to wear dresses."

Of course some women found minis liberating, but not all of us. Personally, I was thrilled when I could jettison dresses, slips, pantyhose and heels and could rock a pair of jeans and flats. Ahhh...comfort and practicality.

And one could still be sexy without a mini, if being sexy was required of being liberated.

My grandmother always talked about the first day she could wear pants to work. It was a big moment for her.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

I'd rather they ditch the catsuits and the mini-skirts all together. Avoid the double standards.

Although my heart aches that we won't see the likes of these again …

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/uploads/MichaelTodd/2012-12-17_003227_skirt.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/49/4d/26/494d26b8e69553f05bf705a69066aba5.jpg

…I must agree with you in principle.

 

[ancient]

I'd rather they ditch the catsuits and the mini-skirts all together. Avoid the double standards.

If you really want to avoid double standards, we have to deal with bra-less Dr. Crusher.