It's cool, but it looks like the Wonder Woman logo.
Spoilers Star Trek:Discovery Uniforms Sneak Peak
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Odd observation of the day, but I've noticed a lot of female players in games - particularly STO - enjoy the skirts. My wife included, who's asked me to make her a Trek uniform, but only if she can have skirt options. A lot of female friends enjoy being able to wear dresses and skirts to work. Not all of them, but a fair amount.
With Starfleet being a less military orginisation (though even militaries have skirt options), if someone wants to wear a dress or a skirt.... why wouldn't they? Would equality become an era where we say "No, dress like the men!" and cut out an option that many feel comfortable and confident in?
I don't think it's worth debating to death. If they want to include dresses, fine. If not, also fine.
The only revision I'd make if they went to TOS for guidance is to use a fabric that maybe doesn't shrink. The hazards of that were seen on both sexes in the 60's - I half expected Kirk's sleeves to stop at his elbows as time went on.
Me too. I've spent far too much time on itRealising my lack of any actual documentation, I've put up notes here with a few pics, but it's more like a mad rambling. Though most of the stuff I put online is actual canon uniforms (for example!) and I can bore people to tears with too much detail on each as I get far too carried away with things
I don't expect anything like my mad scribblings would end up mirroring anything in the real Trek world - but I am hoping that new Trek has a similar level of variation.
TNG had people doing everything from digging a hole to shooting aliens in a formal two piece suit. The Kelvin world had a nice variation - you have your bright and shiny mission outfit, your standard ground wear, formals, industrial/jumpsuit - everything had it's purpose; if a uniform is suitable for one thing, and not for another - change it. Put a coat on. Whatever it takes to make the sequence a bit more believable and visually interesting.
Jumping up a bit to skirts/dresses - having a unisex outfit to fit all, and optional variants (casual mens thing like Kirk had in TMP, casual womens dress/skirt) would make the show a bit more visually interesting than a one size fits all uniform. Which doesn't just help visually (or with believability), but if we go back to action figures (hopefully!) they sell better - and sell more - with variations.
Say the new female lead has her standard uniform, a dress variant, an away jacket, maybe an industrial wear/jumpsuit - thats four styles for TV, four action figures to sell, four costumes for people to wear at cons and possibly four 'moods' to mirror in a scene.
I realise that the skant from TNG Season 1 is widely derided as a style choice, but that's probably due to humanity's less than brilliant 20-21st century mentality. Admittedly it doesn't look good. However I'd like to think that in the Starfleet of the 23rd century (and 24th), not only would women be given a choice of jumpsuit, two-piece or dress, so would the men. I'm not so much thinking of the transgendered argument (which shouldn't be an issue in the Star Trek future with the medical technology available at the time) but their own personal choice.
And who's to say that women can't wear a version of Kirk's casual wrap around?
I'm sure that Starfleet would still have a dress code to make sure that nobody reports for duty in a bikini or pyjamas, but I would imagine that the uniform variants would be the same. After all, we've seen races where the male and females appear very different in appearance to humans. We've seen the J'Naii. Which uniform choices would you give them? What about the Talosians?
^ Better than the skant by miles.
I've seen a few women wearing it - the best version was someone who turned it very nicely into a dress, which matched the design very nicely. Although regardless of the design or who's wearing it - I always find it distracting that everyone else has a patch on their chest, and the captain does not
At some point it is not impossible to think there may be trans-gendered characters. (Alien or Human) Interchangable gendered uniforms could be intermixed. And thinking on it - "forcing" women to wear male tailored uniforms may be seen as a bad thing.
If you think about these issues too closely, it gets confusing lol.
Skirts and Skants. Trousers and Leggings. Let people wear what they want.
If you think about these issues too closely, it gets confusing lol.
Skirts and Skants. Trousers and Leggings. Let people wear what they want.
Not as much confusing as just.... too much thought. There's so much to bring up in such a discussion (even just with the evolving visions of male/female strength and beauty etc) to the intricacies of multi-gendered, multi species thought and philosophy.
Far too much to think about on a Friday morning. Or for a costume department
Primary goal: Design something, make it look good for the purpose it's intended, tweak for cast and move onto the next task.As long as we've eliminated skinny jeans by the 23rd century, we'll be ok
Q was right.
Control the environment, bring on the nudity.
Control the environment, bring on the nudity.
Upside down and on the cuff of a Captain's jacket while squinting, I don't think she would mind terribly for the loan.
Not as much confusing as just.... too much thought. There's so much to bring up in such a discussion (even just with the evolving visions of male/female strength and beauty etc) to the intricacies of multi-gendered, multi species thought and philosophy.
Far too much to think about on a Friday morning. Or for a costume department
LOL very true, but it does make you wonder. What sort of uniform would you give to a member of Species 8472 that theoretically ended up in Starfleet? Or a Teenaxi?
As long as we've eliminated skinny jeans by the 23rd century, we'll be ok
or mankinis.
The comics had a Horta lieutenant as part of the Enterprise crew at one point, so I think variation can be managed.
I have no problem with the women having a skirt variant, and frankly I don't understand ppl being opposed to them on principle. In my office, the women tend to wear skirts a lot, but I can't wear shorts. It's not fair that I gotta sweat this much. Feeeeeeel the sorrow, folks.
There's always been a sentiment among some fans that skirts are inappropriate on a starship. Others think they're simply sexist and are just an attempt by producers to cater to male viewer libidos and serve no other purpose than that.
Well I disagree with both those points.
Most of the positions on a ship are essentially office jobs. Switch to a field uniform for field work, switch to a more comfortable uniform to sit around on the bridge for 8 hours.
The idea that skirts are sexist is frankly silly, stuff like that is based on the old flawed, man vs woman, the sexes are enemies, mentality.
Preaching to the choir, but not everyone feels the same way we do about the subject.
In recent years, it's really better to think of the "Enterprise insignia" as being a "fleet division insignia" as it was worn by personnel from ships other than the Enterprise too--even going back as far as TOS itself.
Yeah, I just watched "Court-Martial" last night, all the personnel from the other Starships we see in the Lounge have the Delta insignia. The Commodore and Lt. Shaw have the Starburst since they are assigned to the Starbase. I go with the First Fleet has the Delta theory, personally.
TO: Bill Theiss
FROM: Bob Justman
SUBJECT: STARSHIP EMBLEMS
DATE: December 18, 1967
Whilst sitting in Dailies today, it was noticed that a Starship Captain (from another Starship) was wearing an emblem unfamiliar to yours truly. I have checked the occurences out with Mr. Roddenberry, who has reassured me that all Starship personnel wear the Starship emblem that we have established for our Enterprise Crew Members to wear.
Doubtless this situation has arisen due to the fact that a different Starship emblem was used last season on “CHARLIE X”. However, the personnel of that other ship in that show were the equivalent of merchant marine or freighter personnel — and therefore not entitled to bear this proud insignia on their individual and collective breasts.
Please do not do anything to correct this understandable mistake in the present episode. However, should we have Starfleet personnel in any other episodes, please make certain that they wear the proper emblem.
Under penalty of death!
Signed this 18th day of December, in the year of our Lord, 1967, by
ROBERT H. JUSTMAN
Chief Inquisitor
CC: Gene Roddenberry
John M. Lucas
D.C. Fontana
Gregg Peters
RHJ:sts
P.S. A carven “I’m sorry!” will be sufficient.
R.H.J.
FROM: Bob Justman
SUBJECT: STARSHIP EMBLEMS
DATE: December 18, 1967
Whilst sitting in Dailies today, it was noticed that a Starship Captain (from another Starship) was wearing an emblem unfamiliar to yours truly. I have checked the occurences out with Mr. Roddenberry, who has reassured me that all Starship personnel wear the Starship emblem that we have established for our Enterprise Crew Members to wear.
Doubtless this situation has arisen due to the fact that a different Starship emblem was used last season on “CHARLIE X”. However, the personnel of that other ship in that show were the equivalent of merchant marine or freighter personnel — and therefore not entitled to bear this proud insignia on their individual and collective breasts.
Please do not do anything to correct this understandable mistake in the present episode. However, should we have Starfleet personnel in any other episodes, please make certain that they wear the proper emblem.
Under penalty of death!
Signed this 18th day of December, in the year of our Lord, 1967, by
ROBERT H. JUSTMAN
Chief Inquisitor
CC: Gene Roddenberry
John M. Lucas
D.C. Fontana
Gregg Peters
RHJ:sts
P.S. A carven “I’m sorry!” will be sufficient.
R.H.J.
The USS Exeter is the situation being addressed in this memo (based on the date), and so the Insignia worn by both Ron Tracey and his CMO are the error being discussed in this note. As for Matt Decker, that one must have slipped under the radar, or more than likely, had been mentioned to Bill casually after the episode had been shot, but as it happened again, this memo and its long list of "CYA" names listed is the "HEY Bill, we talked about this before, knock it off!" letter, which he did. 
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