Sex 'n' violence in Discovery
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And surprisingly daring for the normally "tease but don't show" ST.That was daring... for the 1970's.
Agreed. There's no call for anything like that. It's a family show, first and foremost. I'm not interested in Trek of Thrones.
I haven't seen much Enterprise, but I don't think so. Perhaps the first time in an intimate way, but after first contact and diplomatic relations had been established, I imagine Humans and Vulcans exchanged biological information, which would include "nudity" in a scientific sense.
So I wonder if they've got any noticeable anatomical differences?
That actually brings up an interesting question If they actually do include nudity in the online version could that also include aliens with anatomical differences from humans?
I've thought for a while now that the later Treks were a little too sanitized so welcome a bit more sex and violence. We don't need HBO level stuff, and it needs to be in there for a good reason, but as long as those criteria are met I welcome it. Even thought it was really graphic a times, I thought the approach in Hannibal worked, so I trust Fuller to know how to handle it here.
That actually brings up an interesting question If they actually do include nudity in the online version could that also include aliens with anatomical differences from humans?
I've thought for a while now that the later Treks were a little too sanitized so welcome a bit more sex and violence. We don't need HBO level stuff, and it needs to be in there for a good reason, but as long as those criteria are met I welcome it. Even thought it was really graphic a times, I thought the approach in Hannibal worked, so I trust Fuller to know how to handle it here.
While graphic sex and violence are fine if they serve the story, I also see no reason most of the graphic stuff can't happen off-screen. TNG was a little too sanitary, but after an intense kiss, cutting to a character get dressed while their partner lies in bed is enough to get the message across that they had sex. We don't need to see the thrusting and hear the moaning to tell that part of the story.
I think the recent Trek movies have done it fairly well in terms of the level of sex and violence. They showed Pine rolling around shirtless with a sexy woman, a couple of girls in their panties, and while some shots were clear pandering that I could have done without, in general I think they were family-friendly enough to show to a 10 yr old. Same for violence-- characters getting stabbed, shot or vaporized, some level of blood, but nothing terribly gratuitous. Enough to show that the galaxy isn't a safe place without making you uncomfortable or making you want to turn away at any point.
On the furthest end of the PG-13 spectrum is BSG-- I don't think i'd be showing that to a pre-teen, nor would i be entirely comfortable watching it alongside my teenaged son. I don't think it's inappropriate for a teen certainly, but I'd like Trek to be something I can sit down with my family and not feel uneasy watching with them, even if I approve of it.
A few swears, some violence and a bit of naughtiness are OK. Graphic violence and graphic sex is not. Leave something to the imagination.
I think the recent Trek movies have done it fairly well in terms of the level of sex and violence. They showed Pine rolling around shirtless with a sexy woman, a couple of girls in their panties, and while some shots were clear pandering that I could have done without, in general I think they were family-friendly enough to show to a 10 yr old. Same for violence-- characters getting stabbed, shot or vaporized, some level of blood, but nothing terribly gratuitous. Enough to show that the galaxy isn't a safe place without making you uncomfortable or making you want to turn away at any point.
On the furthest end of the PG-13 spectrum is BSG-- I don't think i'd be showing that to a pre-teen, nor would i be entirely comfortable watching it alongside my teenaged son. I don't think it's inappropriate for a teen certainly, but I'd like Trek to be something I can sit down with my family and not feel uneasy watching with them, even if I approve of it.
A few swears, some violence and a bit of naughtiness are OK. Graphic violence and graphic sex is not. Leave something to the imagination.
Yes, THAT is the kind of sexual content I think Trek can do without (random, meaningless underwear shots in ST09 and STID). I like those movies, but good lord, what 15 year old editor ok'd those scenes in post? Relieved that Beyond moved past that.
I'm not opposed to sex in Star Trek at all. I just want them to present it like adults. Adults who aren't sexist.
That way lies fandom wars that will last generations.
The complaint there was that it was pointless to the story. There was no reason to include it story-wise, only that the director wanted the actress in her underwear on screen.
The linked shots of Trip and T'Pol though a bit gratuitous, at least served the story after a fashion. They were becoming romantic and T'Pol was trying to get Trip into bed.
It's a double-edged sword. I think we're far too buttoned-down as a society and need to loosen up, but having grown up in this society, it's still a tough one to get past, to say nothing of dealing with other people who don't share the same view. And to see something that's a show meant for families edge towards the more graphic isn't something I'm interested in.
I reject your undeclared premise that making things explicit will somehow prevent fandom wars that will last generations.
I don't believe that sex is a sin.
But perhaps the way it's presented makes it positive or negative.
But perhaps the way it's presented makes it positive or negative.
The likeliest scenario is some occasional girl parts that have nothing to do with the plot of the episode. The better to edit them out for eventual OTA broadcast.
As an aside, when I saw that Trip/T'Pol pic, my first thought was: "Have you ever seen a grown Vulcan naked?"
As an aside, when I saw that Trip/T'Pol pic, my first thought was: "Have you ever seen a grown Vulcan naked?"
At least ENT had both genders running around in their underwear. I can't say I don't enjoy the view of Trip but most of the time, it doesn't serve a purpose for the story.
I've never understood the so-called "family friendly" approach to entertainment. To me, "family friendly" means "parents too lazy to teach their kids about reality." I've always taught my daughter to use her brain, the difference between reality and TV, and the fact that reality is frequently worse than what's seen on TV. Protecting kids from reality means they're far less able to deal with it appropriately when the parents are not around.
Oh noes! Not that. Anything but that. Whatever will I do now. No, no, no, no... oh noes!
I think we're going to be seeing plenty of "male gaze" content. I'd be amazed if there wasn't at least one "hot babe" in a catsuit or short skirt or showing cleavage.
