STC Ep. 7: "Embrace The Winds" speculation and discussion....

[urbandefault]

I'm simply adhering to their stated intent. You can't even pretend to maintain that illusion if you keep referring to things that would have been beyond the knowledge of those making TOS back in the day.

TOS would never have made any references to other series and films because those things did not yet exist. And that includes TMP. What GR and the rest thought for the characters a decade later isn't likely to have resembled what they thought a decade earlier when the show was in production.

I love that striving for a sense of authenticity as if we had somehow managed to get a few more episodes from TOS, but every callout to a post TOS production chipped away at whatever sense of authenticity achieved.

Your suspension of disbelief is already challenged by having a different cast along with contemporary language and sensibilities creeping into the writing, but it's further undermined by allowing pointed references to things that simply wouldn't have been on the TOS team's radar.

You can't make a claim to be just like it's 1969 again and yet keep doing things to undermine your stated intent.

Nonetheless STC's record pretty much insures it will be done well.

One of the things I love about TOS is that it stands apart from the rest. It isn't cookie cutter. It's its own thing and untouched by the sensibilities of contemporary Trek of the '80s, '90s and 2000's.

For crying out loud, can you let it go? Mission parameters change, goals are shifted. STC has been consistent in moving forward in the time period they've chosen to inhabit.

The reason TOS didn't reference anything from other eras is that they didn't exist yet. But you know that. Constant complaining about not strictly adhering to the 1969 aesthetic is just that. Complaining.

You've said that you enjoy STC. So do I. But I don't hold them to an impossible standard. They have proven that they are very good at what they do, and I can't think of more than a few nitpicks that might make it better. If you have notes, send them in. I'm sure Vic would welcome your input.

But I wouldn't expect him to change his plans.

 

[Warped9]

^^ It's not an impossible standard. And if someone doesn't intend to actually adhere to their repeated intent then they shouldn't assert it in the first place.

And I am allowed to reply to people posting a question to me. If you don't like that or the answer that isn't my problem. There is no law here stating I have to agree with everyone else.

And I'm not expecting anyone to change their plans. I never made any such assertion.

 

[urbandefault]

^^ It's not an impossible standard. And if someone doesn't intend to actually adhere to their repeated intent then they shouldn't assert it in the first place.

And I am allowed to reply to people posting a question to me. If you don't like that or the answer that isn't my problem. There is no law here stating I have to agree with everyone else.

And I'm not expecting anyone to change their plans. i never made any such assertion.

No one is questioning your right to dissent.

But to offer the same complaint over and over, seemingly in every comment about STC, has become very tired. Everyone knows by now how you feel about it. And now Vic is, in my opinion, bringing the show to its logical end. An end that was not at all unexpected, at least from where I sit.

Continuing to nitpick a minor point from the original mission statement at this late date is, for lack of a better phrase, weak tea.

YMMV, LLAP.

 

[Warped9]

^^ There is more to discussion than, "Wasn't that great? Wasn't that amazing? Rah, rah, rah..."

If I can endure repeated praise over crap movies than I can perioducally reassert my own observations and critiques of something I happen to like.

Anyway I also don't appreciate being told to shut up. In reply to that I offer the same.

Furthermore if one bothers to listen to interviews of Vic Mignogna and James Kerwin you would be aware I am hardly the only one making this observation.

 

[urbandefault]

^^ There is more to discussion than, "Wasn't that great? Wasn't that amazing? Rah, rah, rah..."

If I can here repeated praise over crap movies than i can perioducally reassert my own observations and critiques of something I happen to like anyway.

Anyway I also don't appreciate being told to shut up. In reply to that I offer the same.

"Let it go" does not equal "shut up."

And you know that. LLAP.

 

[Warped9]

"Let it go" does not equal "shut up."

And you know that. LLAP.

It amounts to the same thing. I'll stop talking about something when I'm good and ready. And I was responding to statements directed to me.

 

[urbandefault]

It amounts to the same thing. I'll stop talking about something when I'm good and ready. And I was responding to statements directed to me.

Ok, but can you let go of this? I've said LLAP twice already. So, have a nice day.

 

[Firebird]

Aaaaaaanyway, I'm excited to see the next episode, and am very curious how the rest of the series pans out. I wonder if that planet set will be finished in time for episode 8?

 

[Bixby]

The Following is from the Star Trek Continues newsletter:

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Star Trek continues' final scene of final episode

Nice photo of the crewmember...but bringing back a similar set-up to "Court Martial"...Really?
And their idea on how to conclude their series... sorry, but LAZY!

 

[Warped9]

Aaaaaaanyway, I'm excited to see the next episode, and am very curious how the rest of the series pans out. I wonder if that planet set will be finished in time for episode 8?

No matter what critiques I may have I thoroughly enjoy STC episodes and I am greatly looking forward to Ep. 8.

 

[OpenMaw]

I am deeply saddened to see them go.

And if the STC folks are reading this at all, this is one life long Trek fan that looks forward to seeing the conclusion. Thanks for the fun hours.

 

[Warped9]

I am deeply saddened to see them go.

And if the STC folks are reading this at all, this is one life long Trek fan that looks forward to seeing the conclusion. Thanks for the fun hours.

Lets not be premature. Vic speaks with confidence and hope about STC going forward. Things may not be as gloomy as many believe.

 

[Tosk]

With this they sre definitely stepping out from what TOS would most likely have done back in the day. TOS couldn't possibly have known of what lay a decade ahead.

That doesn't mean they couldn't have had a final episode where they went into drydock for a refit. Just pretend that was why TMP continued on from that point. After all, TOS had Khan in it, even though they had no idea he'd be in a movie decades later.

 

[Warped9]

That doesn't mean they couldn't have had a final episode where they went into drydock for a refit. Just pretend that was why TMP continued on from that point. After all, TOS had Khan in it, even though they had no idea he'd be in a movie decades later.

That's like trying to read things backwards. "Space Seed" did come first.

I agree with Bixby upthread: it's not the most creative ending.

 

[Tosk]

That's like trying to read things backwards. "Space Seed" did come first.

Did it?

 

[9gs]

Nice photo of the crewmember...but bringing back a similar set-up to "Court Martial"...Really?
And their idea on how to conclude their series... sorry, but LAZY!

They have a scene where they are "off the ship (maybe)" I am looking forward to what is going on. How is the last scene a shot of the Enterprise lazy?

 

[Warped9]

How is the last scene a shot of the Enterprise lazy?

I think he means it's so obvious and expected.

There are two camps on this I think: those who "need" to have this final story told and those who don't.

I could see the idea for a story where we get an adventure and at the end of it the Enterprise gets an order to return to Earth. During the story you might toss in a few reflections on the past five years and musings on what the future might hold for the characters--and thise musings could be wrong. The last shot is the Enterprise peeling away into the distance similar to what we've seen before. The audience is left thinking, "Is this really it?"

There are no direct tie-ins to TMP or anything else post TOS, but it still fits with what will eventually follow. And yet also it fits perfectly with how TOS more likely could have ended. You have thus maintained the illusion it's still 1969/70 and created a scenario that could fit with something post TOS without being obvious about it.

This is one example between going for the less obvious and believing there is no other way to do something.

You have set the characters up to expect something possibly completely different from what actually comes next.

 

[Bixby]

They have a scene where they are "off the ship (maybe)" I am looking forward to what is going on. How is the last scene a shot of the Enterprise lazy?

They went for the most obvious way to end their series. To me that's lazy. I know they can't swerve and have Scotty flushing Chekov out the airlock, or Uhura giving birth to a Horta spawn, or Kirk joyriding through a comet's tail in a shuttlecraft...any unpredictable outcome would be great...

 

[Firebird]

They went for the most obvious way to end their series. To me that's lazy. I know they can't swerve and have Scotty flushing Chekov out the airlock, or Uhura giving birth to a Horta spawn, or Kirk joyriding through a comet's tail in a shuttlecraft...any unpredictable outcome would be great...

Well, we've only seen the last scene in the script. We have no idea what will happen between episode 7 and then, so there's plenty of uncharted and unknown territory to cross.

 

[Warped9]

Well, we've only seen the last scene in the script. We have no idea what will happen between episode 7 and then, so there's plenty of uncharted and unknown territory to cross.

Except for the fact it's pretty much a dead certainty TOS wouldn't have ended with the ship in drydock. I strongly doubt anything like that was on anyone's radar back then.

Flash back to first season's "Court Martial" when the ship was undergoing extensive repairs at Starbase 11. Was the idea even floated back then of depicting the ship in some sort of space dock? Probably not because it would have cost a pretty some in time and money to build that and film it. Given that is it likely they would have bothered to do it later?

In fairness we can't pass judgment on a story we haven't seen yet, but given the callouts to later productions we've seen already it can make one wonder what they might do.