STC Ep. 7: "Embrace The Winds" speculation and discussion....
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Thank you very much for the link!
Finding a link to a three or four year old pidcasr interview will be a challenge, but he did make a point, on more than one occasion, of saying he wanted STC to feel like they were picking up exactly where TOS left off as f it were still 1969.Again...
a.) Where did he say this? Link? Direct quote?
b.) I submit that ST:C does feel like 1969/70, even with those things you mentioned. So even if he indeed said that, I choose to interpret "feel like" to mean "generally look like." Your interpretation may differ, of course - it's a free country - but when you start using terms like "fannish" and "destroyed," methinks you might wanna consider dialing back the rhetoric a bit. Opinions are not facts (though I freely admit that is a nuance which is largely lost on many members of this BBS...).
Afraid of words much? "Destroyed" doesn't mean he ruined his production. It means he completely contradicted his earlier assertion for what he said he wanted for STC. And "fannish" is appropriate (and not rhetoric) when intense fans often wish for things for their favourite shows that are actually counterproductive and even outright silly. Some of the suggestions fans make for STC on their FB page are downright cringe inducing.
You cannot claim to want to pretend it's still 1969/70 when you keep making references to things that simply didn't exist even as a remote idea back in the day. It simply undermines the whole concept of authenticity you're pitching.
You're sense of intended authenticity is already challenged by having new cast members reprising the characters. You can surmount that to a good degree with a good cast and good writing. But it's not helped by shoehorning in references to things outside of the original subject matter. If you insist you can adhere to post TOS continuity with actually mentioning said continuity. Just don't blatantly contradict the continuity and simply don't talk about it.
This is why--as much as I'd like to see something set in the Pike era, the 22nd century or the TMP era--I'm wary because it's likely someone would feel compelled to lace it with continuity porn, constant references to contemporary Trek continuity where everything has to tie-in to everything else cute-and-tidy and everyone knows everyone else.
It gets sickening.
Sadly this is probably the scenario we are looking at.
I can see STC perhaps getting a temp pass to finish Episode 8 and very possibly 9 but no more that that. CBS will want to make sure that by the time the new series is out there is nothing (that does not fit into there fan film guide lines) 'Star Trek' out there. Episode 9 would probably be the script they had for episode 13 and wrap things up.
This was an email that STC caused to be sent out to backers of their IndieGoGo backers.
Finding a link to a three or four year old pidcasr interview will be a challenge, but he did make a point, on more than one occasion, of saying he wanted STC to feel like they were picking up exactly where TOS left off as f it were still 1969.
Afraid of words much? "Destroyed" doesn't mean he ruined his production. It means he completely contradicted his earlier assertion for what he said he wanted for STC. And "fannish" is appropriate (and not rhetoric) when intense fans often wish for things for their favourite shows that are actually counterproductive and even outright silly. Some of the suggestions fans make for STC on their FB page are downright cringe inducing.
You cannot claim to want to pretend it's still 1969/70 when you keep making references to things that simply didn't exist even as a remote idea back in the day. It simply undermines the whole concept of authenticity you're pitching.
You're sense of intended authenticity is already challenged by having new cast members reprising the characters. You can surmount that to a good degree with a good cast and good writing. But it's not helped by shoehorning in references to things outside of the original subject matter. If you insist you can adhere to post TOS continuity with actually mentioning said continuity. Just don't blatantly contradict the continuity and simply don't talk about it.
This is why--as much as I'd like to see something set in the Pike era, the 22nd century or the TMP era--I'm wary because it's likely someone would feel compelled to lace it with continuity porn, constant references to contemporary Trek continuity where everything has to tie-in to everything else cute-and-tidy and everyone knows everyone else.
It gets sickening.
What I have liked is that STC has evolved in its scope since it first started. Obviously, it would be very difficult to completely maintain the illusion that it's still 1969-1971, so I'm glad Vic, et al have allowed the show to organically change. And I'm immensely thankful they don't listen to the fanwanky suggestions on the FB page.
I don't see that as being "sad" at all. A 10 episode run is plenty generous for the story!
It's not hard at all. You just don't talk about it.
You're still not allowed to do a "series." This is the most irksome of the guidelines.
Disagree. I bet you can easily do a series and as long as you don't cross certain lines and not make too much noise CBS will happily leave you alone.
People are interpreting the guidelines as set-in-stone commandments. They're not. They are essentially suggestions.
Imagine a production like STC or Starship Exeter scaled back to 30-35 minutes with self-contained stories (no arcs), doesn't have Star Trek in its title (while acknowledging it is a Star Trek fan production), keeps their crowdfunding targets modest, doesn't have any Trek alumni involved and doesn't merchandise in the form of donor perks.
I bet you CBS doesn't say "boo."
Their new policy is less 'commandments' and more 'I'd rather you...' in terms of how they want things to go from here on.
And the guidelines are aimed more at new productions like Renegades and Horizon that have cropped up more recently, along with several others similar to them that are still in the production phase.
Star Trek Continues, Phase II and others have been producing actual material for some time now, in some cases years, without incurring any penalty because they were already abiding by a basic sense of knowing where to draw the line in their own work, and what they expected from the fans.
Axanar created a unique situation where they crossed those lines, and what was needed was some kind of guidance from CBS/Paramount finally as to what was considered okay moving forwards.
A good working relationship with the studio, I'm quite sure, will gain some leniancy. They will want to show that any production that works within the framework they created, and wants to genuinely produce something for the benefit and enjoyment of the fandom first and foremost, is encouraged as the 'standard' to achieve. Not antagnoism, egotism, greed or entitlement.
Continues could create a smaller "mini-series" in the mean time, which would lighten their workload and make them concentrate on storyline for the moment. But when series abide by the new rules, they could see benefits, such as permissions for longer episodes when the situation settles.
I understand the guidelines are just guidelines, and enforcement will most likely will be far more lenient than many fear. I'm not a "sky is falling" wailer, nor have I railed against the guidelines. Far from it.
I'm just saying, if you want to abide 1000% by all guidelines, the "no series" entry is the only one that seems needless restrictive. Many characters are worth revisiting.
Plus, it would make the 15- and 30-minute time limits more manageable if you already have familiar characters.You're betting with another player's money. It's easy to tell someone else to "call" when your not risking your own.
I'd do it in a heartbeat given the chance.
Or put another way: watch what STC is likely to do. If they continue on not much changed after Eps. 7 and 8 then I rest my case.
Here is an idea for VIC post STC's run and something that would hew a bit more closely to the guidelines.
Redress the sets and recast and do a Pike era series in 30 minute episodes filmed in black-and-white.
Oh man. I'd go for that in a hot minute. Would you do it set on the Enterprise (actually with Pike), or another Constitution class ship like the Yorktown, just in the Pike era? Either way, that needs to be a Thing That Happens.
I haven't suggested this to Vic yet, but I think an ongoing anthology series where each episode is about 43 minutes (Basically the running time for TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT) and is set on a different starship in each episode. So casting would be different and the only production pieces that would need to be swapped out are uniform insignia and the bridge dedication plaque. Okay, it would run a bit longer than the CBS guidelines suggest but they are only suggestions. There are plenty of good Trek-style sci-fi stories to tell that aren't specifically about Kirk, Spock, and other TOS characters.
Not a bad idea but funding would still be a problem.
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