What do you want to see in Star Trek 4?

[The Wormhole]

Worked for "In A Mirror, Darkly", didn't it?

Apples and oranges. It was pretty risky when Enterprise did it, but a TV show airing episodes weekly can get away with having an episode or two that don't count. But when you have a movie series where there's only a new movie every three to four years, having one completely cut-off from the rest of the series is the wrong move to make.

The TOS movies got better after they cut the budget. They when big on TMP (46M Budget), then cut the budget for TWOK down to 11M.

Apples and oranges again, TMP was blown way out of proportion and didn't need to cost a fraction of what it did.

 

[johnjm22]

Apples and oranges again, TMP was blown way out of proportion and didn't need to cost a fraction of what it did.

There's no way you could do visuals like that on a small budget. TMP was a spectacle & required a big budget.

 

[The Wormhole]

There's no way you could do visuals like that on a small budget. TMP was a spectacle & required a big budget.

Seriously? TMP needed a large budget just show off funky colours and everyone's reactions to them?

Besides, the movie was adapted from a TV script anyway.

 

[Ovation]

There's no way you could do visuals like that on a small budget. TMP was a spectacle & required a big budget.

True, to a point. However, a good chunk of that budget was made up of carry over costs from earlier projects (Phase II and other things) that were folded into the film's budget envelop. While TWOK was certainly made on a smaller budget, the gap was not quite as dramatic as the released numbers suggest. Probably more like 2.5x reduction, rather than 4x reduction.

 

[photon70]

I want to see new civilizations and new worlds.

I appreciate the reunion with Kirk Snr has been mooted by JJ so maybe there'll be a hard sci-fi element in the next movie to allow the reunion to occur.

That's ok too.

My 'dream' Trek movie would be 4 or 5 away missions as a 2 hour movie; with one of those a recurring story to tie it all together.

What better way to distinguish Trek from the run of the mill blockbuster.

That way, you can have a mix of the unknown (exploring strange new worlds), meeting a new civilization, stumbling across a war (action quota), curing a space disease and righting a wrong.

The Enterprise being a gunboat, a hospital ship, a sanctuary for the prosecuted and a home to her crew.

 

[Ovation]

I want to see new civilizations and new worlds.

I appreciate the reunion with Kirk Snr has been mooted by JJ so maybe there'll be a hard sci-fi element in the next movie to allow the reunion to occur.

That's ok too.

My 'dream' Trek movie would be 4 or 5 away missions as a 2 hour movie; with one of those a recurring story to tie it all together.

What better way to distinguish Trek from the run of the mill blockbuster.

That way, you can have a mix of the unknown (exploring strange new worlds), meeting a new civilization, stumbling across a war (action quota), curing a space disease and righting a wrong.

The Enterprise being a gunboat, a hospital ship, a sanctuary for the prosecuted and a home to her crew.

I think that would work a lot better as a mini-series than a movie (otherwise, each moment would come off as rather superficial).

 

[photon70]

I think that would work a lot better as a mini-series than a movie (otherwise, each moment would come off as rather superficial).

Ahh but there in lies the crafty art of script writing, and a direction good enough to tie it all together.

 

[Khan 2.0]

-set after the 5 year mission. Like the first film showed us the pre 5 years mission origin of the crew (at least the alternate universe version of it), this would show us post 5 year mission ‘Lost Years’ which is also untold onscreen and allowing it to be more a big budget updated version of the original movies (not so much the original series like ST09/STID/STB).

-open with the end of a mission like STID (maybe an TOS ep?)

-Throughout the opening credits (if they do them) - images (painted or photo or maybe 'Gold Key' style) of the crews various missions (classic scenes from classic eps redone with the nu crew - like Spiderman 2 opening credits)....Arena, City, Doomsday, Amok, Spectre of the Gun, etc

-mushroom space dock with the massive blue lit interior housing all the ships (vaster than ever)

-TOS & movie music nods (Goldsmith & Horner rifts – not anything big – just a musical ‘cameos’ like Amok Time fight music in STID)

-lengthy phaser ‘beams’ not star wars ‘blasts’

-Enterprise A refit so more sleek like TOS movies (esp if set in the TMP era)

-getting more toward foreshadowing the TWOK style uniforms/field jackets/equipment/ship designs (again esp if set good few years later)

-more movie style to the sound FX/visual FX of the beaming/phasers etc (again if set years later)

-Pine sporting the dark curly Admiral Kirk Shatfro

-Klingons

-TMP style transporter malfunctions (with gory aftermath)

-TWOK style nebulas (hiding/battling in)

-more federation starship vs. federation starship carnage

-A Trek III style end fight between Kirk and a villain (klingon?) on an inhospitable Genesis/Avatar/Lost World jungle type planet - maybe one that's about to go boom (Ceti Alpha VI?)...like Trek III but with todays FX/tech - alien dinos, volcanoes, end of the world destruction, ripped shirts/KirkFu

-maybe change the classic ‘STAR TREK’ font to the movie font for promo stuff? (i always liked the movie font best)

-more Twilight Zone/Outer Limits/early TOS style eeriness/horror

-more references to the prime timeline/alternate future - maybe a 'Days of Futures Past/Yesterdays Ent' type story involving alternate realities, prime timeline links etc (maybe involving TNG and or Shat Kirk). (this might be happening with George Kirk)

-some BTTF2/TerminatorGenisys/Trials and Tribulations/All Good Things style revisiting familiar events somehow (this might be happening)

-the borg? (maybe something to do with them if above.)

-Nero (what happened to him and the remains of the Narada when they went through the black hole - did he end up back in the future? The past? The delta quadrant? - see borg above again. maybe Nero could be like the Ras Al Guld of the Trek movies? - haunting Kirk?)

-various Trek stuff cameoing/referenced/easter egging - e.g. Talosions, Doomsday machine, gorns, cloud killer, Guardian of Forever, corbomite, tholians, wild west, rand, No 1, Nurse Chapel (finally), Terrel, Kruge, Decker, Ilia, Savvik, Sybok, Daystrom, Admiral Archer, Botany Bay/Khan(again), Reliant/Excelsior, Patrick Stewart and the next gen, Vger (somehow linked to the borg? see points above)

-some big name supporting roles? e.g.:
Michael Fassbender as Colonel Chang, Jason Moma as Captain Kruge, Taylor Kitch as Joachim, Laurence Fishburne as Dr Daystrom, Bryan Cranston as Commodore Decker

-some big name cameos??
Arnold Schwarzenegger - Klingon Emperor, Harrison Ford - Head of Starfleet Admiral April, Scott Bakula – Jonathan Archer, Brent Spiner - Dr Arik Soong, Michael Dorn – General Worf, Patrick Stewart - Picards ancestor, Leonard Nimoy – Old Spock (CG enhanced footage), Richardo Montalban - Khan (CG flashback footage)

-Shatner....id still like him there…if possible. maybe retro footage from some out-takes from previous Trek movies or little seen tv movies/TJ Hooker? or even Shatner as he is now - The lost ST09 Birthday scene? as Kirks grandpop? alternate reality future Kirk? ( fanpleasing end cameo as old Pine Kirk - not Prime Kirk - maybe with old Quinto Spock - something like Cloud Atlas end)

 

[SiddFinch1]

Sybok..spocks half brother...discovers the guardian of forever with the help of Harry Mudd and Cyrano Jones. They go back to try to save the Kelvan from Nero. Kirk and Spock need to go back in time to make sure George Kirk and millions of Vulcans die to preserve the timeline.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Fishburne as Richard Daystrom? I can see it.

Although I think Avery Brooks might be a better fit (because of the voice), I can understand why TPTB would be skittish, they might think audiences would assume he's a Sisko ancestor.

Who knows though - maybe he is!

 

[Dales]

Sybok..spocks half brother...discovers the guardian of forever with the help of Harry Mudd and Cyrano Jones. They go back to try to save the Kelvan from Nero. Kirk and Spock need to go back in time to make sure George Kirk and millions of Vulcans die to preserve the timeline.

that would just create another other alternate reality.

 

[urbandefault]

(nu) Monster Maroons.

 

[BillJ]

(nu) Monster Maroons.

Ugh.

 

[Kemaiku]

(nu) Monster Maroons.

YIKES no.

 

[Kelso]

I'd like to see Jaylah as the hotheaded young cadet/officer and Kirk mentoring her as Pike did for him.

 

[Visitor1982]

A new creative and production team. No villain. Smaller budget (not more than 100 - 125 million). Less action, more story. More character development. Make it ordinary, thought provoking. Let's make it Star Trek.

 

[BillJ]

Less action, more story.

Did that with Beyond. People didn't show up.

More character development.

Did that with Beyond. People didn't show up.

Make it ordinary, thought provoking.

Did that with Beyond. People didn't show up. Did thought-provoking with Into Darkness and people have been bitching for three years straight about Orci's conspiracy theories.

Let's make it Star Trek.

We've had three very good Star Trek movies from Bad Robot/Skydance. But my opinion doesn't count because I've only been watching Star Trek since 1975.

If "Star Trek" means people sitting around a conference table each disclaiming their lines, then count me out. I have muscle relaxers to put me to sleep.

 

[Ovation]

Did that with Beyond. People didn't show up. Did thought-provoking with Into Darkness and people have been bitching for three years straight about Orci's conspiracy theories.

You know, I've seen a number of attempts to link Into Darkness' plot with the 9/11 "truthers", of which Orci allegedly is one, but I don't see it. Its plot has a classic "shadow agency" element, with a bit of Seven Days in May (entertaining Cold War era thriller), but such elements are found in fiction going back thousands of years.

 

[Visitor1982]

LOL! You can't honestly believe Star Trek Beyond has any less action than the previous two NuTrek movies. Calling Into Darkness thought provoking is well, unbelievable.

I want Star Trek to scale it down. It needs to be more like the TV series. Give us a movie version of an episode like The Innerlight or The Offspring or In The Pale Moonlight or Duet. That's what I want from Star Trek.

And yes, I know the stakes have to be bigger on the big screen compared to the small screen, but there have been more serious, thought provoking sci-fi movies recently that have been a succes like Interstellar and The Martian.

There's no reason you can't make a Star Trek movie on a 100 million dollar budget with a good story, less relying on action and special effects and still make 250 tot 300 million dollars world wide.

 

[Jedi_Master]

Stick with the ST:Beyond formula - great action, great character development, eye popping visuals, humor, fun, and emotional resonance. The overall plot is irrelevant if all those elements are present.