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HUGE Mr Sulu Spoiler

1. Geordi was a pc before pc. It was so painful to watch him on TNG before I had the tools to ignore pc.

2. Levar taught millions of children to read. That's sexy.

3. Without a script Levar is a better than Kirk.

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Out of his ass he pulled all that dialogue and grit. :)

3. In TNG the Enemy, Geordi is trapped on a bad weather planet with a Romulan, and while surviving this planet they become friends realizing that Romulans and Humans are not so different... But wouldn't it have been a more grounded story if they had also ####ed?
 
Having seen it, I can't believe such a fuss has been made. It's brief, fairly subtle and well done.


I could give precisely zero fucks about it. If Sulu had a clear backstory of being straight then fair enough. He hasn't. It's a blank canvas as far as the character is concerned. The writers hearts were in the right place 'dedicating' it to George, so in their eyes, along with the publicity it creates it's a win-win all round. I really don't see the problem with it.

What they did to Khan's ethnicity in STID is a far bigger deal in my opinion as that was an actual change to the character that goes against what was seen before. This isn't. At all.
 
Well I promise, if you start a thread why Spock and Uhura has a relationship I'll complain there as well. But so far this thread is full of people trying to slap a "homophobe" sticker on everyone who doesn't like it. Just look at yourself: "they are not the same people." no you're right, we're the mole people sprung up form the depth of earth when we heard about the evil gays in Star Trek.

Anyway, As I've said before (Is that a warning for repeating?) I don't mind gays, f*ck it, make Star Trek 5 a long movie about a Pride parade on Enterprise.What I hate are BAD retcons done in some weird appeasement for "diversity" and other PC bullcrap. This is, a BAD retcon and I don't like a BAD retcon. Checkov or Scotty gay would have been better and I would probably not have complained as much.
@mlk, when I earlier gave you a warning in this thread, this is what I said:

mlk, you've been asked more than once to stop disrupting the thread by a) dragging the "homophobe" thing out ad infinitum and b) by making this all about you repeatedly challenging people to back up things they've not, in fact, ever said.

The continued disruption earns you a warning, and that comes with a direction to drop the matter now or risk further warnings. Any comments concerning this action are to be conducted via PM.

Feel free to join the discussion that's going on, but if you continue to pick fights, continue to hijack the thread, continue to make waves, your actions are likely to have consequences.

Exactly three hundred posts later, here you are again beating the "homophobe" drum you were several times directed to leave be. Further, here you are again doing some wrong-forum editorializing concerning a warning.

That will earn you another warning.

Comments to PM.

Really!
 
Dedicating the character change to him by picking Sulu and then turning right back around and getting him in hot water because of having an opinion is what makes the "gesture" towards him phony in my opinion.
 
Dedicating the character change to him by picking Sulu and then turning right back around and getting him in hot water because of having an opinion is what makes the "gesture" towards him phony in my opinion.
How is his being in "hot water" their fault?
 
The movie was completely edited and ready to be screened by the time Takei objected. It wasn't as if they had time to reshoot scenes at that point.
 
The movie was completely edited and ready to be screened by the time Takei objected. It wasn't as if they had time to reshoot scenes at that point.

That's not entirely true. George Takai objected months ago ... it was just a few weeks ago that it was made public.
 
That's not entirely true. George Takai objected months ago ... it was just a few weeks ago that it was made public.

Not that it matters because Takei doesn't own the character.

The only thing they could've avoided is presenting it as an homage to him without knowing if he wants it.

At this point it feels like we're just going in circles. Having a gay character in Trek is great and Star Trek Beyond does it in a really nice way.
 
I'd say Pegg and Lin have done a good job of handling Sulu's 'coming out'.

To the general audience that has not been following every little statement or interview that preceeded the movie, there wasn't much of a coming out. The way it was shown in the movie itself could mean anything ... Sulu and that other guy could be brothers or cousins or whatever. Not that I am complaining about it, I wasn't a fan of Sulu being gay anyway.
 
...there wasn't much of a coming out. The way it was shown in the movie itself could mean anything ... Sulu and that other guy could be brothers or cousins or whatever.

Yeah. Brothers always rest their hands on each other's asses as they walk along the street.

Seriously, gay people spend most of their lives doing the exact same things as straight people. Hell, some gay people (for their own individual reasons) 'act' like straight people in every possible way, 100% of the time. You'd never know unless they told you.

I find this argument particularly interesting, because I seem to recall people bitching that Spock and Uhura were acting like idiotic teenagers for having:
- 1 argument
-1 kiss
...in front of so much as one person (Kirk, their boss.)
 
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To the general audience that has not been following every little statement or interview that preceeded the movie, there wasn't much of a coming out. The way it was shown in the movie itself could mean anything ... Sulu and that other guy could be brothers or cousins or whatever. Not that I am complaining about it, I wasn't a fan of Sulu being gay anyway.

Thank God you're ok with it. Wouldn't want you to be offended. That certainly wouldn't do.
 
Wouldn't it be amazing, if a new pre-existing character is found to also be gay, in each successive new Star Trek movie to come?

Sulu being a bad choice, isn't the same complaint as that Sulu is was a bad choice to be first.
 
No need to be sarcastic ... I have no problem with gay people. I just think that Sulu was a poor choice, they should have saved that for a new character.
Which would've led to thousands of complaints about giving the new guy so much screen time instead of giving that time to the underused core cast.
 
I like how these last two posts are presumptions about a non-existent thing! Hahaha. :rommie:

So Sulu's gay. I... Think it's very fitting. I don't fully understand Takei's objections, honestly. I respect his position, but I don't know if I understand it. As I said in the thread regarding the new series having an LGBT character in it, I don't think it's a bad idea as long as it's handled with the maturity and respect it should, and not done for exploitative sexual reasons. IE their sexuality should not be the spotlight of their character. That should be something incidental.

Which it seems is how they handled NuSulu's relationship. Bravo.
 
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