DS9 on blu ray?

[Heghta]

Sorry I doubt it will ever happen. DVD's are going the way of the dinosaurs and that includes blue ray. The problem isn't just limited customer base (which may not be that limited) it's also that DVD sales are tanking and they should be tanking. It's an outdated platform. I haven't bought a DVD in years.

 

[Kor]

I like a lot of obscure older movies that are ONLY available on DVD. So I still buy them.

Kor

 

[Shalashaska]

Sorry I doubt it will ever happen. DVD's are going the way of the dinosaurs and that includes blue ray. The problem isn't just limited customer base (which may not be that limited) it's also that DVD sales are tanking and they should be tanking. It's an outdated platform. I haven't bought a DVD in years.

What have DVD sales got to do with DS9 in HD?

 

[Tosk]

He's right, DVD and Blu-ray will be extinct soon, just like vinyl records and CDs.

Oh wait...

 

[kkt]

Hey, if they pay for a HD remaster so they can sell it on streaming services, why not make a couple of extra $$ selling Blu Rays too?

 

[davejames]

The DVDs honestly look like pure ass going through the series for the first time.

Sometimes, I think how great it is that they shot DS9 on film instead of videotape, before realizing that we may never see the benefits of it.

Yeah I just started my first full DS9 rewatch (for the first time since the original airing), and after finishing up the TNG blurays it's definitely a bit of a shock to the system. Although thankfully the picture is still a lot better than that of those blurry and faded TNG reruns on BBC America, and you can kinda get used to it after awhile.

And for me DS9's much more dynamic visual style and richer characters and storytelling (even in the lackluster first season) are doing a really good job making up everything else. And I'm still finding these episodes to be a whole lot easier and more fun to rewatch than those of the formulaic TNG, which even in HD was often incredibly boring to look at.

 

[DS9forever]

I've noticed CBS UK's broadcast versions are okay, a better quality than the DVD picture.

 

[Mage]

I have no hope of getting a proper remaster of DS9 like they did with TNG.

However, now that it seems that Netflix has gained international streaming rights for all Star Trek shows, how likely is it we'll a cheap digital remaster, like they did with the first 4 seasons of nuWho?

 

[Tosk]

That's what I've been hoping for ever since the proper remaster got shot down. Take the master tapes, run them through the process that CBSD were using for the uprezzed footage for TNG (They got it to a pretty good level by season 5) and release them that way. They won't be amazing, but they'll be a lot better than the current DVDs.

 

[timtonruben359]

As others have said, DS9 (and VOY as well) will never get blu-ray releases because physical media is going the way of the dinosaur. Will DS9 ever get some kind of HD remaster? My money is on eventually. At some point down the road technology will advance enough to make a DS9 remaster more cost effective. It's the costs associated with the project due to the CGI in later seasons that has stopped CBS from pursuing the project at this time.

 

[BillJ]

It's the costs associated with the project due to the CGI in later seasons that has stopped CBS from pursuing the project at this time.

There is a huge amount of cost in physically digging out and reassembling the footage.

 

[davejames]

The problem is by the time the technology does advance far enough, interest in DS9 will be even more minuscule than it is now and CBS will have even less motivation to do anything. Especially when there's a flashy new series they'll want to focus all their money and attention on instead, and which the fanbase is clearly much more excited about.

Like it or not, I just don't see a remaster ever happening for DS9. We had one shot at it, but the sales for TNG were not nearly enough to keep the project going for the other series, and now it's over.

 

[CommanderTrip]

I am one of the lucky fans who enjoys every incarnation of trek. I love DS9. I'm watching "The Die is Cast" right now. I'd jump at the chance to own the show restored in HD on bluray. Just don't try and charge me $100 a season again like you did with the DVD's looking at you paramount (but I only have my self to blame for buying them...or asking for a season for christmas......) $50-60 a season and a $200-$250 box set is fair.

 

[Shalashaska]

That's what I've been hoping for ever since the proper remaster got shot down. Take the master tapes, run them through the process that CBSD were using for the uprezzed footage for TNG (They got it to a pretty good level by season 5) and release them that way. They won't be amazing, but they'll be a lot better than the current DVDs.

Or better yet, scan all the live-action shots from the original film negative and then just uprezz the effects that were done on tape in post-production.

It'd be more expensive than your idea, but it'd be a lot less expensive than giving it the TNG job. It'd be similar to what Fox did for The X-Files and what CBS did for Enterprise.

I can see studios going that way from now on for most 90s shows. I feel we got really lucky with TNG, I doubt we'll ever see anything like it again in terms of how much work and money was poured into the remastering job.

 

[BillJ]

...and what CBS did for Enterprise.

CBS did nothing for Enterprise except put the episodes on disc.

 

[Kemaiku]

CBS did nothing for Enterprise except put the episodes on disc.

#Nope

They upscaled all the effects as the show was shot in 720, not 1080.

 

[BillJ]

#Nope

They upscaled all the effects as the show was shot in 720, not 1080.

If they upscaled the effects, it sure doesn't show. Especially in season one.

Everything I've heard was that the show was shot in 1080, and the effects ran the gamut from 480 to 1080 depending on render times.

 

[Kemaiku]

It went through some process of upscaling, but the source was not good enough for any true difference. If it couldn't clean up an already mostly HD source, it's not going to make a 90's turd of a *gags* VIDEO TAPE roll look anything like new or good.

 

[BillJ]

It went through some process of upscaling, but the source was not good enough for any true difference. If it couldn't clean up an already mostly HD source, it's not going to make a 90's turd of a *gags* VIDEO TAPE roll look anything like new or good.

Agreed. On The Next Level TNG preview disc, they showed a clip of their upscale effort and there was almost no difference.

 

[Kemaiku]

Whether people like it or not, the only truely 1080 or above sources in Star Trek are the original, unaltered 35mm prints and already up to 4K rendered CGI elements.

Those are the film of TOS, TNG, DS9 and VGR. The 720 footage of Enterprise and 480i-720p CGI that can be fudged a little. And the new movies.

*Everything else* has to be remade in-house by Paramount/CBS and that costs millions of dollars, which *must* turn a 120% profit at least for a studio to consider doing it. Breaking even is not a business model. TNG-R got about 105%, a faliure, one they will not repeat.

They'll making a killing with Star Trek Beyond Bluray and 4K, but that money will go back to the studio in profits and make the decision on how much they funnel into the already greenlit Star Trek 4.

DS9 DVD's don't even move on the shelf enough over it's entire availabliity so far, Bluray making less? no way anyone's touching that.