Marvel All New, All Different - Ongoing Discussion (Spoilers)
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I'm done with Marvel. Too much, too different.
HYDRA Cap.
Fantastic Four being cancelled.
Terrorist (adult) Cyclops and Kid Hitler (teen) Cyclops.
Bendis' terrible Uncanny and All New X-Men runs.
Avengers vs X-Men
Inhumans thriving while the mutants continue toward extinction.
Cho-Hulk, Jane Thor, Captain Falcon, Riri Iron Man, Doom Iron Man
All New, All Different.
Never ending hero vs hero events.
Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch retconned to no longer be mutants or Magneto's children.
Tony Stark retconned to no longer being the son of Howard and Maria Stark. Rumor is Mary Jane Watson could be his sister, and Bucky and Natasha (Black Widow) are his parents.
Nick Fury retconned to be a murderer and assassin. He killed Uatu the Watcher for knowledge to preempt threats and stole his eyes.
The "House of Ideas" seems empty nowadays.
HYDRA Cap.
Fantastic Four being cancelled.
Terrorist (adult) Cyclops and Kid Hitler (teen) Cyclops.
Bendis' terrible Uncanny and All New X-Men runs.
Avengers vs X-Men
Inhumans thriving while the mutants continue toward extinction.
Cho-Hulk, Jane Thor, Captain Falcon, Riri Iron Man, Doom Iron Man
All New, All Different.
Never ending hero vs hero events.
Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch retconned to no longer be mutants or Magneto's children.
Tony Stark retconned to no longer being the son of Howard and Maria Stark. Rumor is Mary Jane Watson could be his sister, and Bucky and Natasha (Black Widow) are his parents.
Nick Fury retconned to be a murderer and assassin. He killed Uatu the Watcher for knowledge to preempt threats and stole his eyes.
The "House of Ideas" seems empty nowadays.
Marvel does love their adjective. Now they're mining the negative ones.
Would Doom's ego allow him to use another man's name?
He is Doom. And that is more than enough for any man.
If Doom is Iron Man then who will be Doom? Howard the Duck?
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I'd read that book.
a lot of this makes me grumpy too. especially no Fantastic Four. i really thought they would have brought the book back by now.
The Fantastic Four have barely been gone. When they killed off / ceased publication on Thor a few years back, he was gone for 3 years.
What happened to the Fantastic Four is political.
Constantin and FOX have to give Marvels first family back.
Inhumanity supplanting Mutantdom, is also a FOX issue.
Constantin and FOX have to give Marvels first family back.
Inhumanity supplanting Mutantdom, is also a FOX issue.
Everything is the Avengers now. When they bring back the FF, it will be as Fantastic Avengers. 
That is crazy. Hope none of that crap makes it into the MCU.
Yeah, that 1987 series was weird, but it was mostly because Roger Stern left the project before it ended and they completely changed writers.
You don't think a black Iron Man can work? Or you just don't like the idea of replacing Iron Man with a different person or maybe a younger Iron Man?
Yeah, the only X-Men are Cyclops, Beast, Iceman, Angel, and Marvel Girl. What's with this Storm, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Thunderbird, and Wolverine crap?
Yeah, Contest of Champions was stupid and Secret Wars was underwhelming. On the other hand, the X-Men vs. X-Factor fight in Inferno was actually pretty cool. Of course, there's the more generic ones that have been happening since the beginning which have been hit or miss, but some are cool. Who wasn't excited for the first Thing vs. Hulk fight?
Yeah, everything is just so different with this Marvel. It's nothing like the great company I used to love.
Hardee Har.
Ya know, they just killed Rhodey. And rather than give the role of Iron Man to his niece Lila Rhodes, a character pre-established, who is also a tech savy genius (like Riri Williams), and who enhanced her uncle's armor. Brian Michael Bendis gives the role of Iron Man to a character of his own creation. Riri only debuted in May of this year.
Rhodey has been Iron Man, War Machine and Iron Patriot. I knew he was marked for death when CW II was announced. Giving the role to Lila would've made more sense. Instead, BMB gives the role and legacy of Iron Man to a character of his own creation. The line between fanfiction and story telling with Marvel has blurred at Marvel, I feel. Just look at all the pointless retcons they institute in order to make their stories.
Hey, man. New 52, Marvel NOW 1.0, All New All Different, had some winners and some losers. Marvel burning bridges with ANAD, relaunching and rebranding again, in under a year doesn't confer confidence. I haven't enjoyed any of the ANAD titles.
I was referring to the recent rash of hero vs hero events. Not the run of the mill hero vs hero on solo titles.
Here is a list of all the events Marvel has published since 2004.
Avengers Dissassembled: Scarlet Witch attacks the Avengers and the Avengers
House of M: Hero vs Hero in an altered reality
Annihilation: Nova, Starlord, Gamora, Drax, Silver Surfer, Ronan and Super Skrull vs Annihulus.
Civil War: Hero vs Hero. Capt America dies, while Tony and Reed look like the biggest A-holes. But Marvel said Tony and Reed were right all along.
World War Hulk: Hulk vs X-Men, Fantastic Four, Avengers and anyone else he comes across.
Annihilation Conquest: Starlord, Gamora, Drax, Groot, Nova, Rocket Raccoon, and Quasar vs the Phalanx and Ultron. The success of both Annihilation stories led to the 2008 revival of the GOTG.
Messiah Complex: The first mutant born since House of M, and Bishop sets out to kill her.
Secret Invasion: Hero vs Hero vs Skrull
Messiah War: Cyclops trusts Hope to Cable and the X-Force to protect her from Bishop.
Seige: Norman Osborn attacks Asgard
Fear Itself: An Asgardian God manipulates the heroes of Earth, instilling fear and doubt and that leads to more hero vs hero.
Schism: Wolverine vs Cyclops. Fractures the X-Men. Logan makes his own school, and Scott makes his own school.
Shadowland: Daredevil with the Hand Clan fights Spider-Man and the Defenders
Avengers vs X-Men: Nuff said. Cyclops kills Prof X, is thrown in jail and the X-Men all look like bullies.
Infinity: The Avengers vs Thanos.
Original Sin: Nick Fury murders The Watcher Uatu, and sets the Avengers on a wild goose chase for his killer. This leads to more hero vs hero, until the misunderstandings are resolved and the mystery is solved. Also, Thor is left unworthy, for some reason.
AXIS: Another topsy turvy world, where the some heroes are made bad and some villains are made good, and they fight.
Hickman's Avengers vs the Illuminati members of the New Avengers and to an extent Secret Wars (2015): The Illumanti is destroying parallel Earths during the "incursion" era, and Captain America's led Avengers vow to stop them from continuing their actions. Think of the incursions like COIE multiverse, but instead of the Anti-Monitor destroying Earths, it's the New Avengers.
Civil War II: Another Civil War, and yet another hero vs hero event
Divided in Marvel NOW 2.0: The new status quo for Marvel after Civil War II ends.
House of M: Hero vs Hero in an altered reality
Annihilation: Nova, Starlord, Gamora, Drax, Silver Surfer, Ronan and Super Skrull vs Annihulus.
Civil War: Hero vs Hero. Capt America dies, while Tony and Reed look like the biggest A-holes. But Marvel said Tony and Reed were right all along.
World War Hulk: Hulk vs X-Men, Fantastic Four, Avengers and anyone else he comes across.
Annihilation Conquest: Starlord, Gamora, Drax, Groot, Nova, Rocket Raccoon, and Quasar vs the Phalanx and Ultron. The success of both Annihilation stories led to the 2008 revival of the GOTG.
Messiah Complex: The first mutant born since House of M, and Bishop sets out to kill her.
Secret Invasion: Hero vs Hero vs Skrull
Messiah War: Cyclops trusts Hope to Cable and the X-Force to protect her from Bishop.
Seige: Norman Osborn attacks Asgard
Fear Itself: An Asgardian God manipulates the heroes of Earth, instilling fear and doubt and that leads to more hero vs hero.
Schism: Wolverine vs Cyclops. Fractures the X-Men. Logan makes his own school, and Scott makes his own school.
Shadowland: Daredevil with the Hand Clan fights Spider-Man and the Defenders
Avengers vs X-Men: Nuff said. Cyclops kills Prof X, is thrown in jail and the X-Men all look like bullies.
Infinity: The Avengers vs Thanos.
Original Sin: Nick Fury murders The Watcher Uatu, and sets the Avengers on a wild goose chase for his killer. This leads to more hero vs hero, until the misunderstandings are resolved and the mystery is solved. Also, Thor is left unworthy, for some reason.
AXIS: Another topsy turvy world, where the some heroes are made bad and some villains are made good, and they fight.
Hickman's Avengers vs the Illuminati members of the New Avengers and to an extent Secret Wars (2015): The Illumanti is destroying parallel Earths during the "incursion" era, and Captain America's led Avengers vow to stop them from continuing their actions. Think of the incursions like COIE multiverse, but instead of the Anti-Monitor destroying Earths, it's the New Avengers.
Civil War II: Another Civil War, and yet another hero vs hero event
Divided in Marvel NOW 2.0: The new status quo for Marvel after Civil War II ends.
A lot of hero vs hero from this list, and that includes the tie-ins and spin off they make from the main events. I'm starting to think there are no villains in the MU for the heroes to face.
What about The Thanos Imperative and War of Kings?
What in particular do you like about Lila besides that she's been established longer? I think the use of an original character worked well for both Kamala Khan and Miles Morales. There are other differences between this situation and that situation but none of those differences are relevant to how well-established the character is.
That's a shame. Karnak has been an interesting ride so far. Ultimates is a head trip, but isn't everyone's cup of tea. I've heard great things about Vision, although I haven't read it. Ms. Marvel has been a consistent joy just like the book was during Marvel NOW. I actually think Uncanny Inhumans is a lot of fun (I like Soule as a writer, although I think his Daredevil is only just beginning to find its legs). I also appreciate Ta-Nehisi Coates's Black Panther. Which books have you read so far that you didn't enjoy?
Contest of Champions, Secret Wars, and Inferno are all events too.
To be fair, Rini is a terrible, boring character. She's the only thing wrong with the current Invincible Iron Man book, and she's just part of a trend of Marvel getting rid of good characters and replacing them with terrible characters for no real reason outside of a small sales boost and giving the middle finger to the movie division. I've never even heard of Rhodey's niece, but I don't think she'd be better. Tony Star is Iron Man, and he's doing really well in his book. If Marvel allowed books to get past 12-24 issues, I'd say his run should just continue. Like how comics used to work before Marvel became allergic to high numbers and successful, established characters. Now its all renumberings and stupid gimmicks where the good character is replaced by a terrible character who steals their name (sometimes literally, like with Thor).
Ultimates is pretty good, even if the art is a bit iffy at times. The Inhuman books I really like (although Karnak is garbage, but then again I loathe Warren Ellis anyway). Black Panther is mixed, its good when its focusing on T'Challa but the stuff around him, like the Wakandan politics, isn't very good. I will disagree about Ms. Marvel, though. I personally find Kamala Kahn to be extremely annoying, her book is terrible and she ruins everything she cameos in. Lady Thor is a bit worse, and Miles Morales is almost as bad, but Ms. Marvel is the most overrated Marvel character in years, possibly ever. Its not even that I find Wilson to be a bad writer (although I've disliked basically everything of hers that I've read), because even Mark Waid can't make Ms. Marvel not terrible. To me, Carol Danvers will always be Ms. Marvel, while Kamala Kahn is a character that either makes me skip a book entirely, oir at least glance past every panel she's in (like in ANAD Avengers).
On to something else, I saw this page floating around the internet, and even though I stopped reading the book I wanted to mention it. From Captain America: Sam Wilson #11
This is Rage. he's a former Avenger, and New Warrior. But, do you know what's wrong with this page? I'll give you a few seconds.
1...2...3...
RAGE WAS NOT AT STAMFORD. I mean, what the hell? Spencer could have looked at the damn wiki and seen that in about 30 seconds. The New Warriors at Stamford were: Speedball, Nightthrasher, Namorita, and Microbe. He didn't even need the wiki actually. Know why? Because every New Warrior at Stamford died except Speedball. Sure, Nightthrasher was recently resurrected, but if Rage had been at Stamford, he'd be dead. It doesn't take an expert in Marvel Lore to know that Rage wasn't at Stamford. Heck, as far as I can tell Rage wasn't a member of that incarnation of the New Warriors at all. This page is about as stupid as claiming that Firestar or Nova were at Stamford. You got to love the Johnathon Hickman levels of being too lazy to read wikipedia that Nick Spencer shows here. Its a fact obvious to a anyone who likes Civil War, and to anyone who would spend less than a minute looking up the event, but Spencer is apparently too busy for that.
I forgot those. X(
I'll amend my list later.
I think of Lila as Marvel's Natash Irons (Steel's niece from the Superman books). With Rhodey's death, and Tony being supplanted by Doctor Doom, it would be nice to have someone connected to the previous Iron Man legacy (of Tony and Rhodey) to carry the torch until they comeback. Instead, we get a pet character of Bendis' own creation. Who can do everything Lila can.
Slott's Amazing Spider-Man
Uncanny Inhumans
Extraordinary X-Men
All New, All Different Avengers
The Mighty Thor
International Iron Man
Admittedly, I should read Ultimates and Ms Marvel. I've heard those titles are really good. My pull list has been steadily shrinking as the years go by.
I listed Secret Wars. I put Hickman's Avengers, New Avengers and Secret Wars all as one thing, due to the incursions and multiverse aspect.
I think that was referring to the old Secret Wars, rather than the recent one.
This is Rage. he's a former Avenger, and New Warrior.
It never occurred to me before how much Rage looks like he is a bear out late looking for some rough trade.
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