Marvel All New, All Different - Ongoing Discussion (Spoilers)

[kirk55555]

Well, looks like Marvel has a new "Champions" team

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/07/05/marvel-champions

The only good thing about this is that All New All Different Avengers is either going to have a huge roster shift and lose all the terrible baby heroes, or get cancelled and hopefully replaced with a more normal Avengers team. I'm all for taking the worst young Marvel heroes (and the awesome Amadeus Cho unfortunately, but hopefully his solo book is doing well enough that he'll still be around in solo adventures) and sticking them on a team that is easy to ignore. I don't know who the Vision look alike is. Maybe its from that terrible Vision book? The one where Vision apparently gains the ability to create sentient AI (an ability he's never had), and then it becomes a horror story about evil robots or something? I basically dropped that book 3 pages into issue one, so I'm only guessing the female Vision is from there.Also, Cyclops is younger and smaller in that pic used in the article then he was in All New X-Men, but whatever. That book got pretty intolerable after bendis left, its the only big X-Men book I stopped reading.

It really doesn't matter. As long as Ms. Overrated, Spider-Baby, and Lil' Nova are leaving the Avengers, I'm happy. Maybe we'll get people actually worthy of being Avengers back on the team. I mean, until Spencer is off Captain America and Steve stops being brainwashed and the real Thor takes his name and hammer back we can't have a "classic" avengers. But a close to classic, or at least worthy, team is possible. It probably won't happen, at least for awhile, but I'll keep dreaming of a real Avengers team, which we haven't had since Bendis left the Avengers. There are dozens of heroes who have been Avengers or are good enough to be Avengers they can use. If nothing else, ejecting the terrible baby Avengers can only be a good thing.

 

[JD]

The Great Lakes Avengers are being brought back in a new ongoing series from Rick and Morty comic writer Zac Gorman, and artist Wil Robson.
Sounds like it might be right up your alley there Kirk.

 

[kirk55555]

The Great Lakes Avengers are being brought back in a new ongoing series from Rick and Morty comic writer Zac Gorman, and artist Wil Robson.
Sounds like it might be right up your alley there Kirk.

I LOVE the Great Lakes Avengers. Their mini and one shots were great, their appearances in Deadpool were hilarious, and they're just generally fun whenever they show up. Unfortunately, Squirrel Girl was ruined by the terrible "Unbeatable Squirrel Girl" series, one of the worst books Marvel is publishing right now. But, it seems like we're only getting a GLA series because of that horrible comic. So, I'm excited, but cautious. If it has any real connection to that Squirrel Girl series I can't see myself reading much of it, even though I love the GLA and I've wanted to see them again for years.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Vision made a family. Wife, daughter and son. The kids went to school. That looks like the daughter.

Iron Man, who really has barely started his revolution, is already hunted by everyone for his Civil War stand, meanwhile Ms Overated although not siding with Iron Man yet is in the process of siding against Captain Marvel because the precog Ulysses' predictions are starting to rub her the wrong way in her solo book.

if Waid is still writing, then this is the same book with a title change, even if a husk was left behind where some other bugger is writing All new All Different now.

In his day, in his youth Cyclops was called "Slim".

He is supposed to be a skinny b*tch.

 

[Mr Light]

I'm not reading the X-Comics, have they revealed the details of Old Cyclops' death yet?

 

[kirk55555]

Vision made a family. Wife, daughter and son. The kids went to school. That looks like the daughter.

That's what I figured. But, I thought that the Vision book was some kind of horror story. I seem to remember all of his family (which he could not have built himself, he didn't have the ability to create AI but whatever) having a very sinister thing going on, at least in the little bit I read.

Iron Man, who really has barely started his revolution, is already hunted by everyone for his Civil War stand, meanwhile Ms Overated although not siding with Iron Man yet is in the process of siding against Captain Marvel because the precog Ulysses' predictions are starting to rub her the wrong way in her solo book.

If Ms. Overrated sides against Captain Marvel, it will be the first interesting/not annoying thing the character has ever done

if Waid is still writing, then this is the same book with a title change, even if a husk was left behind where some other bugger is writing All new All Different now.

Waid could still be writing ANAD Avengers along with Champions. He seems to want to do something with Sam Wilson and Jane thorster, and he can't do that with Champions. Either way, I'm either glad that ANAD Avengers has no baby Avengers, or that the book is done so I won't be jumping off before its through. I'm fine with someone else taking over, too. Waid's work has been mixed to mediocre at Marvel since he's come back, so I wouldn't be sad to see him stop writing books that are hard to ignore. Now, if only he would leave Black Widow...

 

[Guy Gardener]

There's a hate crime, and Vision has to deal with one of his kids being beaten into a coma by a human. I think the wife goes passively aggressively mental, and tries to murder the human children that did over her son (I read 3 issues and stopped, it's good, I'm just not in the mood.).

You're assuming that the Vision reproduces but shitting life out of his software or hard ware. Which is magical bollocks, and you're right, he's never been seen able to do before, even if Kid Vision built itself up out of his smouldering spare parts in the Young Avengers.

What Vision probably did was he bought a book, studied robotics, learnt and then mastered robotics and computer programming, and then machine parts he bought from a store, or fabricated in a Starklab, and software he bought from a store, copied from himself or "invented" himself, is how he made more robots.

Can you assemble a desk from Ikea?

That's all he did.

 

[kirk55555]

There's a hate crime, and Vision has to deal with one of his kids being beaten into a coma by a human. I think the wife goes passively aggressively mental, and tries to murder the human children that did over her son (I read 3 issues and stopped, it's good, I'm just not in the mood.).

Wha But, an Android can't be put into a coma, at least not by human children attacking them. Unless the kids had devices to cause a EMP, or the Vision is garbage at making android bodies, I call BS on that.

You're assuming that the Vision reproduces but shitting life out of his software or hard ware. Which is magical bollocks, and you're right, he's never been seen able to do before, even if Kid Vision built itself up out of his smouldering spare parts in the Young Avengers.

What Vision probably did was he bought a book, studied robotics, learnt and then mastered robotics and computer programming, and then machine parts he bought from a store, or fabricated in a Starklab, and software he bought from a store, copied form himself or "invented" himself, is how he made more robots.

Can you assemble a desk from Ikea?

That's all he did.

Well, I'm talking more about the sentient AI. Sentient AI are living people, and that's apparently what Vision did with his family even though he never could before. Its not an easy thing to do. People have done it obviously, like Hank Pym. That said, he did it by accident while he was half out of his mind, so maybe its not as hard as I would think it would be. Still, Vision has never done it before, and its really out of nowhere. I get that stories sometimes has to bend things and make leaps to justify what a writer wants to do. To be fair, if I didn't hate the premise of Vision building a family and didn't immediately hate the comic when I read it, I'd probably be more forgiving of Vision spontaneously being able to create life. Anyway, I'll never read any of Vision's series, and I won't be reading Champions, so it doesn't really matter. Just some comic book goofiness that will probably be forgotten eventually.

 

[Saga]

I'm not reading the X-Comics, have they revealed the details of Old Cyclops' death yet?

nope.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I think they hinted that he attacked the Inhumans and they attacked him back.

Although Beast now lives with the Inhumans and Inhuman relations seems fine with the Avengers and X-Men for the people who killed Scott Summers.

You would have thought that Cable would have blown his lid right?

"Oh, my dad is dead? Fuuuu-ck."

Kirk did you miss Avengers AI?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avengers_A.I.

Hank Pym and a bunch of Robot Avengers dealing to rouge artificial intelligence threats, and then they find a colony/country full of trillions of Unique AI with no mind to attack humanity, unless provoked or tricked.

Creating AI, free or enslaved, is not special anymore.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

I'm not reading the X-Comics, have they revealed the details of Old Cyclops' death yet?

Not yet. My guess is it's the upcoming Death of X storyline.

 

[kirk55555]

Kirk did you miss Avengers AI?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avengers_A.I.

Hank Pym and a bunch of Robot Avengers dealing to rouge artificial intelligence threats, and then they find a colony/country full of trillions of Unique AI with no mind to attack humanity, unless provoked or tricked.

Creating AI, free or enslaved, is not special anymore.

I read Avengers AI, it was a pretty good book that ended too soon. I knew there were a lot of random AI out there somehow. It just seems weird that Vision could create sentient AI from scratch. Not a huge deal, just weird.

 

[Guy Gardener]

It's not like he hasn't had children before.

Wha But, an Android can't be put into a coma, at least not by human children attacking them.

Take your laptop, and throw it against concrete as hard as you can a couple times.

If Vision was a true Synthezoid, sure, you're kinda right that biotech is more resistant to trauma, but a great deal of him is robotic machine parts. We've known this since Ant-Man ran around in side of him the 1960s or the Governments of the World dissembled him in the 80s.

 

[kirk55555]

I'm just saying that an android worth the materials its made of can't be damaged by teenagers. I mean, yeah, if a villain like Titania or Absorbing Man got a hold of an android, they'd probably tear it to shreds (unless it was made of adamantium like Ultron). With AI heroes that's a regular thing, they get torn to pieces and rebuilt. Its happened to Vision several times. But, it needs more force then a few 12-13 year olds could ever accomplish, unless they had super powers. A powerless young teen (or really any untrained, powerless human) shouldn't be able to dent an android without a lot of firepower. At least, not an android in a superhero universe that was almost certainly built to last.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Looked back.

Not kids.

It was the Grim Reaper.

Sorry.

The kids at school performed psychological damage on the Visions children.

The girl, who's name is Viv, is cut in half.

 

[kirk55555]

Looked back.

Not kids.

It was the Grim Reaper.

Sorry.

The kids at school performed psychological damage on the Visions children.

The girl, who's name is Viv, is cut in half.

That makes more sense. I could see psychological damage from kids.

In other news, Invincible Iron Man (which I think is the best Iron Man series since before the original Civil War) is getting relaunched, with a new Iron Man.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/a...ncible-iron-man-relaunch-from-bendis-caselli/

Its going to star the one boring part of the current comic, a 15 year old female college student who built an Iron Man suit and just kind of takes up space without adding anything in the current book. I won't be trying the relaunch. I was happy to have a great Iron Man book again after years without one that was more than tolerable (and the one before Superior IM was just terrible). I'm not going to bother with yet another spin off hero, especially since they're getting rid of a good book to do it and I found her boring in all her scenes so far. It was still nice to get a good Iron Man book, even if it was just for awhile. I'll miss it.

Still, for every Marvel misstep there is a new DC book that is actually good, so maybe Marvel is just trying to help keep my comic reading list from getting too big.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Civil War Kingpin is clever and funny.

Riri Williams.

(I'm a fan of the small universe syndrome.)

It would be sad if she turns out to Rhodey's illegitimate daughter, but that doesn't mean that her family might not be connected to the Avengers is her surname is a clue.

Simon or Eric Williams.

 

[JD]

I'm surprised that Marvel has been making such huge changes to their characters like this when the original versions are at the height of their popularity thanks to the movies. I don't necessarily think it's bad, or a mistake, I would just think they would be wanting to keep things closer to the movies while they are still raking in the billions.

 

[Captain Craig]

Well, looks like Marvel has a new "Champions" team
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/07/05/marvel-champions

I'm glad Marvel is now able to use the name Champions once again. However, this lineup to reintroduce the brand doesn't excite me. This lineup should be used to rehab the New Warriors brand, maybe toss in Speedball for good measure.

I'd like to see this as a lineup to reintroduce Champions:
Black Widow (on the outs with SHIELD in her ongoing)
Hercules (just cancelled series, Herc needs a home)
Black Knight (just cancelled series & needs followup on his situation with Steve)
Ghost Rider (Alejandra Blaze, this female GR needs followup & his way more interesting to me than Robbie)
Man-Thing (use like he was in Thunderbolts, reinforce his ability to speak again that the Howling Commandoes book forgot about)
X-Men character: for the sake of tying back, gotta be one that is suitable I'm just not up on X-events

 

[JD]

Whatever happened to the new Blade series they were talking about a while back? I remember reading a CBR interview with the writer, but I don't remember ever seeing it, and when I just looked up Blade on Comixology all that came up for him was Blade: Crescent City Blues from 1998 and the 2006-07 series.