Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 2

[Guy Gardener]

Time travel.

It's either Mari's great great grand mother or mari's great great grand daughter.

In the cartoon, Mari's sister tried to steal the amulet.

Being part of some ancient bloodline is the only credit check the amulet makes before handing out super powers.

 

[Guy Gardener]

But that would preclude the original actress returning to the role later. This route leaves that option open, which is why I prefer it.

No it doesn't.

You could have a contrivance that 7 Vixens from seven different temporal eras all meet for one adventure in the exactly the same time/space.

Although that does call into question how the totem works?

If 7 totems from seven different times are pulling power from the same extra dimensional power-source (God or Morphic field?) will it be like putting too many multi adaptors running off the same power point?

 

[kirk55555]

That's an interesting addition to the team. I've never seen the Arrowverse Vixen (because I dropped Arrow long before she showed up), so I don't care about it being a different version, its just interesting to me to see a version of Vixen on TV. I wonder if we'll be getting any other new team members.

 

[dahj]

Are the Hawks supposed to be regulars in season 2 or are they definitely out?

 

[DarthPipes]

It's disappointing that the Vixen actress can't appear on Legends. She was very good in Arrow and a highlight of their season. If they can't get her though, they should just used another character.

 

[Christopher]

If they can't get her though, they should just used another character.

Except that the whole idea of Vixen is that she's the inheritor of the power passed down by her ancestors. It's intrinsic to the premise that there were earlier generations of heroes who wielded the Tantu Totem -- they just did so in Africa. So it makes perfect sense. It's very DC, because of DC's tradition of legacy heroes -- but most of those heroes are male and/or white, so making Vixen a legacy hero seems like a very good idea to me.

And hey, people were initially skeptical of Sara Lance as the Canary before the Black Canary, but she worked out pretty well.

 

[dahj]

Imagine if they did Barry Allen on that episode of Arrow, but then Grant Gustin wasn't available for the Flash series, so instead of recasting they decided to go with a brand new Flash called Jerry Fallon, who's like Barry's third cousin.

While the character might turn out great and all, there's bound to be a little sour taste for not having the proper comic book character.

 

[theenglish]

LoT should add Wally to the cast. As for Vixen, I agree that the writers should have just inserted a different character--there are even a number of DC characters with similar powers.

 

[Dick Whitman]

I hope they make Vixen's ancestor from a much early time period. It would help her be unique and not just a copy. Also diversify the perspectives of the team members. Considering most are from the early 21st Century.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

Are the Hawks supposed to be regulars in season 2 or are they definitely out?

They're definitely out. I wouldn't be surprised if they showed up again though.

 

[Morpheus 02]

Except that the whole idea of Vixen is that she's the inheritor of the power passed down by her ancestors. It's intrinsic to the premise that there were earlier generations of heroes who wielded the Tantu Totem -- they just did so in Africa. So it makes perfect sense. It's very DC, because of DC's tradition of legacy heroes -- but most of those heroes are male and/or white, so making Vixen a legacy hero seems like a very good idea to me.

And hey, people were initially skeptical of Sara Lance as the Canary before the Black Canary, but she worked out pretty well.

I agree with you (surprise ) on that -- this option definitely leaves the door open (and glad they are supporting her attempt to succeed as an actress), and this is a logical alternative. However, I wonder if they will give her an "African" (heavy quotes) accent or not, and if the actress might actually be from an African country (like Nigeria), though 2nd generation can usually work too.

 

[Thestral]

I'm always supportive of the legacy idea, personally. That's why I'm hoping Black Canary II shows back up on Arrow, and why I'm pushing so hard for Jessie and Wally to get powers in The Flash.

 

[theenglish]

I'm actually hoping that we get Dinah Lance from another Earth join the Arrow team.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Imagine if they did Barry Allen on that episode of Arrow, but then Grant Gustin wasn't available for the Flash series, so instead of recasting they decided to go with a brand new Flash called Jerry Fallon, who's like Barry's third cousin.

While the character might turn out great and all, there's bound to be a little sour taste for not having the proper comic book character.

There are no shortages of "Flashes to chose from if Barry can't make it:
Wally West
Jai West
Iris West
Bart Allen
Don Allen
Dawn Allen
Jennie Ognats

 

[Christopher]

There are no shortages of "Flashes to chose from if Barry can't make it:
Wally West
Jai West
Iris West
Bart Allen
Don Allen
Dawn Allen
Jennie Ognats

Not to mention Flash Gordon, Flash Thompson, Jumpin' Jack Flash...

 

[dahj]

There are no shortages of "Flashes to chose from if Barry can't make it:

Obviously.
However, there has only ever been one Vixen so they have to go brand new.

They're definitely out.

Well, that's ironic considering the show was originally supposed to be Hawkgirl...

 

[Nerys Myk]

There are no shortages of "Flashes to chose from if Barry can't make it:
Wally West
Jai West
Iris West
Bart Allen
Don Allen
Dawn Allen
Jennie Ognats

Obviously.
However, there has only ever been one Vixen so they have to go brand new.
.

Kind of my point. Barry is the poster child for legacy heroes and pretty much wrote the book. So a bad example.

 

[dahj]

Kind of my point.

Your point ignores the crux of what I'm saying.
So let me rephrase it, if after Barry Allen appeared on Arrow when the Flash series was commissioned they at the last minute switched to Don Allen, don't you think that would be a slightly disappointing protagonist choice to fans of the Flash?

Legacy heroes are fine and all, and of course you can do great and interesting stuff with it, but this was supposed to be Vixen's first major exposure in live action, and it turns out it won't be the Vixen it will be a Vixen.

 

[theenglish]

Reminds me of some of the disappointments from Star Trek.

Nicolas Lacarno becoming Tom Paris or Kira Nerys replacing Ro Laren, for example.

Those were minor adjustments to minor characters but it still ticks me off to this day.

 

[Christopher]

Reminds me of some of the disappointments from Star Trek.

Nicolas Lacarno becoming Tom Paris or Kira Nerys replacing Ro Laren, for example.

Those were minor adjustments to minor characters but it still ticks me off to this day.

I think those changes were for the better in both cases. They ditched Locarno, not just for creator-rights reasons, but because they decided Locarno had been too unrepentant and wasn't ultimately a redeemable character. And Ro wouldn't have worked as well as Kira because Ro was a Starfleet officer, meaning she would've been required to obey Sisko's orders. Sure, she wasn't above questioning orders, but actually defying them would've cost Ro her job in short order, so she wouldn't have been able to be as strong a foil for Sisko as Kira was. Also, Ro didn't believe in Bajoran religion, so she wouldn't have been as effective a contrast to the Starfleet characters in that respect either.

To me, as a writer, it's surprising that so many laypeople see it as a "disappointment" when one idea is replaced with another, as if that were some kind of failure. On the contrary, it happens all the time in creativity; the first stab at an idea is rarely the best one. Even if you're required to abandon an idea for reasons beyond your control, it can still give you an opening to come up with something even better. Because the more obstacles you face, the more creative you have to be to get around them -- so in a creative field, obstacles are opportunities, not failures. (I mean, heck, George Lucas's plan A was to get the movie rights to Flash Gordon. When that didn't work, he made up Star Wars instead. Was that a disappointment?)