Game Of Thrones Season 6 Discussion (Spoilers)

[theenglish]

Did Brann seeing/hearing the Mad King suggest that he suffered the same fate as Hodor when he was shouting "burn them all", he was getting warged into the middle of a White Walker fight?

Damn, Benjen only appeared three times way back in season 1, no wonder I didn't remember him

In the books, even though he's physically not present, he's talked about enough that it is hard to forget he's lost out there in the North.

 

[Venardhi]

According to David and Dan, the show has revealed what the books haven't re: Coldhands.

Where? There is basically zero evidence pointing towards him being Benjen in the books and a good bit suggesting otherwise.

 

[Xerxes82]

Do the walkers have a weakness to warm climates? Can they only come down during winter or is the wall the only thing stopping them?

I can't recall if it's explicitly stated in the books, but it's at least heavily implied that they bring the winter with them. That it's always winter beyond the wall because of the (previously dormant?) presence of the Walkers, and that their spread south will result in permanent ice age throughout Westeros.

 

[intrinsical]

Oh silly Bran. You have the ability to look across all of time and space. You get your education in harnessing your powers by finding the Three Eyed Raven in the past and getting him to teach you.

 

[theenglish]

Where? There is basically zero evidence pointing towards him being Benjen in the books and a good bit suggesting otherwise.

This could be a case of the series combining two characters from the novels, or Martin was specifically using misdirection in the books.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Looks like Arya will kill the Waif and her face will be the one to pay the debt. Having her reject finishing her training at this point feels an awful lot like a waste of 2 seasons for her though.

I actually really like this development. To have her trying to find her place in the world, specifically at the cost of her own own identity, only to realize that her identity is too valuable to just give up that way. It's a good development for her (and it did give her training in the ways of an assassin, which is obviously useful to her, even if she hasn't learned how to wear other faces). The only tricky part will be coming with a believable way for her to escape the faceless, who are admittedly pretty bad enemies to have.

 

[Starkers]

Ah, I like that idea and would be a natural progression of the last two seasons. Hopefully, both of you are right on this count. I'm still hoping for Arya as a Faceless Man assassin.

Admittedly I haven't read the books, but surely if Arya becomes a faceless man she ceases to be Arya? Or are the Faceless men not quite the murder for the highest bidder organisation they appear to be? It seems a waste when her surviving family members are struggling across the narrow sea against those who took everything from them if Arya becomes just a killer for hire, and surely recent events have proven that she isn't cut out for that.

 

[Cyrus]

I actually really like this development. To have her trying to find her place in the world, specifically at the cost of her own own identity, only to realize that her identity is too valuable to just give up that way. It's a good development for her (and it did give her training in the ways of an assassin, which is obviously useful to her, even if she hasn't learned how to wear other faces). The only tricky part will be coming with a believable way for her to escape the faceless, who are admittedly pretty bad enemies to have.

Arya did use another face when she was a young prostitute going after Meryn Trant, so she has learned that trick.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Do the faceless Men control the Iron Bank or vice versa or are they independent? The Faceless Men would seem like an ideal way for the Iron Bank to safeguard their investments but we've already heard that the Faceless Men predate the Iron Bank.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I'm not convinced the faceless man isn't on Arya's side. He must have known Arya didn't throw away her sword.

Sam is starting to seem like if Bobby Hill grew up in Westeross. Hey, son of the lord of the hill!

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Arya did use another face when she was a young prostitute going after Meryn Trant, so she has learned that trick.

Right, I forgot about that. But I do wonder if she'd be able to continue doing it if they cut her off. I'm not very clear on how its supposed to work - is it a skill, or the favor of the faceless gods? Does it require periodic access to the giant hall of faces?

 

[137th Gebirg]

IIRC, Joaquin Hagal (sp?) changed his face right in front of Arya by controlling his muscle structure. It is my impression that the face masks are for the neophytes who are still learning to manipulate their own faces to match the shape of the masks. Masters can change their face at will without assistance of a prop.

 

[theenglish]

It's never been fully explained before but I think what happens is that when a face is borrowed a master of the technique can switch faces without having to return the previous face. Maybe its like D&D where you can wear more faces at once depending on your level? Arya can now wear a face but doesn't yet know how to make that switch?

Also, count me in the camp that the faceless man has known all along that Arya will never join the assassins but has chosen to train her as far as he can anyway. We don't really know if he expects her to be murdered or not.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

My alternative speculations for Arya's short-term future...

Speculation 1: Arya kills the Waif, wears the Waif's face to kill the faceless man (Jaqen H'ghar), and then joins the theatrical troupe who head off on tour to King's Landing. She must kill the faceless man as she cannot produce Arya's body or face as evidence that the deed is done.

Speculation 2: Arya kills the Waif and then joins the theatrical troupe who head off on tour to King's Landing. However, Jaqen now wants her dead even more and follows her to Westeros.

Speculation 3: Arya kills the Waif and heads off to Westeros on her own to join up with Jon and Sansa or to bump off people on her to-be-done-to-death list. However, Jaqen now wants her dead even more and follows her to Westeros.

Speculation 4: The waif kills Arya, wears Arya's face to insinuate herself into Jon's or Sansa's company, and performs assassinations on behalf of the Iron Bank that favour their balance sheet as they are pissed off at having lost their entire investment in Stannis.

I'm hoping my imagination has failed me and some other destiny awaits her...

 

[intrinsical]

I just had a crazy notion... What happens when The Mountain meets a White Walker?

 

[137th Gebirg]

^^^ Or better, what happens when The Mountain meets the White Walker Formerly Known as Hodor? Now THAT will be a battle for the bloody ages! Who would you root for? The dead, or the partly-dead?

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Can the faceless assassins change their height? It'd be tough for a non-child to pose as Arya.

Arya wore a face, but as she was not no one isn't that what caused her blindness?

 

[The Nth Doctor]

No, what caused her blindness was the mystery vial that the Waif forced to her drink as punishment for using the face.

 

[Starbreaker]

I think this might all be a ruse. Arya has passed her training, and the Waif has gone to give her the final test. They specifically avoided saying "she failed" during the conversation.

 

[DigificWriter]

Where? There is basically zero evidence pointing towards him being Benjen in the books and a good bit suggesting otherwise.

On the latest Inside the Episode featurette, Dan specifically refers to Benjen as "Coldhands".

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