I hear she's under suspicion for using her own private ravens to send messages about state business.
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Game Of Thrones Season 6 Discussion (Spoilers)
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Women are not permitted in the Citadel, where Sam was headed for his training as a maester to learn tactics to fight the White Walkers, so he planned on leaving Gilly and baby Sam with his parents at Horn Hill so they'd be provided for, since Castle Murderrape at the Wall wasn't safe for Wildlings, women, or infants.
I thought it was a fantastic episode. I like it when a lot a stories progress and they did, from start to finish, and it was great seeing lots of established character faces. This episode has got to be a record for that.
I worried about Sam for a time since last season. I wondered how he'd be treated, or respond to Thorne running the Night's Watch. Now I think his father is going to get that hunt he wanted.
I'm not sure what Bran's plan is now. From what I took from this episode, the White Walkers don't know where the southern Kingdoms are. Is that true in the books? I haven't read them but now I'm guessing the whole urgency of preparing for them was for the eventuality of them finding the rest of the world. Also, that dream sequence, was it just the past, or the future as well? He saw the dragon's fire stores ignite. Do they plan to blow up King's Landing?
From what we've seen from the Tyrrell mother and the Lannister twins, the High Sparrow's days has to be numbered. They've killed kings. He doesn't have a chance.
I'm not sure how Arya plans to get out of this new debacle she's in. Though she escaped Kings Landing, Harrenhall, and the Brotherhood without Banners, I don't see her escaping faceless assassins.
And the dragon was rendered quite nicely. I say this is the best he looked yet.
Bravo GoT.
I worried about Sam for a time since last season. I wondered how he'd be treated, or respond to Thorne running the Night's Watch. Now I think his father is going to get that hunt he wanted.
I'm not sure what Bran's plan is now. From what I took from this episode, the White Walkers don't know where the southern Kingdoms are. Is that true in the books? I haven't read them but now I'm guessing the whole urgency of preparing for them was for the eventuality of them finding the rest of the world. Also, that dream sequence, was it just the past, or the future as well? He saw the dragon's fire stores ignite. Do they plan to blow up King's Landing?
From what we've seen from the Tyrrell mother and the Lannister twins, the High Sparrow's days has to be numbered. They've killed kings. He doesn't have a chance.
I'm not sure how Arya plans to get out of this new debacle she's in. Though she escaped Kings Landing, Harrenhall, and the Brotherhood without Banners, I don't see her escaping faceless assassins.
And the dragon was rendered quite nicely. I say this is the best he looked yet.
Bravo GoT.
Oh Dany. That is so going to blow up in your face.
There is no scenario where turning a Dothrakki horde loose on Westeros doesn't turn into a disaster. They're not the disciplined, tightly regimented and (most importantly) *unimaginative* solders that the Unsullied are.
They're called a horde for a reason. Difficult to control at the best of times, but whipped up into a religious fervour? Good luck. And that's just one Dothrakki horde. This is *all* of them at once. Best you can do is aim them in the general direction of your enemies and stand well back. That's even assuming they don't start taking the initiative, as fanatics are wont to do.
Best case scenario: they arrive just in time to get mowed down by the Winter King's undead army, then the dragons roast the lot of them before they get up again.
There is no scenario where turning a Dothrakki horde loose on Westeros doesn't turn into a disaster. They're not the disciplined, tightly regimented and (most importantly) *unimaginative* solders that the Unsullied are.
They're called a horde for a reason. Difficult to control at the best of times, but whipped up into a religious fervour? Good luck. And that's just one Dothrakki horde. This is *all* of them at once. Best you can do is aim them in the general direction of your enemies and stand well back. That's even assuming they don't start taking the initiative, as fanatics are wont to do.
Best case scenario: they arrive just in time to get mowed down by the Winter King's undead army, then the dragons roast the lot of them before they get up again.
I find the whole thing with Dany potentially leading a Dothraki horde across the Narrow Sea just interesting from a cultural perspective. The entire history of Westeros has essentially been about one culture being overwhelmed by a new culture coming over from Essos. First it was the children of the forest dealing with the First Men, then the children and the First Men being invaded by the Andals, then the Rhoynar came over and took control of Dorne, then the Targaryens arrived and conquered the whole continent. If Dany's invasion succeeds the Dothraki would just be the latest in a long line of conquerors to come along and supplant the rulers. It would be interesting to see how Dothraki culture would be influenced by the established Westerosi culture.
Agreed. Arya is my second favorite character and I'm one of the few people who've seemed to really enjoy her Bravosi chapters and story arc on the show, but I would be very disappointed at that end game. Hell, I'm not happy with the direction the episode went with her here. Perhaps I'm projecting, but I was really into the idea of her becoming a Faceless Man, master assassin, losing her whole identity, and yet somehow gains the revenge she has desired since the beginning. Not sure how this new direction will go.
Not for a second. The whole time she was talking to Tommen, I felt like she continued to weave lies while she confessed her "desire to stop lying."
Finally. And perhaps this will finally lead up to the finale we've been wanting since season 3...
Lady Stoneheart, of course.
Not only is Jaime heading back to the Riverlands, but so is Brienne. Further, Walder Frey is reintroduced to the show as a reminder of his crimes and we get a mentioning of the Brotherhood Without Banners.
Not only is Jaime heading back to the Riverlands, but so is Brienne. Further, Walder Frey is reintroduced to the show as a reminder of his crimes and we get a mentioning of the Brotherhood Without Banners.
I was grinning from ear to ear the moment Benjen spoke in the first scene. I knew it was him from that moment. At long last!
And they weren't the only ones to return: The long-awaited return of Needle!
True, but Sam's balls dropped a little again when he decided to steal Heartsbane.
Great point and it's one I've thought of as well. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Unless Danyerys actually manages to break the wheel (which I doubt).
The one thing I didn't like about this episode is that it highlighted one of the biggest changes from the books that has bothered me: Jaime's character arc after returning to King's Landing with Brienne.
In the books, he becomes bitter, weary and disinterested by the politics of King's Landing and the machinations of Cersei, to the point that he becomes directly at odds with her (although they do make love at the feet of Joffrey's corpse, albeit depicted consentingly). Jaime willingly goes to Riverlands specifically so he can get away from Cersei.
This is the accumulation to his experiences with Brienne, including the lost of his hand. His pride and dignity were deeply wounded that affected him for the better.
Unfortunately, in the show, it seems that whole experience wore off him after a season (or sometime after Brienne left on her mission to find Sansa) and has more or less reverted to his old self.
This is the accumulation to his experiences with Brienne, including the lost of his hand. His pride and dignity were deeply wounded that affected him for the better.
Unfortunately, in the show, it seems that whole experience wore off him after a season (or sometime after Brienne left on her mission to find Sansa) and has more or less reverted to his old self.
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Fire has no effect on her. Why would puny sun rays? 
Dani sure knows how to work an audience, eh? Wowsers.
The High Sparrow is a clever, insidious bastard.
And who hasn't had a family dinner like that?
You've dated a wildling too? I thought it was just me.
I think the trick will be to send the Dothraki in first to wear down the opposition (and themselves) whilst keeping your better (and more obedient) troops in the rear.
I thought that was an ok episode. I think they spend too much time with Sam and co (much as I love Sam and Gilly) and guessing that sword is going to come in very handy.
The bit surprise was how things unfolded in Kings Landing. I, along with I think others, had figured Jamie and Cersai were tricking the Tyrells into being wiped out so I was firstly taken aback by Jamie riding with them, and then take aback once more when Tommen and Margaery took sides with the High Sparrow! I can't imagine Margaery isn't playing a long term game here given the last time we saw her there was no hint that she was starting to break.
I did always wonder what'd happened to the Tully who actually got married at the Red Wedding!
White Walkers can't cross the Wall because it was built specifically against them by including Magic that prevents them crossing. So unless they find a way to tear it down/blow it up or find a way around it they are stuck for now (the show didn't make this very clear i think because with that huge undead horde they could just swarm the wall, break through the gates and overwhelm the pitiful few Night's Watch Defenders who have even been more depleted by the Wildling assaults).
I think they are looking for ways to breach the Wall which is why the Three Eyed Raven was a priority target and since he's gone it's Bran now, maybe they think his abilities will either aide them or his death gives them free reign and they can breah the Wall.
Either way i think they full well know what's beyond the Wall and they want to get there to kill all men.
Dothraki aren't dumb, they can adapt or they'd be defeated very easily by a concerted effort of the Free Cities and a professional army. They are Martin's version of the Mongol Horde and in our history they came very close in defeating Europe that is the equivalent of Westeros with professional armies and Knights.
Dothraki respect strength and dtetermination which is why a small pink woman with white hair is now ruling them because she had the guts (and the magical power) to kill all Khals in a single action and that#s very much the Dothraki way ( walking out a burning building with no scratches also helps).
In addition she rides a huge, scaly, firebreathing mystical creature that could snap a man or horse in half without problems.
So she has the Dothraki under her thumb by exactly playing to their warlike, conquering nature. It doesn't matter that they don't have experience in Westeros combat tactics because their tactic, charging the enemy by the hundreds and thousands on horseback, is a viable tactic of their own and there's tens of thousands of them and they're very experienced and good in what they do.
So Dany has a shock element in her army with the Dothraki, she has professional soldiers with the Unsullied and the Second Sons who are adaptable and can deal with problems that a massed cavalry charge can't solve and on top of that she has 3 Dragons for psychological/terror warfare. I think she's set and has quite a good chance of taking Westeros, especially when all major power blocks have to deal with their own problems currently.
I'd wager the final battle will be with Dany's and Jon's forces (+ whatever Westeros factions won't be destroyed and submit under Dany's rule) against the White Walkers which will leave much of Westeros destroyed which would tie in with Martin's announcement that the end of the whole story will be bittersweet.
I think Denerys thinks she can really control them not to rape and pillage as they are accustomed to.
Do the walkers have a weakness to warm climates? Can they only come down during winter or is the wall the only thing stopping them?
Sam's father is exactly the asshole you pictured him as. One of the more recognizably realistic portrayals of assholery in the show.
Do the walkers have a weakness to warm climates? Can they only come down during winter or is the wall the only thing stopping them?
Sam's father is exactly the asshole you pictured him as. One of the more recognizably realistic portrayals of assholery in the show.
I think Rickon might well now be Dickoff, knowing Ramsay's modus operandi.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dickon
Aaaaanyway... so it looks like the show might be merging Benjen and Coldhands [if you're in the it's-not-him-in-the-books camp, as I am]. They've done a lot of blending of characters and situations already, so it fits in with their pattern. Makes me wonder if Benjen has a major role left in the books at all, given that this seems to be pretty much Coldhands' storyline.
Ramsey's not going to whittle at Rickon, I think he realizes that he did screw up Theon's value as a hostage.
A thought: Arya's showdown with the Waif is actually her final test.
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Looks like Arya will kill the Waif and her face will be the one to pay the debt. Having her reject finishing her training at this point feels an awful lot like a waste of 2 seasons for her though.
No one on the writing staff seems to know how to write Dany doing anything but speechifying. Sam's family reunion could have been cut in half to give her a couple minutes being Dany rather than the God-Queen of the Great Grass Sea. She's one of my favorite characters in the book but I have practically zero empathy or interest in her here apart from her place in the overall plot.
Benjen replacing Coldhands isn't surprising and it gives a decent payoff to the show's teasing of him. It works and I wonder if the whole obsidian heart thing will somehow come into play. Like all of the magic, they played it pretty fast and loose though, so it could easily just be some magicbabble to justify his existence.
Bran can now tree-warg without the tree? Bloodraven transferred the memory/wisdom of the line of Three Eyed Ravens into him or something? Needing a tree to warg through was one of the better motivations for getting back to Winterfell, but would that give the Night King free reign to cross the wall if Bran goes south of it? Establish some goddamn rules guys.
No one on the writing staff seems to know how to write Dany doing anything but speechifying. Sam's family reunion could have been cut in half to give her a couple minutes being Dany rather than the God-Queen of the Great Grass Sea. She's one of my favorite characters in the book but I have practically zero empathy or interest in her here apart from her place in the overall plot.
Benjen replacing Coldhands isn't surprising and it gives a decent payoff to the show's teasing of him. It works and I wonder if the whole obsidian heart thing will somehow come into play. Like all of the magic, they played it pretty fast and loose though, so it could easily just be some magicbabble to justify his existence.
Bran can now tree-warg without the tree? Bloodraven transferred the memory/wisdom of the line of Three Eyed Ravens into him or something? Needing a tree to warg through was one of the better motivations for getting back to Winterfell, but would that give the Night King free reign to cross the wall if Bran goes south of it? Establish some goddamn rules guys.
According to David and Dan, the show has revealed what the books haven't re: Coldhands.
Ah, I like that idea and would be a natural progression of the last two seasons. Hopefully, both of you are right on this count. I'm still hoping for Arya as a Faceless Man assassin.
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