DC Comics: Rebirth

[Dick Whitman]

I am curious what these changes will have on future DC Animated movies? I would like to see the Lois, Clark, and Jonathan stories adapted. They could cut out them being from an alternate Earth. Would be a perfect place for Dean Cain and Teri Hatcher to voice their characters again.

 

[TheSeeker]

It's not a bad design, although I think the Joker looked great the way Capullo was drawing him at the end of his run on Batman.

 

[Saga]

I am curious what these changes will have on future DC Animated movies? I would like to see the Lois, Clark, and Jonathan stories adapted. They could cut out them being from an alternate Earth. Would be a perfect place for Dean Cain and Teri Hatcher to voice their characters again.

as most of the animated films are Batman or JLA centric i doubt we will see that version of Superman anytime soon.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

There are spoilers out on the 'net about the DC Rebirth special.

One of the spoilers is, frankly, a bit mind-boggling. It's something that I've thought about, either as an Elseworlds hook or as backstory for Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, and I'm really curious how DC will develop the idea going forward. It's going to be controversial, but I like it, and it has potential down the road, imho.

 

[kirk55555]

There are spoilers out on the 'net about the DC Rebirth special.

One of the spoilers is, frankly, a bit mind-boggling. It's something that I've thought about, either as an Elseworlds hook or as backstory for Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, and I'm really curious how DC will develop the idea going forward. It's going to be controversial, but I like it, and it has potential down the road, imho.

Spoiler: Rebirth

Wally is back, which is cool. But, more importantly, the Original JSA is back!!!!!! I don't even care about the Watchmen characters being in universe and responsible for the New 52. I'm just hyped for these returns. I'm super excited. Even if its not a great event, its doing some cool stuff. I haven't been this excited for DC comics in a long time. It will probably not be a great comic company again until Harras and Didio leave, but I think this has a lot of potential. Bring on Rebirth!

 

[Hound of UIster]

There are spoilers out on the 'net about the DC Rebirth special.

One of the spoilers is, frankly, a bit mind-boggling. It's something that I've thought about, either as an Elseworlds hook or as backstory for Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, and I'm really curious how DC will develop the idea going forward. It's going to be controversial, but I like it, and it has potential down the road, imho.

It's interesting. Pre-FP, Geoff Johns apparently had his hands in many of the upcoming books and had selected the creative teams for Kid Flash, Hawkman, Firestorm, Animal Man and Swamp Thing (his people on Firestorm/Hawkman were kicked off around the time of the reboot), his pulling back had been assumed to be him on the losing side of power struggle at DC. But it seems like from this vantage point and his recent interview that he (like Morrison) really wasn't a fan of the reboot and this is his attempt at reversing it.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Newsarama gives the Rebirth special a 10/10. They say it's a repudiation of the grim-and-gritty tendency of comics over the last thirty years.

 

[kirk55555]

Newsarama gives the Rebirth special a 10/10. They say it's a repudiation of the grim-and-gritty tendency of comics over the last thirty years.

I really hope that's the case. Although, to be fair, the "grim and grittyness"in comics has mostly been DC, at least for the past 5 years. Marvel hasn't been like that since the 90s. Still, I'm hoping we see DC have a turn around when it comes to quality with Rebirth.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

I don't get to read the "Rebirth" special till my monthly subscription package arrives from the comic book store early next month. Gotta avoid those spoilerish spoilers.

 

[The Lensman]

Newsarama gives the Rebirth special a 10/10. They say it's a repudiation of the grim-and-gritty tendency of comics over the last thirty years.

It is truly pathetic watching DC shit on the biggest classic they've ever produced in an effort to con people into thinking they're "repudiating" anything when it's nothing more than them doing everything they can to deflect attention away from their piss poor editorial decisions and refusing to take responsibility for them.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I liked

Spoiler

Watchmen

but I've read better books from DC.

 

[kirk55555]

Spoiler: Rebirth

Its weird to see peoples reactions to the spoilers. I really couldn't care less about Watchmen. I've never been able to finish the comic. Its the only Alan Moore story (that I've read) that I thought was bad. I only know the whole story because I watched the (tolerable) movie (its the only example I know of Zach Snyder making both a movie that isn't horrible, and with that improving the source material).

So, I can easily ignore that stuff and just take in the good. Wally West is back. My favorite superhero team, the original JSA, is back (in some form, at least). I don't care if Doctor Manhattan made the universe or if there are 3 Jokers or whatever. All I know is that some cool stuff is happening. DC could easily screw any or all of this Rebirth up, but I'm still excited.

 

[The Lensman]

Spoiler

I'm not interested in seeing Wally as Kid Flash again. Wally hasn't been Kid Flash since before you were born and I'm not interested in seeing him be anything other than The Flash, even if it's The Flash of Earth - T(he Earth before we screwed it all up. If they can screw up Watchmen like this, then I have no hope they won't screw up anything else.

I'm also not interested in seeing the JSA as geriatrics again. I want them back either in their prime, or in their late 40's, early 50's. It's also time to get them away from WW2 for reasons I've stated before. Wally, along with Ted Knight, are my favorite DC heroes after Jack Knight, and the JSA has been my favorite super hero group since 1975

 

[kirk55555]

Spoiler

I'm not interested in seeing Wally as Kid Flash again. Wally hasn't been Kid Flash since before you were born and I'm not interested in seeing him be anything other than The Flash, even if it's The Flash of Earth - T(he Earth before we screwed it all up. If they can screw up Watchmen like this, then I have no hope they won't screw up anything else.

I'm also not interested in seeing the JSA as geriatrics again. I want them back either in their prime, or in their late 40's, early 50's. It's also time to get them away from WW2 for reasons I've stated before. Wally, along with Ted Knight, are my favorite DC heroes after Jack Knight, and the JSA has been my favorite super hero group since 1975

Spoiler: Rebirth

Are they actually keeping Wally as Kid Flash? I kind of assumed he'd arrive in the costume, but not stay that way. He looks like an adult in the pic, probably the same age as Nightwing, Arsenal, etc.

As for the JSA, I'm assuming by "original" I think they mean something like Geoff Johns JSA. So, a legacy group with some of the old members still around, like Alan Scott, Wildcat and Jay Garrick, but with people like star Girl, Cyclone, etc as well. I don't think the spoilers meant that the JSA were like the Convergence issue where they were aged to "realistic" ages because of the dome or anything. So, yeah, some members would be dead of old age or retired, but while I love all of the pre-reboot JSA incarnations the Johns mixed generation JSA was always my favorite, so I hope that's what we get. I wouldn't be against some resurrections of dead members, though (like The Atom or Sandman). Regardless, I'm just glad to get some form of the old JSA back. It is basically guaranteed to be an improvement over the lame New 52 "Earth 2" characters.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Spoiler

I'm not interested in seeing Wally as Kid Flash again. Wally hasn't been Kid Flash since before you were born and I'm not interested in seeing him be anything other than The Flash, even if it's The Flash of Earth - T(he Earth before we screwed it all up. If they can screw up Watchmen like this, then I have no hope they won't screw up anything else.

I'm also not interested in seeing the JSA as geriatrics again. I want them back either in their prime, or in their late 40's, early 50's. It's also time to get them away from WW2 for reasons I've stated before. Wally, along with Ted Knight, are my favorite DC heroes after Jack Knight, and the JSA has been my favorite super hero group since 1975

Spoiler

Since there's still a younger and black Wally in the Teen Titans perhaps Pre-FP Wally will get a new ID.

The Watchman series still exists. It can't be "screwed" by using it to launch new storylines. Nothing is going to change those comics because the characters appear in a different book . Same for Starman. Sandman or any other "classic".

As for the JSA, I agree. Forget WWII. Even in the 40's most of the JSA's adventures weren't war related. Make them the previous generation of heroes, twenty/thirty years before the present.

 

[kirk55555]

Spoiler: Rebirth

They already took the JSA out of WW2. Its called Earth 2/Earth 2 Society, and its pretty mediocre. If you want younger JSA characters (who are also written horribly and barely related to the original characters outside of names), go there. Hopefully Rebirth will bring the original JSA, with its (in universe) 70+ year history

 

[Nerys Myk]

Spoiler: Rebirth

They already took the JSA out of WW2. Its called Earth 2/Earth 2 Society, and its pretty mediocre. If you want younger JSA characters (who are also written horribly and barely related to the original characters outside of names), go there. Hopefully Rebirth will bring the original JSA, with its (in universe) 70+ year history

Spoiler

I'm talking about returning the JSA to what they were in the 60's. Heroes in their forties and fifities who had retired but decided to become active again after meeting the JLA. That was the status quo for a decade or more. WWII was never mentioned. And as I mentioned the majority of the JSA's Golden Age adventures were not related to WWII. Their continuity remains intact, just as heroes created in the 60's retain their's without ever mentioning Vietnam, the Beatles and miniskirts.

 

[kirk55555]

Spoiler

I'm talking about returning the JSA to what they were in the 60's. Heroes in their forties and fifities who had retired but decided to become active again after meeting the JLA. That was the status quo for a decade or more. WWII was never mentioned. And as I mentioned the majority of the JSA's Golden Age adventures were not related to WWII. Their continuity remains intact, just as heroes created in the 60's retain their's without ever mentioning Vietnam, the Beatles and miniskirts.

Spoiler: Rebirth

Well, the JSA of Earth-2 pre-crisis (when Power Girl and the Helena Wayne were introduced, etc) were very definitely supposed to have been active in WWII. Star Spangled Kid of Earth 2 (who became a hero after most of the JSA heroes) fought until the 50s, then got trapped in time for 20 years until the JSA saves him in the 70s. That was from Pre-Crisis and I think it still counted post crisis from what I remember (although he was trapped for longer obviously). So, really, the 70s JSA was just as much a WW2 founded group, and fought villains they first met in WW2.

Heck, DC Special #29 from 1977, a comic that ties into the JSA stories running in All Star Comics at the time, was retelling their origin in WW2. Going even futher back, I don't know if they mentioned WW2 much in the pre-All Star Comics JLA/JSA team ups that reintroduced the JSA, but "Flash of Two Worlds" in 1961 established Jay Garrick as having became The Flash on Earth 2 in 1940, and that all of his old comic stories happened (and I know he fought Nazi's in at least some stories)..

So, as far as I can tell, the JSA have been a WW2 connected super team in every incarnation until the New 52 reboot. Even if it gets mentioned more or less depending on the run. Even as time went by and WW2 was more in the past, they still were originally a WW2 group, they just started getting excuses as to why they didn't age as much (or died of old age, like the original Sandman).

 

[theenglish]

Even though I read two months behind, I think I"m actually going to pick this up on Wednesday. The price tag is decent, and I don't know if I can avoid spoilers for two months just to save a dollar.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Spoiler: Rebirth

Well, the JSA of Earth-2 pre-crisis (when Power Girl and the Helena Wayne were introduced, etc) were very definitely supposed to have been active in WWII. Star Spangled Kid of Earth 2 (who became a hero after most of the JSA heroes) fought until the 50s, then got trapped in time for 20 years until the JSA saves him in the 70s. That was from Pre-Crisis and I think it still counted post crisis from what I remember (although he was trapped for longer obviously). So, really, the 70s JSA was just as much a WW2 founded group, and fought villains they first met in WW2.

Heck, DC Special #29 from 1977, a comic that ties into the JSA stories running in All Star Comics at the time, was retelling their origin in WW2. Going even futher back, I don't know if they mentioned WW2 much in the pre-All Star Comics JLA/JSA team ups that reintroduced the JSA, but "Flash of Two Worlds" in 1961 established Jay Garrick as having became The Flash on Earth 2 in 1940, and that all of his old comic stories happened (and I know he fought Nazi's in at least some stories)..

So, as far as I can tell, the JSA have been a WW2 connected super team in every incarnation until the New 52 reboot. Even if it gets mentioned more or less depending on the run. Even as time went by and WW2 was more in the past, they still were originally a WW2 group, they just started getting excuses as to why they didn't age as much (or died of old age, like the original Sandman).

Spoiler

Did you miss the part where I said "The 60s"? The 70's was when the WWII fetish began creeping in, The DC Special story is a retcon not a retelling. The JSA had no origin in the Golden Age. The team was fully formed in their first appearance. The Star Spangled-Kid debuted in 1941, less than a year after the JSA and a year or two after the individual members in the original line up. He's pretty much a contemporary. His last GA appearance was in 1948. The "youngest" member of the GA JSA was Black Canary who didn't debut 1947.