Lucifer - Season 1

[Christopher]

The Sandman comics version of Lucifer which is where the inspiration for the series came from was based on either Sting or David Bowie, I can't remember for sure.

Aren't you thinking of John Constantine? He was modeled on Sting.

 

[JD]

That could be. It would explain why I couldn't find anything on Wikipedia about who he was based on. Even if that is the case he is still blond in the comics.

 

[Gov Kodos]

I didn't get that one. Unless it's a reference to Dashiell Hammett writing that Sam Spade "looked rather pleasantly like a blond Satan," which is the only connection I could turn up on Google.

The show is always best when it delves into the mythology behind its premise and into Lucifer's psychology beyond the snarky sex-fiend business. I like the idea that he resents getting blamed for evil when his job was actually to punish evil. Although he's never seemed to care that much about the death of innocents before it was blamed on him.

And the mystery of Chloe's true nature is also interesting, so I'm glad that's finally become part of the text. Lucifer is basically going through the same theories that the audience has been considering online. I hope we get the answer in next week's season finale.

Unusual for an episode of a mystery procedural to end with the killer identified but not arrested. But I guess this is effectively a 2-parter. Anyway, I have to admit, I expected the crazy street preacher to be the actual killer. I figured that pretty much from the moment he stormed into the theater. Although it was implausible that the detectives would mistake what was obviously an upside-down W cufflink for an M. Maybe if they'd used a different font, it could've worked, but nobody would look at a W shaped like that -- with serifs, no less! -- and see an M.



That scene didn't make sense to me. After all, he saw her naked a couple of weeks ago. Wouldn't he have gotten a look at her back then?

Lucifer is blonde in the comic book this is derived from. Checking her back, he may not have been paying attention to her back when she was shouting about the '5 star hell hole.'

 

[Christopher]

Fridge logic time: They really downgraded Chloe's detective abilities to force that cliffhanger. If Lucifer had killed the preacher, would he have just left the body lying there in plain sight behind the bar, then acted totally calm when a police detective came in and wandered over to where she would find the body? Wouldn't he have either moved the body or tried to prevent Chloe from noticing it? So it makes no sense for her to think he's the killer.

 

[Velocity]

Since there were a lot of cops there, it looked like someone might have called them about a body being there. Malcolm or Amendial?

 

[Ed Sanders]

So far the only human who has hurt Lucifer is Chloe, I believe. I can understand not wanting to test the theory out with guns again, but I wonder if he is vulnerable to other humans?

Good call...I guess not!

 

[Gov Kodos]

Good call...I guess not!

One theory I've seen bouncing around comes from the pilot where Chloe got shot and Lucifer said he wouldn't let her die. Promising something so selfless, Father transferred Lucifer's invulnerability to Chloe when they are together so she won't die with him. Can anyone recall Chloe getting injured when she and Lucifer have been together? It would make a neat twist on a gunfight with Malcolm next episode with Chloe saving Lucifer by taking the hit and finding herself unharmed.

 

[kitik]

Oh, I like that theory.

And yeah, I like fully-off-the-deep-end Malcolm too.

Also liked Maze breaking up the fight between the 2 brothers. And I liked Lucifer's paranoia.

All in all, a great episode.

About the only thing that was a little off was the repeated mention of Mike Carey. They were really hitting us over the head with the mention of Mike Carey. Thye wanted to make sure everyone heard them mention the name Mike Carey. Not that Mike isn't totally deserving of mentions and namedrops on this show, it was just a bit heavy handed. (Though yes, he deserves even more than what he got.)

But yeah, definitely coming to a head here. Sad that there's only one more episode. I want more.

 

[dahj]

The Sandman comics version of Lucifer which is where the inspiration for the series came from was based on either Sting or David Bowie, I can't remember for sure.

He was based on Bowie:

 

[JD]

Thank you. I'm glad to know I wasn't totally mistaken there.

 

[publiusr]

The show is always best when it delves into the mythology behind its premise and into Lucifer's psychology beyond the snarky sex-fiend business. I like the idea that he resents getting blamed for evil when his job was actually to punish evil.

That's why I'm hoping for something similar to PREACHER.

Lucifer's enemy should be Ialdabaoth a true father of evil--the accuser from Blake's painting
http://www.kingsacademy.com/mhodges...lake/Blake_1795-1805_Elohim-Creating-Adam.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...b_Evil_Dreams_Detail_bb421_1_13-12_ps_300.jpg
http://www.britannica.com/topic/Ialdabaoth

This entity would be the Boltzmann brain, the Sha Ka ree type One. This entity gave rise to physicality--but sentient life's ideas about God influenced the brain--the stature of Zeus by Phideas--that became the Soul-Raker of the early Church.

If enough people think God is Fred Phelps given the power of Q--then that is what Ialdabaoth becomes.:

Urizen. (You're reason) or HORIZON--to steal a quote.

I can see Ialdabaoth as a rocket engineer, shades of Jack Parsons
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Parsons_(rocket_engineer)

A diabolist who wanted a more direct assault on the heavens--member of the one true church of the heavy lift. Talking throw-weight. The polar opposite of Gaia--that might be what Chloe is.

Twas this "lubber fiend" that Milton and Blake imagined assaulting the heavens--with rockets this time--not cannon.


http://www.kingsacademy.com/mhodges...Blake_1826_Body-of-Abel-Found-by-Adam+Eve.jpg

 

[Commander Richard]

Season finale...





Spoilers...





That's a new one. Who's mum?

 

[Christopher]

That's a new one. Who's mum?

I thought he said "Blum." I have no idea who that is, though.

I'm disappointed that the season ended without an explanation for Chloe's nature, why she makes Lucifer vulnerable and is immune to his mojo.

 

[Commander Richard]

I thought he said "Blum." I have no idea who that is, though.

"Mum", British for mom or mother. God is dad so who could possibly fill this other role?

 

[Gov Kodos]

Ashera would be one, god's wife in the pre-Babylonian period when polytheism was more common among the Israelite's?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asherah

Another possibility would be to use Lilith but she's more associated with Adam as his first wife and mother of demons.

Or someone else, of course. Whoever it is, she could be tied to Chloe and this immortality effect?

 

[Gov Kodos]

Double posting wifi

 

[Christopher]

"Mum", British for mom or mother. God is dad so who could possibly fill this other role?

Yes, I'm perfectly well aware of British usage; I've been a fan of British TV since I was a child. But what I heard him say did not sound like "Mum" to me. The first time, it sounded like "Lum," and when they replayed that bit during the next-season preview with the credits, it sounded like "Blum." I didn't hear an "M" at the beginning.

 

[Ovation]

Was clearly Mum on my sound system.

 

[Christopher]

I guess "Mum" would make more sense as a cliffhanger revelation than "Blum." I tried Googling Lucifer + Blum, and all I found was that Steve Blum played Lucifer in an animated home-video movie adaptation of Dante's Inferno.

 

[Commander Richard]

Maybe something is going on with your sound system. Everyone including the show runner is talking about his mother.