DS9 on blu ray?
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BTW, I said "whatever 4K format reigns supreme".
By then, internet speeds and bandwidth may have caught up where streaming will look just as good as 4K UHD discs.
We may be all digital by then.
By then, internet speeds and bandwidth may have caught up where streaming will look just as good as 4K UHD discs.
We may be all digital by then.
My Blu-ray Enterprise boxset arrived yesterday. My God, large parts of Broken Bow look absolutely appalling. 
No wonder Trek fans won't buy enough of the available series on Blu-ray when CBS are putting out this kind of crap.
No wonder Trek fans won't buy enough of the available series on Blu-ray when CBS are putting out this kind of crap.
Except this is the best most of this material will ever look and the special features are second to none. Yet people still weren't buying. We look to make this CBS' fault when it really isn't.
And gloating about getting the complete TNG or Enterprise series for $50 or $60 bucks is driving a stake through the possibility of getting Deep Space Nine or Voyager restored.
Fans needed to put their collective money where their mouths were and didn't.
Many parts of ENT were actually originally rendered in 480p and upscaled to 1080p for the Blu-ray release. The parts rendered at 1080p were only originally scanned at that resolution because the aliasing on some of the CG effects would have looked too extreme if they were just upscaled from 480p. That's why the ENT Blu-rays may not look half as good as TOS or TNG Remastered, which were taken from a 2K source.My Blu-ray Enterprise boxset arrived yesterday. My God, large parts of Broken Bow look absolutely appalling.
No wonder Trek fans won't buy enough of the available series on Blu-ray when CBS are putting out this kind of crap.
What does this even mean? People should go out of their way to find the most expensive option possible?
How dare they buy Blu-rays at a reasonable and convenient price!
If you're waiting for it to be as cheap as possible, don't bellyache over the fact that CBS doesn't see the other two shows as a profitable venture.
I'm all for taking advantage of a good deal, but fans should be honest with themselves.
If you wait to buy the complete Star Trek: The Next Generation on Blu-Ray until it comes down to $70 (the equivalent to the £50 mentioned in this thread), CBS Studios, Inc. barely made anything on that sale. That's a 41-disc set, and once you back out the cost of manufacturing, Amazon's percentage, and any royalties due, there isn't a lot of profit leftover -- certainly not enough profit to convince CBS that it should invest millions of dollars into Star Trek: Deep Space Nine or Star Trek: Voyager.
At least Star Trek: The Next Generation is still being syndicated, offering CBS another avenue to recoup its investment in restoring the series for HD. When was the last time Star Trek: Deep Space Nine or Star Trek: Voyager were on television in the United States?
I've already admitted that I'm part of the problem. It's not, however, something I feel bad about. Being what I'd call semi-retired I'm on a fixed income, I pick up shows I want when the price drops low enough. They all do if you're patient, and I couldn't get them otherwise.
I'm not forcing the retailers to remainder these boxsets - they're doing so for business reasons, but it helps me. Unfortunately, it doesn't help my favourite show DS9 get a HD release, which is a shame.
I did, however, get it on DVD for a very good price last year...
Well yes and no. It all depends on what margin of the sale the studio gets back from each sale. A lower retail price whilst also carrying a lower amount of profit for each sale can actually earn a higher overall profit. It all depends on sales volume.
Just because DSN and VOY aren't being syndicated in the US doesn't mean they aren't being syndicated in other countries.
CBS made exactly what they wanted on each and every Blu-ray set of TNG that was sold. They charge wholesalers and huge retailers like Amazon a pre arranged price based on the volume of stock which those wholesalers and retailers are buying. It's the retailers who then stick a 500% mark up, or whatever they think the market will bear, on the sets, which is how most retailers were arriving at $60-70 per TNG set in the US, and £55-60 in the UK.
Now, if those sets suddenly drop to $30 or £25 because the retailers can't shift them at $60, it's the retailers that are losing out, not CBS. CBS has already had its money, although I'll admit that as sales were poor, retailers wouldn't have been buying any more units.
Now, I bet CBS was selling those TNG sets to Amazon for a pittance due to Amazon being the biggest bully in town. That's CBS' own fault entirely. If CBS didn't make enough money on the sets, it's their fault. Not the fault of customers for not buying them. If CBS wanted to shift TNG on Blu and make a decent return, it should've sold direct to customers.
I very much doubt TOS and TNG will ever be UHD.
Already on blu-ray you're seeing far more than people ever saw first run.
In terms of what you say about it "isn't smart" to buy Trek on blu-ray, all I can do is sigh with sadness. What a pity that even a fan of the shows doesn't see the amazing value there in the blu-ray sets for TNG. Since you're a new fan, maybe you'll change your mind in time as you think it over....?
True, the retailers could have been sat on stock they had already paid for and which was sitting gathering dust in their warehouses. BTW the £55-60 is in the region of US$82-90. It's almost as if when they bring it to the UK they just change the $ sign for the £ sign and expect us not to thing we are being fleeced.
Exactly this. You can't blame fans for your product not selling enough. CBS didn't make enough sales, they're looking at what they did wrong and not us, and rightfully so. Whether it's a mixture of selling the box sets at too high of a price or not enough marketing being done, they were in the wrong. What's even crazier is fans complaining about others now buying them at a cheaper price.
Why though? Sony have already began releasing a bunch of movies on 4K UHD, in a few years time, I can see CBS wanting to get a chunk of that UHD pie. Transferring them over to UHD will be incredibly easier this time, they won't have to go back and clean up everything like they did for Blu-ray. It'll cut a large amount of the costs and make it a much quicker process. There will be demand for it when 4K TV monitors become the standard by the end of this decade.
I don't see the point if I've seen both on Netflix and a new physical format is coming out with a bang. If you already have TOS and TNG Blu-ray, that's good for you. But for a new fan in 2016 who's just watched both (or most of both) on Netflix, like me, and is anticipating 4K media, I don't see why you shouldn't wait just a little while more.
Incidentally, I got most of my complete series Trek boxsets from Zoom, who I believe are a Sony/Universal outlet.
"We spent millions doing an unprecedented restoration of 178 episodes of a TV series and it is our fault people didn't buy the sets."
Some folks have a tenuous grip on reality. There was plenty of advertising for these sets, Trekkies were aware of the project a year before the first season released. CBS even did a sampler disc ("Encounter at Farpoint", "Sins of the Father", "The Inner Light") so people could get a taste of what the remastered show would look like. Then just prior to seasons one and two releasing, there were one-night theatrical runs of select episodes.
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Gen...eywords=star+trek+the+next+generation+blu+ray
So, you're right. CBS did nothing to push these sets or let fans know they existed.
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