‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’

[Icemizer]

But Kirk55555 you don't like either of the original versions of Superman or Batman as presented in the comics either. You like the refined heavily changed from their origins mid 70's to late 70's versions. You don't like the original Suicide Squad, but the Ostrander version which bears no resemblance to the teams first 6 issue run in Brave and the Bold.
Someone like Ostrander had a great idea to tell a story that only used the Suicide Squad name and nothing else. Was that a cheap gimmick? I bet there were a few fans ( one or two old timers) who were really upset the original team was not involved.
Every comic character has gone through a multitude of changes not only in their comic lives but every time they have transferred to another media.
Imagine an internet in uproar in 1978 when Clark Kent is portrayed as a bungling buffoon in Superman. How dare they alter the character that George Reeves played with such style in The Adventures of Superman!
To miss quote BSG, it has happened before and will happen again

 

[Nerys Myk]

I've been reading that Stark since I got into comics, several years before the movie. Same with thor, he's pretty much the same as he was in Lee's run, just with more understandable english. Scarlet Witch got screwed by the X-Men deal, but she's still closer to the comics then anything DC has done since probably Richard Donner's Superman

I was reading Iron Man and Thor when Lee was writing and comics were sold off spinner racks in convenience stores for 12 cents a pop. So no, Iron Man as written by Lee wasn't the snarky narcissist popularized by RDJ and Thor was not a meathead. All it takes is a few "thees" and "thous" to render English hard to understand? I was reading them as a six year old and could parse it So,Scarlet Witch as a non Mutant with mind control powers and no trace of her comic book personality is closer to the comics than any thing DC has done?

 

[JD]

Well, the Incredible Hulk TV show was terrible and Catwoman hasn't been written well in almost half a decade when it comes to the comics.

Just out of curiousity do you dislike The Incredible Hulk show just because it's not like the comics, or because of the quality of the writing, acting, ect. Sure it's not going to stand up to the best of today's TV, but for it's time and the type of show that it was it's pretty good.

I just don't understand what the hell is the point of using a character's name if you refuse to use the actual character. At that point, its a cheap ploy to get fans to see your movie/TV. Either use the character, or make one up. Don't use cheap name recognition to trick people into watching a horrible original character. The general audience won't care either way, so you're basically just telling the fans to f&*k off. Its like if WB made Harry Potter into a heroin addict in the HP movies. People would have complained, but its just as legitimate a change as making Superman a murderer. You don't here people saying "Oh, they totally should have ignored the books and turned Harry Potter into something else", do you? If you want the name recongnition, use the real character.

Ok, now your just be ridiculous. Of course I wouldn't want them to make those kind changes, but I do understand that we aren't going to get an exact replication of what we see in the pages. Even the Incredible Hulk TV series kept the basics of the character, that he was a scientist who experimented with Gamma Radiation and now turns into the Hulk. I admit the old stuff like the Captain America movies that don't use the WWII backstory or the Super Soldier Serum did change things to much, but just because some people changed took things to far in the past means that all changes are bad. I just don't see the changes to Harley or any of the other DC characters as being that drastic. Like I said before, I love Harley (Ok, I'll admit I haven't read any comics with her yet, but I have watched Batman: The Animated Series, and played the LEGO and Arkham games, and Injustice), and it still looks to me like they have done a great job of capturing the what makes her Harley. She is just a darker version of the character to fit in with the tone of the movie.

Movies can be made easily with the comic book characters, marvel proved that time and time again. Even when Marvel changes stuff, they keep the core of the characters, and aren't ashamed to look at the comics. If I'm watching a superhero movies, I want to see the actual hero, not some Hollywood Hack's original character he grafted the name of a old character on to.

Of course they can, but they never have been. Even the best Marvel movies have made changes to the characters. I do prefer that they stick closer to the comics, and the fact that the Marvel movies have stuck pretty close is great, but it's not the only thing that makes them great, they are also just plain good movies. Accuracy to the source material is great, but it's not all that matters.
EDIT: I was just looking through the first collection of the Palmiotti/Conner series, and the behavior of that Haryley, going by the art at least, really doesn't seem that far off from the movie version. Now, I know Kirk55555 is probably going to say that that's a New52 comics, and it's stupid and doesn't count, but it's still a version of the character in DC material and so IMO at least does set a precedent.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Well, the Incredible Hulk TV show was terrible

You are dead to me, man.

 

[kirk55555]

Just out of curiousity do you dislike The Incredible Hulk show just because it's not like the comics, or because of the quality of the writing, acting, ect.

I hate the attitude of the moron in charge of the show, but even without it the little I've seen of the show was super formulaic, and the Hulk was very, very lame (and barely in it, ithe show was like the 70s Wonder Woman TV show in that regard).

EDIT: I was just looking through the first collection of the Palmiotti/Conner series, and the behavior of that Haryley, going by the art at least, really doesn't seem that far off from the movie version. Now, I know Kirk55555 is probably going to say that that's a New52 comics, and it's stupid and doesn't count, but it's still a version of the character in DC material and so IMO at least does set a precedent.

Yeah, its a horrible New 52 comic written by horrible writers. Like I said earlier, There are bad versions of characters in comics. At one point Batman carried a gun, but you won't see that in a movie. Using another companies example, deadpool started out as a completely generic mercenary with no real personality or any of his trademark humor.

For less ancient examples, one Spider-Man story had Mary Jane watson die because of Peter's radioactive...sexual fluids. I can't see that making it on screen. In the New 52, the Amazon's were changed from proud ancient warriors and/or souls of fallen women into warriors who are also murderers and rapists. You probably won't see that even in DC's movies. To me, New 52 Harley is like that stuff. It exists, and is related to one version of a character, but its not remotely connected to the actual version of that character. In twenty years, Harley will still be remembered for Batman: The Animated series and similar adventures, not because the New 52 comics turned her into a mass murderer that had her skin dyed white and talked to a stuffed beaver (which is the level of humor you get from the New 52 writers).

 

[JD]

But it exists, it's released by DC, and I believe it's been really popular, so it's just as legitimate as the version in B:TAS and the pre-New 52 comics. I don't remember seeing anybody complain about how Harley is presented in the comics, so obviously a lot of Harley fans are happy with what it's done.

 

[kirk55555]

But it exists, it's released by DC, and I believe it's been really popular, so it's just as legitimate as the version in B:TAS and the pre-New 52 comics. I don't remember seeing anybody complain about how Harley is presented in the comics, so obviously a lot of Harley fans are happy with what it's done.

Its not a top seller, although it obviously makes enough to keep getting printed. A lot of bad comics get printed, though, that doesn't make them good. There is only one legitimate version of Harley, the original. Without her, there is no crappy murderer Harley. Its the only reason Harley is popular. Try putting the New 52 Harley in, say, one of the Batman Arkham games, and see if anyone just swoons over her inclusion. She's the Harley that the moron making Suicide Squad likes, and the hack editors of DC Comics want. There is a reason that Marvel comics is kicking DC Comic's ass in sales and market share, and its because of stuff like New 52 Harley.

 

[Thestral]

Eh, all I'll say is that if you don't want the comic version of a character, don't use the character at all. There is a reason the character became popular, and a reason why anyone would want to see them in a movie.

I'm very grateful that Batman: The Animated Series didn't follow this strategy with Mr. Freeze.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Its not a top seller, although it obviously makes enough to keep getting printed. A lot of bad comics get printed, though, that doesn't make them good. There is only one legitimate version of Harley, the original. Without her, there is no crappy murderer Harley. Its the only reason Harley is popular. Try putting the New 52 Harley in, say, one of the Batman Arkham games, and see if anyone just swoons over her inclusion. She's the Harley that the moron making Suicide Squad likes, and the hack editors of DC Comics want. There is a reason that Marvel comics is kicking DC Comic's ass in sales and market share, and its because of stuff like New 52 Harley.

Would anybody spot the difference? I'm looking at pictures the Arkham Harley and she seems closer to the New52 take than Dini's version

 

[Enterprise is Great]

Is Aquaman gonna be a blonde? This pic that Jason Momoa put on Instagram says he will be...https://www.instagram.com/p/BDJAsrkPHIj/

 

[dahj]

Its not a top seller, although it obviously makes enough to keep getting printed.

It's the third best selling DC book, after Batman and Justice League.

 

[Mr Light]

<<Is Aquaman gonna be a blonde? This pic that Jason Momoa put on Instagram says he will be...https://www.instagram.com/p/BDJAsrkPHIj/>>

The Aquaman toys are already at Target and he has dark hair.

 

[urbandefault]

Is Aquaman gonna be a blonde? This pic that Jason Momoa put on Instagram says he will be...https://www.instagram.com/p/BDJAsrkPHIj/

Is Aquaman incognito? Undercover in Metropolis on St. Paddy's? That's the real question!

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Standing ovation for BvS in Mexico City yesterday.

The premiere just ends a few minutes ago (in Mexico City). It was packed, really, it was insane, the red carpet, everything.
There's a lot of reaction in Twitter. Mostly from fans, but some media people too. I

#BatmanvsSuperman es totalmente épica , tienes que verla mitología pura. pic.twitter.com/XrM7aAnUjp
— TUBE RADIO (@Tuberadio985) March 20, 2016

"It was totally epic, you have to see it, pure mitology"

No mamar! No mamar! No mamar!!!!!! Buenísima! Tienen que ir a verla #BatmanvsSuperman Quién creen que ganó? ������
— Saralight (@Sararocky) March 20, 2016

"****!! ****!! ****!!!!! Amazing! You guys have to see it Batman Vs Superman, who you think won?"

Iba con baja expectativa, pero #BatmanVsSuperman está EXCELENTE. ¡Tienen que verla! #BenAfflek no es el peor #Batman, pero extrañé a Bale.
— Alessa DL (@Alessa_DL) March 20, 2016

"I go with low expectetion, but BvS is EXCELLENT. You have to see it! Batfleck is not the worst Batman, but I miss Bale"

ovación de pie al final de los créditos de #BatmanvsSuperman @maketomorrow pic.twitter.com/FbATAoCgVr
— Joy Barclay (@JoyBarclay) March 20, 2016

"Standing ovation at the final crdits of BvS"

#BatmanvsSuperman primeras impresiones �� pic.twitter.com/DVWrR6OQ0j
— Drusko (@Drusko) March 20, 2016

"First impressions" It basiclly says that he's still hyped after seing the movie.

You can look at the hashtag #BatmanVsSuperman for more reactions, you can easily see who was actually there... But, in general, the reactions is quiiiiiiite positive. Affleck even speak spanish in the premier and all xD

 

[JD]

That's a good sign at least. I have to admit, a few months ago I wasn't sure about this one, but after the last couple trailers and other promo stuff I'm really, really looking forward to it now. I can't wait.
I forgot to post the other day that IGN has a list of theaters that are doing special Wednesday night screening. The Az one is actually fairly close to where I live, but I have to work that night.

Is Aquaman gonna be a blonde? This pic that Jason Momoa put on Instagram says he will be...https://www.instagram.com/p/BDJAsrkPHIj/

The Aquaman toys are already at Target and he has dark hair.

Pretty much everything I've seen for BvS has shown him with dark hair. When does Justice League Part 1 start filming, could it be for that?

Its not a top seller, although it obviously makes enough to keep getting printed. A lot of bad comics get printed, though, that doesn't make them good. There is only one legitimate version of Harley, the original. Without her, there is no crappy murderer Harley. Its the only reason Harley is popular. Try putting the New 52 Harley in, say, one of the Batman Arkham games, and see if anyone just swoons over her inclusion. She's the Harley that the moron making Suicide Squad likes, and the hack editors of DC Comics want. There is a reason that Marvel comics is kicking DC Comic's ass in sales and market share, and its because of stuff like New 52 Harley.

Is Marvel really kicking DC's asses? The top comics seem to go back and forth quite a bit from what I've seen, and the numbers seem to be pretty close a lot of the time. I just checked CBR's Febuary sales report and theirs only a 15% difference in units sold and 18% in dollars, with Marvel on top. That's a decent difference, but I wouldn't call it kicking their asses.
I can think of a whole crap load legitimate versions of Harley.
In random order as I think of them

1. DCAU
2. Pre-New 52 Comics
3. Arkham
   
4. New 52 Version
5. Superhero Girls
   
6. Injustice: Gods Among Us
7. Suicide Squad movie
   
8. LEGO
9. Batman '66

They all come from officially sanctioned DC products, and that's all it takes for it to be a legitimate version.

 

[Mr Light]

There's a Harley Quinn in Batman '66? Is this the recent comic?

 

[Commander Richard]

^ Yeah.

 

[kirk55555]

I'm very grateful that Batman: The Animated Series didn't follow this strategy with Mr. Freeze.

That doesn't count. Mr. Zero/Mr.Freze was never popular, he was a z-list bat villain that would basically have been forgotten if the Adam west series hadn't used him in a few episodes, and those appearances didn't exactly make him a popular villain anyway. He definitely needed changing. Harley Quinn was a hit because of her first appearances, and that version of Harley maintained her popularity and made her a solid part of the Batman mythos.

Would anybody spot the difference? I'm looking at pictures the Arkham Harley and she seems closer to the New52 take than Dini's version

Appearance wise, maybe (although she doesn't have white skin, just make up), but if you actually play the games or watch a cut scene from them, she is Dini's version 100% outside of the costume, which isn't surprising since Paul Dini wrote the stories for Arkham Asylum and Arkham City.

 

[dahj]

That doesn't count.

"Things only count if they go along with what I'm saying" is a crap argument...

 

[kirk55555]

"Things only count if they go along with what I'm saying" is a crap argument...

It doesn't count because its a completely different situation. Mr. freeze was a obscure z-list Batman villain that would probably never have appeared past the 60s if Adam west's Batman hadn't used him, and even then he was barely used and not even remotely popular. So, he was changed and became hugely popular, which is why he's still relevant today. Harley Quinn is popular because of her first appearances, so comparing her and Mr. Freeze makes no sense at all.