I don't see James as pressuring Kara. He's asking for her permission. He's a friend in need and he's reaching out to her. And he's going to respect her wishes, as far as we know. Now I think it's a very crappy time to ask her, and I also think she's right to say no or really think about it. I don't think Lucy has earned the right to know yet, she hasn't built up that trust with Kara.
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I don't see James as pressuring Kara. He's asking for her permission. He's a friend in need and he's reaching out to her. And he's going to respect her wishes, as far as we know. Now I think it's a very crappy time to ask her, and I also think she's right to say no or really think about it. I don't think Lucy has earned the right to know yet, she hasn't built up that trust with Kara.
Look, I know I'm a simpleton, but why does James have to tell Lucy that Kara is Supergirl? Why can't he just say "Yeah, my buddy Superman told me to look up his cousin if I took this job with Cat Grant, after she declared herself to the world that's just what I did. We've been working off and on ever since.
Now, if instead of that sage piece of advice, he told Kara... "Look, to further my relationship with Lucy, I'm going to confess that Clark is Superman and you are Supergirl..." well, that would be a different story. If James said that I think we all would say "THAT's FLIPPING STUPID!"
But by saying "I have to tell Lucy your secret (only) or our lives together as a couple are over..." well that's worse than what Winn laid on her when he told her that he loved Kara and if they weren't destined to be lovers then Winn could no longer be her friend.
As for the other big secret this week, its past time for Alex to fess up to Kara about who killed Astra. The lie is obviously tearing Alex up and impeding Kara's relationship with Hank. Also, Alex wouldn't be expected to have as many "choices" when it comes to stopping Astra than Hank would have had.
Now, if instead of that sage piece of advice, he told Kara... "Look, to further my relationship with Lucy, I'm going to confess that Clark is Superman and you are Supergirl..." well, that would be a different story. If James said that I think we all would say "THAT's FLIPPING STUPID!"
But by saying "I have to tell Lucy your secret (only) or our lives together as a couple are over..." well that's worse than what Winn laid on her when he told her that he loved Kara and if they weren't destined to be lovers then Winn could no longer be her friend.
As for the other big secret this week, its past time for Alex to fess up to Kara about who killed Astra. The lie is obviously tearing Alex up and impeding Kara's relationship with Hank. Also, Alex wouldn't be expected to have as many "choices" when it comes to stopping Astra than Hank would have had.
I just don't think she should have to ever second-guess her secret on another's behalf. James being privy to her identity doesn't give him any claim to her secret. In my mind, not even the right to ask to give it to someone else. Why does he have any right to further burden her with her own secret?
I saw it as an uktimatum. An out of left field ultimatum too, which irked me a little.
Lucy is Superman's sisterinlaw,
Sister beats Cousin.
Lucy has to know... Which means that her dad Sam knows and he's being a massive dick by pretending that he doesn't know.
Sister beats Cousin.
Lucy has to know... Which means that her dad Sam knows and he's being a massive dick by pretending that he doesn't know.
With no new Flash episode till March 22nd, we still have Supergirl crossover to look forward to.
Link has scores of pictures.
http://www.justjared.com/2016/02/23...noist-wrap-flash-supergirl-crossover-episode/
Link has scores of pictures.
http://www.justjared.com/2016/02/23...noist-wrap-flash-supergirl-crossover-episode/
And her superspeed gives her enough time to brag about her superspeed!!!
I saw it differently. James was asking. He wasn't demanding. He needed help Kara's help, but he wanted her permission. Perhaps it did put an unneeded burden on Kara. I don't think James is trying to claim ownership of her secret, but at the same time, it is a burden on him and all who carry the secret too. I don't think James's request came from left field either. I mean the issue just came to the fore, the rift between Lucy and James over him keeping mum over the DEO and the detaining of Maxwell Lord.
Mr. Adventure,
I don't think its a situation where Kara has to second guess. James came to her up front and asked her to let him tell Lucy, and its for the sake of saving his relationship, so it's not a small potatoes deal here. And Kara takes a risk-willingly-every time she does reveal her secret. She gives up ownership of it a little bit because she can't predict what the person who learns will do. It's an issue of trust, and she trusts James and he trusts her. That's why he went to her and asked her. He's trusting her to trust him.
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I actually was thinking something along the same lines, in terms of I don't think James has to tell Lucy Kara's secret. I mean Lucy accused James of being very close to Supergirl. To me, he should admit that he is, in a mostly platonic way, and maybe that he's working with her, which doesn't really put Kara's secret in danger. I also was wondering if he just wouldn't have Supergirl talk to Lucy and allay any suspicions she might have, without resorting to an identity reveal. I think the show has moved James and Kara into this position for dramatic reasons, not necessarily organic reasons. It does present a conundrum and a potential (though likely short-lived) wedge in their friendship.
I do get what Winn is saying about not being her friend after he told her how he felt and was rejected. It's tough facing a rejection like that and I do think its tough to admit you have romantic feelings, they aren't reciprocated, and then try to be "just friends" with that person. I think that's a very difficult thing to do. Granted some people actually can be ex-spouses or ex-lovers and still be friends, but I think that's tough to pull off. Winn's reaction felt natural to me.
I'm with DarKush on this. James wasn't pressuring her or demanding to "have any say." He explicitly asked her for permission. He explained why he didn't feel he could keep this secret anymore, but he still left the decision in Kara's hands, where it should be.
It's analogous to Winn telling Kara how he felt. At the time, a lot of people saw that as Winn saying "Love me or else." But it wasn't. He was just telling her how he felt and admitting that he didn't know where to go from there. He was just being honest with his friend about how he felt, and not pressuring her for anything in return. James is doing much the same thing -- confiding in his friend about the difficult dilemma he's in, but not trying to usurp control over her decisions.
You're leaving out the part where Kara and Lucy actually like each other. Their interaction isn't defined strictly through the men in their lives. They hit it off splendidly from the beginning. They're friends. Lucy has helped the gang on more than one occasion, and she could be even more helpful if she were in on the secret. And, as I said, Lucy is a lawyer. It's her job to keep confidences.
The reason is clear from the episode -- because James is in an impossible situation where he has to betray one person he cares for to be true to another. If she decides to do it, she'll be doing it for James. The alternative is to let the situation linger until James and Lucy break up, and while she would benefit from that personally, I doubt Kara would want to be so selfish or manipulative as to deliberately hurt two friends in order to get what she wanted.
And she doesn't have to do it recklessly. She could sound out Lucy first, try to get a better sense of her feasibility as a member of Team Supergirl.
And apparently the entire staff of the DEO.
That is not my point! I'm not talking about them, I'm talking about Lucy. I'm saying she strikes me as a good candidate, not that anyone strikes me as a bad candidate.
It was picked because the comics' Felicity Smoak worked with computers and they needed a computer expert. I think the reason that modern comics adaptations rely so heavily on existing character names, even if they're completely different from the characters they're based on, is because the comics publishers themselves are now producing the shows and they'd rather use characters they already own than have to pay royalties for the reuse of original characters created by TV writers. So they try, as much as possible, to find existing character names that can fit the character types they need in the shows and movies, even if the needs of the story require changing them a great deal.
Oh, absolutely. Lucy Lane debuted in 1959 in issue #36 of Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen, by Otto Binder and Curt Swan. She was created specifically to be Jimmy's (largely unrequited) romantic interest, and that was pretty much her exclusive role for the first couple of decades of her existence. No doubt her connection to Jimmy/James is the primary reason for her inclusion in the series.
Sam Lane was introduced in the same SPJO issue, but he didn't become an Army general until the post-Crisis reboot in the '80s.
Because that would still be keeping secrets from the woman he loves. He doesn't want to have to lie to her.
But Kara's relationship with Alex is more important, in J'onn's view. A boss doesn't have to be loved by his subordinates.
Besides, even if Kara did learn the truth, she might still resent Hank/J'onn just as much. After all, Alex killed Astra to save J'onn. Her loyalty to J'onn outweighed her loyalty to Kara. So Kara might resent both of them for that. So if she's gonna resent J'onn either way, nothing is gained if she also resents Alex.
The two definitely look pretty awesome together. And it's also nice to hear from Grant Gustin that this will be the light and funny Barry we'll be seeing in this ep and not the angry and somewhat dickish Barry we've been seeing a lot of recently on Flash.
Oh, I hadn't realized that Indigo was an incarnation of Brainiac.
Anyway, indigo is the color between blue and violet on the spectrum, not blue and green. So if the comics called a character Indigo and made her teal, that's just weird. It looks like the show's version is a better fit to the name.
Anyway, indigo is the color between blue and violet on the spectrum, not blue and green. So if the comics called a character Indigo and made her teal, that's just weird. It looks like the show's version is a better fit to the name.
It doesn't matter. Geoff Johns just has to make up another rainbow lantern. "Teal Indigo, you have the power to inspire interior decorators everywhere..."
Yeah it's too bad they didn't make the hair more of a purple/pink color like in the comics, as it would have helped differentiate her from Mystique a bit more.
And I'm not really familiar with the character, but I wonder if this is going to pave the way for an appearance by the original Brainiac later on (possibly as the main season 2 villain)? Or will they just make Indigo the main Brainiac like they did with Bizarro earlier?
And I'm not really familiar with the character, but I wonder if this is going to pave the way for an appearance by the original Brainiac later on (possibly as the main season 2 villain)? Or will they just make Indigo the main Brainiac like they did with Bizarro earlier?
Laura V's Indigo does have the pink hair of the comics character.
