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Spoilers Supergirl - Season 1

Every superhero that has a "real job" gets away with all kinds of foolishness

Not to this degree. In the Spider-Man comics, Parker had been fired and/or barred from jobs on numerous occasions, either for his unexplained behavior, failure to provide what Jameson wanted, or even due to personality conflicts.That is closer to reality than the weekly soap opera BS with Cat/Kara.
 
Not to this degree. In the Spider-Man comics, Parker had been fired and/or barred from jobs on numerous occasions, either for his unexplained behavior, failure to provide what Jameson wanted, or even due to personality conflicts.That is closer to reality than the weekly soap opera BS with Cat/Kara.

I don't agree. In any case, Cat is portrayed in a far different manner than J. Jonah Jameson - and thank goodness for that.

Reality includes the very thing member Arrrrgggh described.

Say what?
 
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No, we do. I just don't live in denial about the one I inhabit.
So in your world "feminists" are hypocrites who hate men? Or are they just hypocrites who deny what really happens when women interact? Or are they hypocrites who use "stereotypes" to dominate the men who interact with them?
 
During the year Doctor Octopus body hopped and took over Peter Parker's life, he went back to school and got Parker a Doctorate in at least one field, maybe applied sciences and/or Engineering, and then opened Parker Industries a multinational mega-corporation poised to put Stark in the poor house, as Otto in Peter's body convinced the world that he was Steve Jobs reborn on steroids.

Currently, being self employed, Peter finding excuses to placate his employer is not an issue... His employees on the other hand are starting to get super pissed with his unreliability.

PS

Aunt May married J. Jonah Jameson's FATHER.

(Think about it.)

Peter and JJJ have been (step) siblings (squint-squint) for quite some time.
 
So in your world "feminists" are hypocrites who hate men? Or are they just hypocrites who deny what really happens when women interact? Or are they hypocrites who use "stereotypes" to dominate the men who interact with them?
That's what you were whining about? That feminists, particular the vocal and overly argumentative ones who start rattling on endlessly about how perfect women are and how they would never act like Siobhan, are annoying, irrational, and flat-out incorrect, all as opposed to the actual topic you were replying to that a lot of women do, in fact, act like Siobhan in reality? Just wow.
 
To the average person, they are obscure. Toyman and Bizarro were part of an ensemble on the terrible Challenge of the Super Friends (1978), but even at that time, the bigger, most recognized villains were Luthor and Braniac.

But you say that like Supergirl's audience is only made up of these average persons instead of including a whole bunch of people who grew up watching cartoons like Challenge of the Superfriends and reading Superman comics and therefore knowing that Luthor and Braniac aren't Supes's only villains. If that were the case the show would have crapped out before episode thirteen.
 
Actually, @Arrrrgggh my question was - "What did you use as a basis for your commentary on the actions of women in the workforce - in particular their relationships with other women?"

As of right now your answers have been 'Reality' and 'That's what a lot of women do' both of which qualify as anecdotal evidence and therefore as a valid as any other opinion and are certainly not fact.
 
As of right now your answers have been 'Reality' and 'That's what a lot of women do' both of which qualify as anecdotal evidence and therefore as a valid as any other opinion and are certainly not fact.
Apparently we have different definitions of the word "fact," particular in scenarios such as this. But whatever, knock yourself out trying to convince, well, anyone that a lot of women don't act like that. You're perfectly free to be wrong about things. Women are perfect and flawless and never act like petty, backstabbing bitches! Never ever ever in the history of ever, no matter what anyone says! Whee!!!
 
No one is arguing that women - and men - cannot be petty and betray their co-workers. However, the statement that "lots of women" act in a petty, backstabbing fashion towards their co-workers is an opinion that has not been supported by fact.
 
Who are these feminists arguing that women are all flawless and perfect? Last I checked, all most of them are really interested in is equality of the sexes and equal opportunity in the workforce, etc. (which some men apparently interpret as a threat or attack on them for some bizarre reason, but oh well).

And yeah, women can be just as back-biting and power hungry and petty as anyone else. Supergirl hasn't been afraid to show that side of women before, so I don't understand what the big deal is here.
 
And yeah, women can be just as back-biting and power hungry and petty as anyone else. Supergirl hasn't been afraid to show that side of women before, so I don't understand what the big deal is here.
In regard to that, neither do I. But apparently Jedi_Master believes otherwise, and is exactly the type of person I was referring to with the former bit.
 
And yeah, women can be just as back-biting and power hungry and petty as anyone else. Supergirl hasn't been afraid to show that side of women before, so I don't understand what the big deal is here.

Because that's the perennial cliche in fiction, to show female characters fighting and undermining each other (usually over a man), so it's a nice change to see stories where they support each other instead. And this show has generally tended to stress the supportive side over the "backbiting." Kara and Lucy are portrayed as getting along like gangbusters when the cliche would be for them to hate each other. Cat fired Leslie Willis for bodyshaming Supergirl and insulting her sexuality, because women supporting each other is important to her professionally and personally. That positivity is one of the show's strengths.
 
Next episode sees Kara visiting the fortress

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Nice to see that security is non existent here just like it was in "Smallville"

;)
 
SPOILERS!!

(I already knew, but fuck it, I'm just smart enough to figure out what happpens in at least half of that episode from looking at that picture.)

Because that's the perennial cliche in fiction, to show female characters fighting and undermining each other (usually over a man), so it's a nice change to see stories where they support each other instead. And this show has generally tended to stress the supportive side over the "backbiting." Kara and Lucy are portrayed as getting along like gangbusters when the cliche would be for them to hate each other. Cat fired Leslie Willis for bodyshaming Supergirl and insulting her sexuality, because women supporting each other is important to her professionally and personally. That positivity is one of the show's strengths.

But the appearance of such negativity is artificial.

Anyone that didn't think like Cat, or know how to act around Cat would have been weeded out way before they got to be in the Mogul's inner circle.

(Is there a feminization of Mogul? Does there have to be?)
 
I don't see the opposition. In both respects, James's concern is for fairness and treating people right. And it's not like he went behind Kara's back to tell Lucy. He explicitly said that he needed Kara's permission to tell Lucy the truth. He won't betray Kara's confidence, but he's having to betray Lucy's trust in order to preserve Kara's confidence, and that puts him in an untenable position.

Besides, I don't see that big a problem with James's request. Kara hasn't exactly been all that cautious with her secret identity. She blurted it out to Winn at the first opportunity, she made no attempt to hide it from her family, and the entire DEO staff seems to be aware of it. Heck, even Max Lord knows. She kept it from Cat because she was afraid of the media exposure and of losing the job she values, but is there really a good reason not to bring Lucy into their confidence? She's Kara's friend and James's girlfriend, and she's helped the team out on several occasions. And she's a lawyer, so keeping confidences is something she's good at. The one iffy matter is that her father is Sam Lane, but the same goes for Lois, and if James knows that Superman is Clark Kent, then Lois probably does by this point as well. (I'm pretty sure General Lane doesn't know Supergirl's civilian ID. Hank has made a point of calling her "Supergirl" rather than "Miss Danvers" when Lane was around.)

I think Kara is right to be reluctant. Even though she is cool with Lucy, she probably doesn't trust her fully, and neither is she completely over her feelings for James. So why would she let a potential rival-maybe someone she's even a little jealous of or insecure about-have her secret identity?

And while Lois and Lucy are sisters, it doesn't mean they will respond to learning a secret of that magnitude the same way. From what I've read of Lucy in the comics she's much more in line with her dad than Lois, even to a very dark degree. Of course the show might not take follow the comics in that regard, but that's what I have to draw on in an attempt to get a feel for the show's Lucy.

Granted on Supergirl thus far she has defied her father, in regards to James. But would she extend that to Supergirl? An alien who her dad is suspicious of? An alien that had deceived her? Plus General Lane's likely not the only one in the government that has fears or doubts about Supergirl. So it could become an issue of duty/patriotism versus her feelings for James. And if Lucy also thinks or suspects that there's more to James and Supergirl's relationship, then Lucy's jealousy might come into play, propelling her even more to the dark side.

Another thing I just thought about is that Kara is probably emotionally distraught right now. She's still grieving for her aunt. She's angry at Hank, perhaps she feels a sense of deep betrayal and its hard for her to fathom letting anyone else in right now. And then she's probably also concerned about letting Maxwell Lord loose. And then there's her new office rival as well. It perhaps wasn't the best time for James to ask her. Though he's dealing with his own issues and it was the necessary time for him, if he wanted to keep his relationship with Lucy. So it sucks that they arrived at that point.
 
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Does Supergirl have any kind of a rogues' gallery of her own? New 52 or otherwise? Cause all the Superman villains are doing is making me wish this was a Superman series.

Master Jailer? Really? In his first appearance in comics the most badass thing he managed was trapping Supes in a kryptonite laced suit. Past that he was kind of a pussy. Is the New 52 version more of a badass or something? (As you've probably guessed, I don't read a lot of the New 52...)

This Kira/Cat/Siobhan thing is nonsense. If Kara's not doing her job you suspend or fire her. You don't hire another assistant to make her jealous. Who's writing this shit?

Christopher's right about Henshaw. A leader's ultimately responsible for whatever his/her subordinates do, so taking responsibility for Alex killing Astra is absolutely part of his job.

Jimmy Olson wants to tell somebody else Kara's Supergirl? Fuck, why not just have Kara tell Cat and just do the reveal on Catco worldwide? Get it over with.

Overall, not a fantastic episode.

I did a quick look and came up with some links below for Supergirl's enemies.

In the New 52 I wouldn't mind if we saw Simon Tycho (though Maxwell Lord sort of has that kind of spot covered right now) and the World Killers (perhaps for the season finale). Also bringing General Lane's Project 7734 with Atlas and Codename: Assassin into the mix, not to mention Superwoman. And its possible that Granny Goodness, The Female Furies, and other denizens from Apokolips might be out there for the show to use. So I don't think Supergirl is necessarily hurting for villains. It would be great if they built up Reactron. I thought he made a very good foe in the pre-New 52 Supergirl stories.

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/supergirl/4005-2351/enemies/

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Supergirl_Villains
 
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