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Rey in The Force Awakens (Possible Spoilers)

My pet conspiracy theory is that Disney wanted to see if Rey caught on since she's a female protagonist who isn't in the vein of many others. It's a cynical take, but I don't think we can count on Disney being the vanguards of progressiveness, sadly. I'm betting we'll see a lot more Rey paraphernalia since she's become very popular.

I'm curious, because I don't recall, was Lucasfilm reluctant to put out Leia and Padme products? I want to say they weren't, but I was pretty young when the special editions and TPM came out.
 
You'd actually expect the opposite from Disney considering how rigorously they market the animated princesses.
 
They still tend to market to boys and girls separately. The animated princesses are marketed for girls while Star Wars is more heavily marketed at boys, though that is changing a bit. We've started to see more Star Wars related clothing in the girl's and women's sizes of late in retail as oppose to just men's and boy's shirts.
 
We took my daughter shopping at Macy's this weekend. There was a large area of the young women's section devoted to Star Wars. Full print dresses even. Heavy marketing.
 
This isn't new - I have a Star Wars annual knocking around here somewhere that came out just out the first film - it's full of stuff on Luke and leia and virtually nothing about Han...
 
This isn't new - I have a Star Wars annual knocking around here somewhere that came out just out the first film - it's full of stuff on Luke and leia and virtually nothing about Han...

Originally, the concept was to have a number of Star Wars stories set in the shared universe. The first movie was the chronicles of Luke Skywalker and I don't believe Lucas had plans to include Han in the sequel until after ANH was so successful.
 
She's exhibited traits of MANY key players in the Star Wars saga. She's strong, self-assured, and defiant like Leia. She shares Luke's wanderlust, natural piloting skills, and force sensitivity. Her scenes on the Falcon showcase her mechanical inclinations, and ability to adapt creative solutions to render escape, very Han. Scenes of her scuttling stealthily about, and scaling walls with silent grace in the Starkiller base are very reminiscent of Obi Wan Kenobi (and let's not forget that English accent) ...a friend of mine even expressed that some of her scenes on Jakku, like scavenging parts and wearing the X-wing pilot helmet with child-like wonder, reminded her a bit of a young Anakin on Tatooine... all very purposefully an amalgam of our saga heroes, and I believe with the intent of keeping the viewer guessing about her mysterious origins.
Stacking all these clues to her possible lineage could set up the ultimate twist that she has none. That she is her own person, illustrating the fact that the galaxy is full of heroes without being born to a particular bloodline, exploring different aspects of The Force through Rey for a new era in the Star Wars universe... A concept easier to relate to, and be inspired by, especially as her story unfolds in the trilogy.
Building a mystery only to subvert it is the ultimate waste of dramatic potential, not to mention story that could have been included in its absence. It might be charming and refreshing in an epic 5-book fantasy, but when we're talking a movie with a 2 hour runtime that is a very inefficient use of those precious minutes of screen time.

But what mystery are they building? And if Luke is Rey's father, then what is the mystery? Other than some various parallels, we actually have less to go on than we did with Luke's parentage in a New Hope. Besides, to "subvert" it would be what's called a "red herring", a misdirection, and only serves to expand the potential for a compelling new story. Especially since these clues are not as strong as other direct character connections were in past movies...
In the first films, much emphasis was built around Luke's father:
Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen's discussion of Luke having a lot of his father in him, which is what Owen was "afraid of". Ben tells Luke a whole story about his father, which gave great weight to Vader's final reveal that HE was Luke's father. Aided by Luke's "Force vision" on Dagobah.
In Empire we get a line eluding to a second hero: "No, there is another". And from what I've read, that line was not meant to be about Leia, but a new female character to be revealed in the third film. But was changed to be about Leia in an economic rewrite to move the story forward, but helped to serve as another twist that Leia was Luke's sister.
We even get more clues about Anakin's mysterious lineage in Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith than we do about Luke and Reys connection in The Force Awakens: Shmi's reveal that Anakin was a "virgin birth" and Palpatine's story of the force manipulation to create life by the dark side, is still more to go on than anything we've seen about Rey's past.
But my point is that we get more parallels to other characters other than Luke in Rey's characterization, and very few direct leads. So much so that a lot of speculation leads to other characters; like that perhaps she's a second "love child" of Leia and Han that Leia kept secret from Han after they become separated, or that she's Obi Wan's grand-daughter, what if she's Grand Moff Tarkin's grand-daughter? (how ironic would that be?) ~ but there's enough intrigue in her character to allow these other theories.
Even in Rey's "force vision", while yes we see Luke, but also the Knights of Ren, and the voice of Kenobi calling to her, not Luke. None of these images make a direct connection to Luke, but only serve to depict direct events both past and future, prior events that a very young Rey may have been apart of not because she's Luke's daughter but possibly was a padawan youngling saved from the massacre, resulting in her exile on Jakku by her "parents", who ever they may have been, if they were even her parents to begin with. She has as much connection to R2-D2 as Luke in these scenes. It's so much more vague with very few direct connections than in previous Star Wars films about other legacy characters.
I feel this new film's use of familiar territory is to ease us back into the Star Wars universe we're most comfortable with by design. With it's many parallels to a New Hope and Empire being used as a launching pad to set up new stories and characters for a subsequent trilogy. I feel that it purposely teases a well used, family specific, plot device that could serve to reveal a much different twist and a compelling new story exploring more of the Star Wars universe.
Honestly if they do pull that, I know I'm gonna be pissed. After they made such a big deal about the mystery of her parentage, if they went and said her parents were just random nobodies I would feel like they were screwing around with us.
My pet conspiracy theory is that Disney wanted to see if Rey caught on since she's a female protagonist who isn't in the vein of many others. It's a cynical take, but I don't think we can count on Disney being the vanguards of progressiveness, sadly. I'm betting we'll see a lot more Rey paraphernalia since she's become very popular.

I'm curious, because I don't recall, was Lucasfilm reluctant to put out Leia and Padme products? I want to say they weren't, but I was pretty young when the special editions and TPM came out.
I know when they first sold SW to Disney a lot of people were upset because they couldn't find any Leia merchandise in the Disney Stores while they had plenty of merch with the male characters.
 
I think some people may be confusing Rey's hard earned skills with pure preternatural ability.

Why is she so technically adapt? Well obviously because she scavenges old technology for a living. She's had to learn how things work, what they do, where the valuable components are and how to extract and refurbish them in order to sell them on. Yes, she's clearly very good at it, but it's just as much about experience as natural skill.

How can she be such a good melee fighter? When Finn first lays eyes on her she's single handedly fighting off an ambush from two or three much larger and apparently stronger thug...and she kicks their arses with nothing but a metal quarterstaff. Having spent her whole on her own, she's had to learn how to handle herself and when you're living with people who all seem about two meals from starvation, you either learn to fight the hard way, or end up face down in the dirt with a shiv in your back while some other scavenger makes off with your haul.

Piloting skills? Again, clearly there's some serious innate talent there--which we know from both Luke & Anakin can be greatly enhanced by latent force sensitivity. But again, she mentions she's flown ship before (just not out in open space) presumably taking the occasional job as a quad-jumper pilot when the opportunity arises. Plus of course her custom bike which according to some of the tie-in media, is something she built herself from salvaged speeder & fighter parts and is seriously overpowered, able to get up-to speeds an altitudes more akin to an airspeeder.

I guess what I'm getting at is that those basing certain arguments of who she's related to based purely on her demonstrated skills aren't really taking those skills in their proper context.
 
Reverend said:
able to get up-to speeds an altitudes more akin to an airspeeder.

Too bad we didn't get to see too much from it in the speed department. It moved slower than I thought it would.
 
Reverend said:
able to get up-to speeds an altitudes more akin to an airspeeder.

Too bad we didn't get to see too much from it in the speed department. It moved slower than I thought it would.

From what I gather, the idea is that (like the Falcon) it's built like a tug. Lots of engine for moving heavy loads. That way when it's unencumbered it can seriously cut loose. But yeah, it's a shame we never saw it do more than we did.
 
They still tend to market to boys and girls separately. The animated princesses are marketed for girls while Star Wars is more heavily marketed at boys, though that is changing a bit. We've started to see more Star Wars related clothing in the girl's and women's sizes of late in retail as oppose to just men's and boy's shirts.
There's a fair amount or Rey stuff at the Disney Stores, they had figures, costumes, PJs and t-shirts prior to the movie's release. Following the release, I've seen an updated rerelease of the die-cast figure that now comes with her lightsaber, plus they now sell "Rey's Lightsaber" itself.

Hasbro seems to be a little more lacking, which is maybe attributable to the fact that the Hasbro stuff is specifically located within the "boy's toys" sections of the big box stores. Which is sad, my 7-year old boy loves Rey, and I bet other boys do too...
 
Too bad we didn't get to see too much from it in the speed department. It moved slower than I thought it would.

IT moved pretty quick on Jakku. Actually I wish we would have seen Han fly her into battle. A shame they didn't let him survive until the second movie so we could see Han fly the Falcon more. He didn't fly her in ROTJ so I really wanted him to fly the Falcon for more than we saw. A pity.
 
And if he'd flown her more, people would've complained about the movie being too derivative and just giving us "more of the same"? :p
 
There's a fair amount or Rey stuff at the Disney Stores, they had figures, costumes, PJs and t-shirts prior to the movie's release. Following the release, I've seen an updated rerelease of the die-cast figure that now comes with her lightsaber, plus they now sell "Rey's Lightsaber" itself.

Hasbro seems to be a little more lacking, which is maybe attributable to the fact that the Hasbro stuff is specifically located within the "boy's toys" sections of the big box stores. Which is sad, my 7-year old boy loves Rey, and I bet other boys do too...

That's new. Haven't seen that stuff locally yet. Though I'm only going by the local J.C. Penney's that has a Disney store annex inside.
 
There would have been nothing derivative about finding something for Han to do in his ship unless it involved repeating something he did in ANH or ESB. Most likely they just couldn't find anything for him to do without distracting from the breakneck pace of the movie.
 
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