^ Great post. I wish we already had the xenforo "Like"-Button. 
Rey in The Force Awakens (Possible Spoilers)
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I agree. And I think this is the main reason why I relaxed from my initial keyboard-pounding overreaction. Rey/Ridley is so likeable and refreshing that, at the end of the day, I'm forced to shrug an okay and move on.
Had it been another guy, I think I'd probably still be hitting the nerd rage sauce pretty hard.
Maybe Luke doesn't know he has a daughter. Rey's mother could have left him before he ever knew he was going to be a dad.
Perhaps all the divergent ideas on Rey's parentage can be combined... why can't Rey be the descendant of both Luke and Palpatine?
Perhaps Luke is Rey's father, and Rey's mother was Palpatine's long-lost daughter, who was training to be a Jedi at Luke's new academy but left to escape Kylo's Dark Side-induced hissy fit and left Rey on Jakku for safety.
Or perhaps Rey's mother was Plagueis' daughter or granddaughter.
And perhaps Snoke is Plagueis. Or Palpatine's brother.
But seriously, not everybody needs to be the son/daughter/niece/nephew/cousin of existing characters.
Kor
Perhaps Luke is Rey's father, and Rey's mother was Palpatine's long-lost daughter, who was training to be a Jedi at Luke's new academy but left to escape Kylo's Dark Side-induced hissy fit and left Rey on Jakku for safety.
Or perhaps Rey's mother was Plagueis' daughter or granddaughter.
And perhaps Snoke is Plagueis. Or Palpatine's brother.
But seriously, not everybody needs to be the son/daughter/niece/nephew/cousin of existing characters.
Kor
I thought it was pretty damn likely she was/is Luke's kid, given: (a) the Force vision when she first encounters his lightsaber; (b) a natural bond with that lightsaber; (c) the apparent awakening of R2 when she shows up at the resistance base; (d) her natural pilot skills (just like Luke and Anakin); (e) some of the musical callbacks to the original film when she was onscreen.
As for why Luke would have left her, as others have noted, perhaps he didnt know what happened to her (he might have believed she was safe with her mother) or maybe he never even realized he had a daughter.
As for why Luke would have left her, as others have noted, perhaps he didnt know what happened to her (he might have believed she was safe with her mother) or maybe he never even realized he had a daughter.
As for (a), couldn't that be more about the lightsaber than about her? Kind of a psychometry thing, like Quinlan Vos? And as for (b), I don't know what you mean.
Some were putting out that she might be a Kenobi instead, but then someone else pointed out she could be both a Kenobi and a Skywalker. If Obi-wan has a daughter and somehow that daughter found Luke and had Rey.
But then we'd probably need a story about were that daughter came from. But there have been rumors of a Kenobi Anthology movie with Ewan McGregor. If they really wanted to pull that one, that would be the opportunity to link everything together.
But then we'd probably need a story about were that daughter came from. But there have been rumors of a Kenobi Anthology movie with Ewan McGregor. If they really wanted to pull that one, that would be the opportunity to link everything together.
It's possible, but the thing called to her and gave her a specific vision about Luke, not unlike how the Tree on Dagobah gave Luke a specific vision about Vader (his father).
It flew into her hand. She handled it like a natural. Compare how she used it and how much better she wielded it than Finn (a trained professional warrior in an army that [as we saw in at least one scene]) used staff like weapons at times. It just reminded me of how Luke seemed to have a connection to his original (father's) father's lightsaber.
If she was dropped off as a last ditch effort to save her by her mom, who was then killed before telling Luke where she went, then that's a pretty good out for that particular problem.
It is a 'problem' for people who want a certain number of fictional characters in media to be a certain way. But that is a subjective issue, as I said. Saying that the reasoning behind your opinion is obvious does not also make it objective. It's an understandable opinion to be sure.
Again, what you call 'fair portrayal' is based entirely on what you think is fair, and I have no argument against that point, nor have I made one.
Subjective opinions do not transform into objective facts when you play with the percentages. Your proposed 50% woman miners in movies is a perfectly valid desire, but it's not a solution to an actual industry problem, it is just wish fulfillment. Now if you can give me information showing that woman miners are banned or censored in the media, that would be an objectively bad thing I could back you up on.
Don't count? As what, people? If you want to argue objectivity, you have to use precise terms and explain what you're talking about. I'm guessing this means you didn't like those characters. Fine by me, I thought they were pretty neat though.
And failed, thus proving my point, thanks. A very uplifting article. To repeat my point for about the 3rd time: The sexist portions of society are failing, and people are successfully standing up against them. Thusly, their power is fading. Thusly I am pleased. I have not and will not say that there is no sexism. So people can stop arguing that point now.
I have no doubt there are more male leads, I haven't disagreed with that either. Here again, two completely different points are becoming intermingled. The desire for characters which pander to certain people, and the notion that there is a system in place which actually stops real artists from doing what they want. Like I said, bring out statistics about the 2nd & I'm on board. The 1st is just preference.It's so blunt there's nothing subjective about it. If you think there is, mentally do what the post you quoted suggested. You will surprise yourself.
Please don't put yourself down like that.
Fairness is something which comes from people standing up successfully for themselves, which your article is an example of. Fun is entirely subjective. There's no argument to be made here, ymmv.
Well that's great that it works for you, and it's certainly better than nothing, but it seems like skin-deep diversity is being used as a patch to cover over the far more pressing problem - a lack of diverse ideas. It's still Death Star v3.0.
Maybe not EVERYBODY but I kind of want the main numbered series to be a very cohesive story & making it about a certain family is a neat way to do it. This would give a good justification to why Episode 1 is the 1st episode: The story starts with the first force-sensitive Skywalker.
Also, Shmi totally is the exwife of Palpatine & she is a big fat liar! Palpatine is Vader's father!
Also, you'll notice that Rey has that doll-like figure of a Republic pilot, which I assume she made herself. If Luke is her father, I doubt she knows it anymore than he does, but she probably senses something about it via her Force connection.
She has her own theme. In the latter part of the movie, it mixes with the Force-theme, probaby meaning to illustrate, that the force has awoken in her.
She also wore an old X wing pilot helmet at her camp in that one scene.
That connection is just the one in his mind, due to having been told it was his father's lightsaber. Though I suppose there could be some cachet to carrying around "Luke Skywalker's lightsaber" no matter who you are...
Everything is subjective. How is that even a valid point? The thing is that women and minorities are tired of being marginalized in mainstream media and/or pushed into specific archetypes that aren't even remotely close to resembling fully-fledged characters.
Representation in media is actually important for every kind of social group because it shapes how people see the world and that group.
Do you really think that the way African Americans were portrayed in or often excluded from mainstream media did not have any effect on the consumers of said media?
Presence in media is some form of acknowledgement and representation that is important to people. Hiding minorities in media on the other hand is a form of social exclusion that has psychological effects on the minority and the majority.
A similar struggle is affecting homosexual and transsexual people who had to (and have to) fight for recognition in language, public discourse and media to make sure that people see their presence in society as "normal".
Yes, people want to feel represented in mainstream media and not feel that they are being reduced to archetypes and marginalization.
The fact that all this is "an opinion" makes no difference. It is a well-founded and well-reasoned opinion. There is no objective truth in anything, that doesn't mean there is no value in reasoning and inter-subjective discourse.
Saying "Hey, that's understandable but obviously not an objective truth" is intellectually lazy and pretty much saying nothing at all because it would apply to everything. In pluralistic societies "truth" is intersubjective and a product of discourse. There is no a priori objective truth.
I know I can't expect every trekbbs member to be an expert in constructivist epistemology, psychology or discourse theory but you could at least make an effort here.
Really, I'm not sure I agree. She seems to be a pretty tough, independant woman when we first meet her on Jakku. Sure, she learns a lot about herself in the course of the movie, but I don't really see her maturing to the point where I think she was a child in the beginning and grown up in the end.
Your point is well taken. However at the beginning of the movie she's "afraid" to leave her planet for good, desperately waiting for her parent to return. At the end she goes off to find Luke instead of going home, thereby accepting a certain amount of responsibility she previously eschewed. That could be interpreted as a form of passage into adulthood.
Accepting something new and moving on from the past is definitely growth. But I wouldn't call it growth from child to adult. Just character growth.
