‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’

[Kai "the spy"]

Zod needed the codex even more than he needed the eggs, it wasonly after learning that the codex is in Superman's cells that he went after the ship and the eggs.

I still don't get it. What does all that have to do with Superman's decision to fry those eggs?! The codex is worthless without the eggs.

And we don't if there're more Krytonians out there so it's alittle early to say he's the last son of Kryton.

And Superman doesn't know, either. To him, the notion must seem very unlikely, since Kryptonians have abandoned space travel ages ago after all attempts at creating off-world colonies failed. All the Kryptonians in the Phantom Zone were freed once Krypton was destroyed, and it appears that Zod and his band of warriors were the only ones there.

So, again, what bearing does this have at all on Superman's choice? Or is it my choice of words, the "Last Son of Krypton"? Well, considering what happened the movie, that ultimately was his choice. At least he was willing to be, for there was no certainty for other Kryptonian survivors. The odds are propably 1:a gazillion against.

 

[DWF]

Zod needed the codex even more than he needed the eggs, it wasonly after learning that the codex is in Superman's cells that he went after the ship and the eggs.

I still don't get it. What does all that have to do with Superman's decision to fry those eggs?! The codex is worthless without the eggs.

And we don't if there're more Krytonians out there so it's alittle early to say he's the last son of Kryton.

And Superman doesn't know, either. To him, the notion must seem very unlikely, since Kryptonians have abandoned space travel ages ago after all attempts at creating off-world colonies failed. All the Kryptonians in the Phantom Zone were freed once Krypton was destroyed, and it appears that Zod and his band of warriors were the only ones there.

So, again, what bearing does this have at all on Superman's choice? Or is it my choice of words, the "Last Son of Krypton"? Well, considering what happened the movie, that ultimately was his choice. At least he was willing to be, for there was no certainty for other Kryptonian survivors. The odds are propably 1:a gazillion against.

Yo do understand that Zod wanted to restore Kryton by remaking the eart, Superman was trying to save the earth. Does nobody understand that Superman saved the earth from being terraformed into Kryton and therby saved the human race?

 

[M.A.C.O.]

The eggs in the Genesis Chamber were empty and useless without some form of genetic material (like the codex) to use as a base. Kryptonians are fully capable of conceiving through natural means. However, in the MOS (also in the 86 reboot of the comics) Kryptonians prefer to use birthing matrices to have children. They're a very sterile people. An act of intimate coitus between two Kryptonians would be viewed as obscene. It's why Zod in MOS shouts heresy when Jor-El tells him what he and Lara have done to have a child.


Also Superman didn't target the genesis chamber. It cracked and shattered when the ship crashed.

 

[DWF]

As for other Krytonian survivors, in the early pages of this thread there was a rumor that the Amazons were originally a colony of Kryton. It'll be interesting to see how true that turns out to be.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

As for other Krytonian survivors, in the early pages of this thread there was a rumor that the Amazons were originally a colony of Kryton. It'll be interesting to see how true that turns out to be.

They debunked WW being Kryptonian awhile ago. Wonder Woman in the DCEU, will have her New 52 origins. The daughter of Hippolyta and Zeus. So she'll be a demigod.

However, the rest of the Amazons could have been descended from the MOS Supergirl/Kara Zor-El. The open pod we see in MOS was said by TPTB to leave open a chance for Supergirl to appear. Now that we have the Supergirl show, it might not amount to anything. One can hope.

 

[DWF]

As for other Krytonian survivors, in the early pages of this thread there was a rumor that the Amazons were originally a colony of Kryton. It'll be interesting to see how true that turns out to be.

They debunked WW being Kryptonian awhile ago. Wonder Woman in the DCEU, will have her New 52 origins. The daughter of Hippolyta and Zeus. So she'll be a demigod.

However, the rest of the Amazons could have been descended from the MOS Supergirl/Kara Zor-El. The open pod we see in MOS was said by TPTB to leave open a chance for Supergirl to appear. Now that we have the Supergirl show, it might not amount to anything. One can hope.

I didn't mention Wonder Woman's origin just the Amazons, still we'll have to wait to see whether or not it's true. And supposedly Diana is in Metropolis for a reason we've yet to discover.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

Yo do understand that Zod wanted to restore Kryton by remaking the eart, Superman was trying to save the earth. Does nobody understand that Superman saved the earth from being terraformed into Kryton and therby saved the human race?

Well, yes, stopping Zod from whiping out mankind was crucial, obviously. But Superman didn't have to destroy the eggs to do that. And besides, Superman's line of dialogue in that moment was "Krypton had its chance", which is a judgment on a species that he was not in the least informed enough to make. All Kryptonians beside himself he knew were his Ghost Dad and Zod's evil warriors, that's it.

As for other Krytonian survivors, in the early pages of this thread there was a rumor that the Amazons were originally a colony of Kryton. It'll be interesting to see how true that turns out to be.

Again, even if that turns out to be true, how could that have informed Superman's decision to destroy the eggs? You as an audience member can say "Well, they still could bring other Kryptonians back", but even that feels unlikely to me. Imagine how unlikely it would be to Superman in that situation.

For all he knew, he whiped out any future of the Kryptonian species, and with that line of dialogue, it's at least implied that he pondered the question whether or not to do it and still did it.

 

[Admiral2]

WW looks good, but Gal still doesn't look strong enough. her arms are like twigs. I know her power comes from magic or what not, but in the comics she's drawn a bit differently. Gal has arms like a 13-year-old girl. LOL

You've been misled by a generation of comics art that has mistaken bodybuilder-style bulging for strength. Genuinely strong, athletic people -- those who actually use their muscles rather than building them up for display -- are often quite lean and wiry. Also, women naturally have a slightly fuller layer of body fat over their muscles, softening their definition. Female bodybuilders have to reduce their body fat to unhealthy levels to make their muscles stand out to the same extent that men's naturally do. So a woman can be plenty strong without the muscles being as clearly defined as a man's. For that matter, men can be quite strong without being as sculpted as a Schwarzenegger or Ferrigno. Look at old footage of circus strongmen, and they often looked kind of doughy by today's standards.

Diana was raised by an island of warrior women who trained to fight with melee weapons, which require more powerful bodies than those of the athletic women measured by "today's standards." Superpowers or not, Diana would not be built like a fashion model.

 

[Nerys Myk]

She's the Greek ideal of beauty (Beautiful as Aphrodite) so she should look like a Greek statue. Do ageless immortals need to work out?

 

[DWF]

Yo do understand that Zod wanted to restore Kryton by remaking the eart, Superman was trying to save the earth. Does nobody understand that Superman saved the earth from being terraformed into Kryton and therby saved the human race?

Well, yes, stopping Zod from whiping out mankind was crucial, obviously. But Superman didn't have to destroy the eggs to do that. And besides, Superman's line of dialogue in that moment was "Krypton had its chance", which is a judgment on a species that he was not in the least informed enough to make. All Kryptonians beside himself he knew were his Ghost Dad and Zod's evil warriors, that's it.

As for other Krytonian survivors, in the early pages of this thread there was a rumor that the Amazons were originally a colony of Kryton. It'll be interesting to see how true that turns out to be.

Again, even if that turns out to be true, how could that have informed Superman's decision to destroy the eggs? You as an audience member can say "Well, they still could bring other Kryptonians back", but even that feels unlikely to me. Imagine how unlikely it would be to Superman in that situation.

For all he knew, he whiped out any future of the Kryptonian species, and with that line of dialogue, it's at least implied that he pondered the question whether or not to do it and still did it.

Superman and humanity would've died for Kryton to have been reborn. The only person to stop that from happening was Superman, now hew could've done nothing and alloed humanity and himself to die, but Kryton lives in him quite literally. Of course with all the heroes set to appear in Batman VS Superman you hae to wonder where were they while all of this was going on? We know that Bruce Wayne was in Metropolis, but there's others who had teh time and didn't do anything.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Yo do understand that Zod wanted to restore Kryton by remaking the eart, Superman was trying to save the earth. Does nobody understand that Superman saved the earth from being terraformed into Kryton and therby saved the human race?

Well, yes, stopping Zod from whiping out mankind was crucial, obviously. But Superman didn't have to destroy the eggs to do that. And besides, Superman's line of dialogue in that moment was "Krypton had its chance", which is a judgment on a species that he was not in the least informed enough to make. All Kryptonians beside himself he knew were his Ghost Dad and Zod's evil warriors, that's it.

Krypton did have it's chance though. The Kryptonians are the ones who ravaged their planet to the brink of destrcution. Kryptonians are the ones who, as their planet was shaking beneath, and falling apart, decided to do nothing about it. The Kryptonian government (in every era from the Golden Age all the way to MOS) knew the planet was doomed and did nothing to try to save the population. That's the story of of Krypton though. They were advanced race of people, but destroyed themselves out of their own myopism and hubris.


Superman saying Krypton had it's chance isn't a judgement, so much as it is an assertion of fact. Superman/Kal-El is always either born on the last day or in the last week of Krypton's existence. Kal had nothing to do with the destruction of his home planet. And Zod showed him what would happen to Earth if Krypton was to be brought back.

It's not pretty, but when you want to hold to the story that Superman is "The Last Son Of Krypton", the other billions of Kryptonians have to bite the dust, somehow.

As for other Krytonian survivors, in the early pages of this thread there was a rumor that the Amazons were originally a colony of Kryton. It'll be interesting to see how true that turns out to be.

Again, even if that turns out to be true, how could that have informed Superman's decision to destroy the eggs? You as an audience member can say "Well, they still could bring other Kryptonians back", but even that feels unlikely to me. Imagine how unlikely it would be to Superman in that situation.

For all he knew, he whiped out any future of the Kryptonian species, and with that line of dialogue, it's at least implied that he pondered the question whether or not to do it and still did it.

Remember the eggs were empty and useless without the Codex. Also remember the eggs are only needed if a person wanted to establish artificial conception of future Kryptonians. Like I said in an earlier post, Kryptonians can conceive through normal means. They just prefer to skip the physical/intimate part and have machines do the work of combine genetic material and incubating fetuses till they're ready to be born.

It's an alien society, it's supposed to be different from ours.

 

[Aragorn]

Of course with all the heroes set to appear in Batman VS Superman you hae to wonder where were they while all of this was going on? We know that Bruce Wayne was in Metropolis, but there's others who had teh time and didn't do anything.

Hanging out at the bar with the Marvel superheroes during the events of Iron Man 3, Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Thor: The Dark World?

 

[atlantalliance]

I loved the Nolan films but I'm having trouble accepting Wonder Woman, Superman as all part of one universe. I think maybe I know how this movie will go, I have already seen Frank Miller's comicbook story Batman v Superman from a friend who collects and know of Hulk-ing characters like Doomsday in Saturday morning toons. I wonder if DC would have been wiser to do a stand-alone Wonder Woman movie....you have characters like Tomb Raider and tv like Agent Carter, would a Wonder Woman in a stand alone movie have not worked better?

 

[dahj]

^^
There is a Wonder Woman movie currently filming, coming out in 2017.

 

[Mage]

Diana was raised by an island of warrior women who trained to fight with melee weapons, which require more powerful bodies than those of the athletic women measured by "today's standards." Superpowers or not, Diana would not be built like a fashion model.

No, it doesn't. I've studied weaponry throughout the ages, and melee weapons aren't 5 kilogram heavy pieces of steel. A sword is a well-balanced weapon. Take for example the rather well known Oakeshott TypeXII. Most people know this as the typical one handed sword from the medieval ages. They would, on average, way just over or just lower then 1 kilogram, and could be easily wielded with one hand.
Same would go for the average spear or quarterstaff.

I know that movies has thought us that sword (except for ofcourse the bullshit about katana's) are brutally heavy, clumsy weapons. But it really doesn't take a lot of arm strenght to use one.

 

[DWF]

Of course with all the heroes set to appear in Batman VS Superman you hae to wonder where were they while all of this was going on? We know that Bruce Wayne was in Metropolis, but there's others who had teh time and didn't do anything.

Hanging out at the bar with the Marvel superheroes during the events of Iron Man 3, Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Thor: The Dark World?

I believe there's a time line showing all those events happening pretty closely together. And why do people forget how much help Cap. got in The Winter Soldier?

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Of course with all the heroes set to appear in Batman VS Superman you hae to wonder where were they while all of this was going on? We know that Bruce Wayne was in Metropolis, but there's others who had teh time and didn't do anything.

Hanging out at the bar with the Marvel superheroes during the events of Iron Man 3, Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Thor: The Dark World?

I believe there's a time line showing all those events happening pretty closely together. And why do people forget how much help Cap. got in The Winter Soldier?

Well Iron Man 3 happened in December around Christmas time. Tony Stark's house was blown up, Airforce One was blown up and the President was kidnapped by terrorists. And we saw neither hide nor hair of SHIELD or the other Earth bound Avengers.

Thor TDW happened mostly on Asgard, but the final fight happened in London, in the afternoon. No Avengers showing up is ok. They wouldn't have the time to assemble.

Captain America and Black Widow uncovered HYDRA was inbedded in SHIELD and planned to commit an act of mass murder using 3 arc reactor propulsion systems. The event appears to happen in the Spring. Hawkeye is a member of SHIELD and we don't see him. Stark works closely with SHIELD and helped design the new hellicarriers, and he doesn't get a call. Banner and Thor are around, but no one contacts them either. Captain America pulled off the impossible with the help of Fury, Hill, Falcon and Widow. In a plan that seems overly complicated when you look at the HISHE video. Same thing can be said about the scheme in Ant-Man.

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Honestly, you're not supposed to think about it. That's the nature of comics in a shared universe. Where the answer literally will be, the other characters were busy. Although the goings down in IM3 and TWS should've merited an Avengers response.

 

[Christopher]

Krypton did have it's chance though. The Kryptonians are the ones who ravaged their planet to the brink of destrcution. Kryptonians are the ones who, as their planet was shaking beneath, and falling apart, decided to do nothing about it. The Kryptonian government (in every era from the Golden Age all the way to MOS) knew the planet was doomed and did nothing to try to save the population. That's the story of of Krypton though. They were advanced race of people, but destroyed themselves out of their own myopism and hubris.

No race is a monolithic "they" marching in lockstep, except the Borg or something. Would you condemn the rank-and-file Kryptonians for the poor decisions of the small elite that happened to be running the government and military? That's always a shortsighted way of thinking. Remember that Superman was created by the sons of poor immigrants and was initially portrayed as a populist, working-class hero who defended the little guy against exploitation by the elites. Clark Kent grew up on a farm. This is not a person who would focus only on the decisions of the people running the government and dismiss the ordinary citizens as collateral damage.

(See also Doctor Who and Gallifrey. "The Day of the Doctor" and "Hell Bent" were about the Doctor deciding that it was wrong to condemn the ordinary people for the decisions of the corrupt leadership, and ultimately doing what he's always done, siding with the little guys against that corrupt power. Would Superman do any less?)

It's not pretty, but when you want to hold to the story that Superman is "The Last Son Of Krypton", the other billions of Kryptonians have to bite the dust, somehow.

But that doesn't mean it's a good storytelling choice to give Superman the option to bring his people back and decide to condemn them to extinction himself. That runs against everything Superman has ever stood for. He's the last son of Krypton by a circumstance that he would move heaven and earth to change if he could, but the one tragedy at the core of his optimistic story is that his own people are the ones he can't save even with all his power. Give him the power to save them and have him refuse, have him assume that his power gives him the right to dictate life and death rather than an unambiguous obligation to protect life, and he ceases to be Superman and becomes Zod.

I loved the Nolan films but I'm having trouble accepting Wonder Woman, Superman as all part of one universe.

It has always been thus with comic-book universes, especially DC. The characters were all created as separate entities in their own worlds, arising from different storytelling genres and styles, and DC's characters initially crossed over only infrequently and tenuously. So when they did finally become more integrated into a common universe, it became quite a hodgepodge of mismatched styles -- sci-fi, fantasy, myth, realism, etc.

I think maybe I know how this movie will go, I have already seen Frank Miller's comicbook story Batman v Superman from a friend who collects and know of Hulk-ing characters like Doomsday in Saturday morning toons.

Miller never wrote a story of that title. Maybe you're thinking of The Dark Knight Returns, which is a clear influence on this movie, but it's just as clear that the movie is far from being a direct adaptation of it.

I wonder if DC would have been wiser to do a stand-alone Wonder Woman movie....you have characters like Tomb Raider and tv like Agent Carter, would a Wonder Woman in a stand alone movie have not worked better?

There is already a standalone Wonder Woman movie in production for a June 2017 release. It's been filming since last month. It'll be the next DC film after Suicide Squad and before Justice League Part I. Chris Pine is playing Steve Trevor.

Well Iron Man 3 happened in December around Christmas time. Tony Stark's house was blown up, Airforce One was blown up and the President was kidnapped by terrorists. And we saw neither hide nor hair of SHIELD or the other Earth bound Avengers.

I think the idea is that events unfolded too quickly, and Tony was largely cut off from his normal lines of communication and thus wasn't in a position to call for help.

Thor TDW happened mostly on Asgard, but the final fight happened in London, in the afternoon. No Avengers showing up is ok. They wouldn't have the time to assemble.

And we did see SHIELD dealing with the cleanup in the following week's Agents of SHIELD episode.

Captain America and Black Widow uncovered HYDRA was inbedded in SHIELD and planned to commit an act of mass murder using 3 arc reactor propulsion systems. The event appears to happen in the Spring. Hawkeye is a member of SHIELD and we don't see him. Stark works closely with SHIELD and helped design the new hellicarriers, and he doesn't get a call.

Stark was briefly seen as one of the targets of Project Insight, I think. But in the wake of IM3, he seemed to have gone into retirement from superheroing; at the very least, he needed time to recover from the surgery that removed the arc reactor and fixed his heart. (I wish AoU had given some explanation for why he came out of retirement; my personal view is that it was in response to the unearthing of Hydra.) As for Hawkeye, maybe he was at home with his wife and family.

Banner and Thor are around, but no one contacts them either.

Thor was back on Earth, but we don't know if he let people know that. He seemed to be content to focus on being with Jane. As for Banner, maybe he's not someone you'd call in except as an absolute last resort. Would you really call the Hulk if you needed someone to swap out a microcircuit in a firing computer? Banner, sure, but given that he'd surely be facing resistance, he wouldn't stay Banner long enough to do the job.

Also, of course, there's the fact that SHIELD was being run by Hydra agents at that point, and Fury, Hill, Cap, and Widow were out in the cold. As with Tony in IM3, they didn't have access to their normal lines of communication. They had to make do with what resources and associates they could get their hands on.

Not to mention that, prior to TWS, the Avengers were still a SHIELD-run operation, and SHIELD was under Hydra control. It's possible that Pierce and his agents were working clandestinely to keep the Avengers from coming together as an effective force.

 

[ancient]

I'm just going to say - I'm cool with them either glossing over or completely retconning Wonder Woman's backstory. I don't even care if they throw out the Greek god connection entirely. Her clunky backstory is like a ball & chain around that character. Get her off the island!

 

[Tom Hendricks]

I'm just going to say - I'm cool with them either glossing over or completely retconning Wonder Woman's backstory. I don't even care if they throw out the Greek god connection entirely. Her clunky backstory is like a ball & chain around that character. Get her off the island!

Walt...WALT!!!!