The Walking Dead Season 6 Discussion

[sojourner]

Because it's a forgiveable mistake bordering on bad luck. It's not like Aaron purposely went out and pointed the wolves in the right direction.

If I were an alexandrian I would be upset at the outcome, but I don't think I would "blame" Aaron. It was a series of bad events.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

As for Aaron, count me in the group which says that he has nothing to feel bad for. He and Daryl got trapped in a seriously hairy situation and can't be faulted at all for losing some of his material while there.

Agreed. And while there's no harm in him feeling a little personal responsibility for the situation, the inverse is certainly not true. If anyone accuses him or takes it out on him, they're way out of line.

How is that "way out of line?" He's responsible for the wolves finding the ASZ. No other reason. They were not in the area, nor had they tracked some stray resident. He screwed up by panicking, and dropping that bag. In the history of the series, we have witnessed others in worse situations, but still kept their head.

Hell, Tyreese was was avoiding Governor soldiers and tank blasts, yet still saved Judith, and escaped the prison. He did not drop Judith, or fall over.

Aaron admitted his guilt--because he was guilty, and has to deal with all of the lost life.

You're making assumptions. We have no idea exactly how far away that wolf trap was from Alexandria, or how far away Morgan was when he was attacked by wolves in the woods, and haven't we seen zombies with W's in their foreheads at Alexandria last season? There is no reason whatsoever to assume that the wolves weren't in the area and therefore couldn't have found Alexandria without that bag. Especially since the bag didn't actually contain anything to tell them where Alexandria was - it only told them that Alexandria existed.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

You're making assumptions. We have no idea exactly how far away that wolf trap was from Alexandria, or how far away Morgan was when he was attacked by wolves in the woods, and haven't we seen zombies with W's in their foreheads at Alexandria last season? There is no reason whatsoever to assume that the wolves weren't in the area and therefore couldn't have found Alexandria without that bag.

Everything you posted is invalidated by the series making a point to show the wolves looking at Aaron's photos of the ASZ. That was the point of shooting that scene--that Aaron left a hard trail right to the doors (and lives) of ASZ.

Especially since the bag didn't actually contain anything to tell them where Alexandria was - it only told them that Alexandria existed.

If--as you say--you don't know how far away the wolf trap was away from the ASZ, and if that implies they could have been close, then nothing else would make finding it easier than nice, big, detailed photos of the area and its residents.

It seems strange that some are trying to provide such hard cover for Aaron, when I remember some WD fans screaming against young Carl for attracting the walker who killed Dale--blaming him for wandering to the area and allegedly "taunting" the walker. He was a young child, and had no idea the walker would find the farm, but in Aaron's case, this adult panicked, and dropped the bag.

Moreover, the whole "recruitment" number--and carrying around detailed photos is an idiotic idea in any case. If you ran into the wrong crowd--particularly if they are destitute--and they obtain the photos, nothing would stop them from searching until they located what promises to be shelter, security, food (or in Joe & Randall's gangs) or bodies to sexually assault.

Some WD need to remember that the ASZ residents were designed to be seriously inept, some are shifty and draw false conclusions about the world, hence Rick's team thinking they have to intervene in order to save their lives. From leaving threatened people behind (the steel yard, along with Nicholas & Aiden's own words), to spying on strangers for "recruitment" without knowing how well any stragglers will put on an act every time they enter a new zone.

If Aaron ran into post-prison Governor, the latter would twisted his way into that area and turned it into Woodbury 2, because his naiveté would have led Aaron to march just about anyone through the ASZ gates, if their act was believable.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

You're making assumptions. We have no idea exactly how far away that wolf trap was from Alexandria, or how far away Morgan was when he was attacked by wolves in the woods, and haven't we seen zombies with W's in their foreheads at Alexandria last season? There is no reason whatsoever to assume that the wolves weren't in the area and therefore couldn't have found Alexandria without that bag.

Everything you posted is invalidated by the series making a point to show the wolves looking at Aaron's photos of the ASZ. That was the point of shooting that scene--that Aaron left a hard trail right to the doors (and lives) of ASZ.

Well, no.

No one, including me, is disputing that Aaron's photos drew the Wolves' attention. The point is that there is a very strong chance the Wolves would've found them anyway, even without the photos.

Especially since the bag didn't actually contain anything to tell them where Alexandria was - it only told them that Alexandria existed.

If--as you say--you don't know how far away the wolf trap was away from the ASZ, and if that implies they could have been close, then nothing else would make finding it easier than nice, big, detailed photos of the area and its residents.

It seems strange that some are trying to provide such hard cover for Aaron, when I remember some WD fans screaming against young Carl for attracting the walker who killed Dale--blaming him for wandering to the area and allegedly "taunting" the walker. He was a young child, and had no idea the walker would find the farm, but in Aaron's case, this adult panicked, and dropped the bag.

Carl was an idiot for going off into the woods on his own and playing with dangerous animals. The fact that the walker later found its way back to the farm and killed Dale, though, is completely irrelevant, and in no way Carl's fault.

Moreover, the whole "recruitment" number--and carrying around detailed photos is an idiotic idea in any case. If you ran into the wrong crowd--particularly if they are destitute--and they obtain the photos, nothing would stop them from searching until they located what promises to be shelter, security, food (or in Joe & Randall's gangs) or bodies to sexually assault.

This is 100% true. But, like you say, this was the entire MO of Alexandria before Rick et al arrived, so for any of the others to blame Aaron for it would be massively hypocritical. There's no way in hell he was the only person who signed off on those trips or the photos. And when Rick and the group joined up without ever mentioning a word about those photos or even trying to raise the question of recruitment until long after more trips had already taken place, they basically gave up their right to blame anyone for the pictures either.

So at the end of the day, the only thing Aaron did was accidentally drop a bag and be unable to retrieve it. That's hardly the first time that's happened on this show (hell, Rick lost his bag full of guns in the very first episode), and it's not a legitimate reason to attack someone.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Well, no.

No one, including me, is disputing that Aaron's photos drew the Wolves' attention. The point is that there is a very strong chance the Wolves would've found them anyway, even without the photos.

There's no on screen evidence the Wolves were nearby, or even close enough to stumble across ASZ. Again, the series made a point to show the wolves looking at Aaron's photos of the ASZ, and from there, discover the ASZ, then plan to attack. Obviously Aaron believes this to be true, hence his admitting his guilt--which is supported by the fact that for the life of ASZ, they never faced any attacks from the Wolves--until he dropped his pack.

]Carl was an idiot for going off into the woods on his own and playing with dangerous animals. The fact that the walker later found its way back to the farm and killed Dale, though, is completely irrelevant, and in no way Carl's fault.

Carl was not an idiot. He was a child being adventurous, then trying to prove his own survival skill by trying to shoot the walker (the reason he swiped Daryl's gun). He was being an ordinary kid, but some fans still blamed him for Dale's death.

Another case of a character not deserving blame was Carol for the death of Ana (the woman with the poorly healed leg in "Indifference") because she suggested they help look for supplies instead of stay in that house. They ignore the fact Sam rejected just sitting around while Carol & Rick searched. Sam & Ana were adults making adult decisions, but somehow, Carol was to blame.

So at the end of the day, the only thing Aaron did was accidentally drop a bag and be unable to retrieve it. That's hardly the first time that's happened on this show (hell, Rick lost his bag full of guns in the very first episode), and it's not a legitimate reason to attack someone.

Rick dropping the guns did not threaten and/or lead to the death of others. He was alone at that point (aside from the ill-fated horse), and had not been contacted by Glenn and the rest of the Atlanta group, so he only had a responsibility to himself--not an entire town full of meek people.

 

[Takeru]

Rick dropping the guns did not threaten and/or lead to the death of others. He was alone at that point (aside from the ill-fated horse), and had not been contacted by Glenn and the rest of the Atlanta group, so he only had a responsibility to himself--not an entire town full of meek people.

You're missing the point, it doesn't matter if Rick was alone at that point in time. What matters is that he dropped a bag and was unable to immediately retrieve it, things like that happen and it's no one's fault. It's not like Rick would have magically not lost the bag of guns if a map to camp dinner bell had been included.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

You're missing the point, it doesn't matter if Rick was alone at that point in time. What matters is that he dropped a bag and was unable to immediately retrieve it,

No, you are missing the point: Rick was alone and did not have full-on advertising about an entire town and its residents in that gun bag. This is not about the act of just being clumsy, but Aaron had the lives of all of the ASZ residents in his hands. That was a life or death responsibility. There's no comparison to Rick losing the gun bag.

 

[Ryan8bit]

Carl was an idiot for going off into the woods on his own and playing with dangerous animals. The fact that the walker later found its way back to the farm and killed Dale, though, is completely irrelevant, and in no way Carl's fault.

Think of it this way though, if Carl had killed the zombie or told someone about the zombie, then Dale wouldn't have been attacked by it.

However, if Aaron had not dropped his bag, that is not a guarantee that the Wolves wouldn't find Alexandria. Especially since there didn't seem to be any specific directions to the place in the bag.

You know what would draw more people to Alexandria? Any and all gunfire that has occurred. This would be many times more of a draw than some pictures of some houses, fences, and solar panels.

I understand why Aaron feels guilt for that, but Maggie was right in reassuring him that it wasn't his fault.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Well, no.

No one, including me, is disputing that Aaron's photos drew the Wolves' attention. The point is that there is a very strong chance the Wolves would've found them anyway, even without the photos.

There's no on screen evidence the Wolves were nearby, or even close enough to stumble across ASZ. Again, the series made a point to show the wolves looking at Aaron's photos of the ASZ, and from there, discover the ASZ, then plan to attack. Obviously Aaron believes this to be true, hence his admitting his guilt--which is supported by the fact that for the life of ASZ, they never faced any attacks from the Wolves--until he dropped his pack.

The onscreen evidence is that Alexandria has been ridiculously lucky for years. Assuming that a lack of attacks is due to the wolves not being present is the less likely assumption under the circumstances. Not to mention that there is no on screen evidence that the wolves have even existed that long.

]Carl was an idiot for going off into the woods on his own and playing with dangerous animals. The fact that the walker later found its way back to the farm and killed Dale, though, is completely irrelevant, and in no way Carl's fault.

Carl was not an idiot. He was a child being adventurous, then trying to prove his own survival skill by trying to shoot the walker (the reason he swiped Daryl's gun). He was being an ordinary kid, but some fans still blamed him for Dale's death.

He was being an idiot. Yes, as a kid, its not entirely his fault, but that doesn't change the fact that what he did was incredibly stupid and he was old enough at that point to know better.

Another case of a character not deserving blame was Carol for the death of Ana (the woman with the poorly healed leg in "Indifference") because she suggested they help look for supplies instead of stay in that house. They ignore the fact Sam rejected just sitting around while Carol & Rick searched. Sam & Ana were adults making adult decisions, but somehow, Carol was to blame.

Why does any of this matter? You're not talking to whichever people it was who told you all about these characters being 'at fault' for other people's deaths. 'What many fans said' has no relevance to any particular person's position.

So at the end of the day, the only thing Aaron did was accidentally drop a bag and be unable to retrieve it. That's hardly the first time that's happened on this show (hell, Rick lost his bag full of guns in the very first episode), and it's not a legitimate reason to attack someone.

Rick dropping the guns did not threaten and/or lead to the death of others. He was alone at that point (aside from the ill-fated horse), and had not been contacted by Glenn and the rest of the Atlanta group, so he only had a responsibility to himself--not an entire town full of meek people.

It threatened his own life, certainly. Maybe that makes it 'easier to bear' or some crap, but there's no getting around the fact that mistakes happen. Bags get lost sometimes. Trying to shame people for such a simple mistake in the middle of a life and death situation is worse than pointless.

Not to mention: No-one in Alexandria ever stopped to realize the importance of those photos. Not just Aaron. Nobody. Not even Rick or Darryl or any of the others ever went up to Aaron and said 'You do realize those are incredibly dangerous if they ever fall into the wrong hands?'

You don't get to blame people for not realizing the importance of something if you never even tried to tell them the importance of it. If someone is carrying a dangerously volatile explosive, you make damn sure they know how dangerously volatile it is and will treat it with respect.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

The onscreen evidence is that Alexandria has been ridiculously lucky for years. Assuming that a lack of attacks is due to the wolves not being present is the less likely assumption under the circumstances. Not to mention that there is no on screen evidence that the wolves have even existed that long.

One, "lucky" has nothing to do with whether or not the Wolves were in the area before finding Aaron's pack. It does not exist, and the season 5 finale made a clear point to show the wolf fingering / looking at the photos (and whatever else was in the bag).

Two, from the complexity of the truck traps, and their attack methodology, it can be strongly argued that the Wolves did not spring up overnight. Even in their psychotic, animistic nature there rests a seasoned process.

He was being an idiot. Yes, as a kid, its not entirely his fault, but that doesn't change the fact that what he did was incredibly stupid and he was old enough at that point to know better.

This is season 2 Carl we're talking about, who was still very young, very emotional, barely started gun training, and with little for him to do, reverted to typical childlike behavior.

Why does any of this matter? You're not talking to whichever people it was who told you all about these characters being 'at fault' for other people's deaths. 'What many fans said' has no relevance to any particular person's position.

It matters as a point of relevant reference about the same series, and those who made similar judgements about its characters.

t threatened his own life, certainly. Maybe that makes it 'easier to bear' or some crap, but there's no getting around the fact that mistakes happen. Bags get lost sometimes. Trying to shame people for such a simple mistake in the middle of a life and death situation is worse than pointless.

Not to mention: No-one in Alexandria ever stopped to realize the importance of those photos. Not just Aaron.

He's the resident ambassador of the ASZ, so every time he went on another recruitment mission with that bag, the lives of the residents were on his shoulders.

If someone is carrying a dangerously volatile explosive, you make damn sure they know how dangerously volatile it is and will treat it with respect.

Oh, come on. The fact he carried his recruitment materials at all meant Deanna and the rest were aware of what he was doing, and thought it worked. Further, Aaron did not just land on earth; he's well into adulthood, and has a certain amount of experience, to wit, he was cautious when scouting out Rick's crew, so he cannot be passed off as some completely clueless rube. He was aware of risks then--and he had to be just as aware when dealing with the wolf traps.

 

[Morpheus 02]

Regarding the grendelsbayne / Trek God 1 debate

i'm on Team Aaron...the photos are part of what convinced Rick & Co. to go to Alexandria, no? And without Rick & Co., Aleandria would've been overrun by ALL the Quarry Walkers, or if they survived, would've been ravaged by the Wolves eventually.

True, the Wolves discovery of Alexandria was accelerated by the backpack, but they were clearly on the trajectory toward Alexandria. The Wolves were at Noah's place, and later had their little trap, which was CLOSER to Alexandria.

Do the Wolves have vehicles? How much did they walk to Alexandria from where they were?

If Aaron's photos (and his recruiting in general) , helped bring helpful people like RIck, then certainy worth the risk, no?

Also, what other useful Alexandrians were recruited by Aaron? The new doctor?

 

[Grendelsbayne]

The onscreen evidence is that Alexandria has been ridiculously lucky for years. Assuming that a lack of attacks is due to the wolves not being present is the less likely assumption under the circumstances. Not to mention that there is no on screen evidence that the wolves have even existed that long.

One, "lucky" has nothing to do with whether or not the Wolves were in the area before finding Aaron's pack. It does not exist, and the season 5 finale made a clear point to show the wolf fingering / looking at the photos (and whatever else was in the bag).

Two, from the complexity of the truck traps, and their attack methodology, it can be strongly argued that the Wolves did not spring up overnight. Even in their psychotic, animistic nature there rests a seasoned process.

I agree that they probably didn't spring up overnight. But that doesn't mean they've been there the whole time, either. They probably started out some period of time after Alexandria already existed (Alexandria dates back to the beginning of the apocalypse, after all), and they may very well have started out some place farther away and been slowly expanding.

He was being an idiot. Yes, as a kid, its not entirely his fault, but that doesn't change the fact that what he did was incredibly stupid and he was old enough at that point to know better.

This is season 2 Carl we're talking about, who was still very young, very emotional, barely started gun training, and with little for him to do, reverted to typical childlike behavior.


It matters as a point of relevant reference about the same series, and those who made similar judgements about its characters.

'Those who made similiar judgements' are not relevant to this discussion and Carl and Carol's past problems are not relevant to Aaron's current problem.

t threatened his own life, certainly. Maybe that makes it 'easier to bear' or some crap, but there's no getting around the fact that mistakes happen. Bags get lost sometimes. Trying to shame people for such a simple mistake in the middle of a life and death situation is worse than pointless.

Not to mention: No-one in Alexandria ever stopped to realize the importance of those photos. Not just Aaron.

He's the resident ambassador of the ASZ, so every time he went on another recruitment mission with that bag, the lives of the residents were on his shoulders.

If someone is carrying a dangerously volatile explosive, you make damn sure they know how dangerously volatile it is and will treat it with respect.

Oh, come on. The fact he carried his recruitment materials at all meant Deanna and the rest were aware of what he was doing, and thought it worked. Further, Aaron did not just land on earth; he's well into adulthood, and has a certain amount of experience, to wit, he was cautious when scouting out Rick's crew, so he cannot be passed off as some completely clueless rube. He was aware of risks then--and he had to be just as aware when dealing with the wolf traps.

He was aware of the risks of dealing with strangers. Nothing about anyone's behavior suggested any awareness of the danger of those photos. Should they all have known better? Absolutely. But that's the entire point of Alexandria. They got ridiculously lucky, so they are still at the point that everyone else was at in season 1, ie, they're only just now learning how to deal with these things properly.

 

[Trekker4747]

Alexandria doesn't exist on the island from Lost where you have to take a specific route to get there and then still ride on hopes and wishes in order to stumble upon it. The place wasn't exactly hiding. The Wolves would have found it sooner or later, Aaron's pack may have moved this time-table up, sure, but it was inevitable. They found and established themselves at the warehouse which wasn't far from Alexandria so they seemed to be in the area as it is.

And it's not like Aaron set the pack on the ground and put a bunch of cookies on it with a sign that said, "Come and see us at Alexandria! - XOXOXO"

He dropped it when he was being attacked by walkers and never had a chance to recover it.

It was an accident and one that was pretty much unavoidable. He has nothing to be guilty of.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

He was aware of the risks of dealing with strangers. Nothing about anyone's behavior suggested any awareness of the danger of those photos.

If Aaron was aware--and clearly he was in being cautious in his recruitment approach--then the rest of ASZ (who were aware of what he's doing) knew if a series of photos of their entire town posed a danger if they fell in the wrong hands.

If The Walking Dead has taught anything, its that people take responsibility for their actions:

• Carol admitting and explained why she killed Karen and David.
• T-Dog admitted he dropped the key to Merle's handcuffs, and blamed himself.

I'm sure there are other examples, but the characters accepted their responsibility. Aaron has too, which was the right thing to do. If he did not blame himself, he would seem just as self serving and sniveling as Nicholas and others, where anything that goes wrong is always the fault of someone else, or you know nothing about it at all.

 

[Trekker4747]

Carol's "admission" isn't nearly the same thing as either T-Dog's or Aaron's.

First of all, Carol killed Karen and David and concealed it! She also did it to two people who were isolated and presented no present threat to the rest of the prison's community. She killed them under some misguided understanding of how virus transmission works. (And don't give me any of this stuff that Karen and David were dead anyway, that's arguing semantics that aren't there. Carol didn't mercy-kill Karen and David to prevent their suffering from the "swine flu" attacking the prison and subsequent reanimation she did it in order to "prevent the spread" of the virus. Something she risked happening just by being in the same area as the only two people showing symptoms at that point.

T-Dog accidentally dropped the cuff-key and it just happened to fall down the drain and he had to get out of there. He admitted it right away, it wasn't something he could be directly blamed for as shit happens. The person more responsible for Merle, Rick, also admitted his role in things when talking to Daryl about how Merle got locked-up and left behind. Rick was far more responsible than the thing with the key. T-Dog couldn't help what became of the key when he fell, Rick made the decision to lock up Merle.

Similarly, Aaron's dropping of the pack was just shit-luck. He was in a tight situation, back to the wall, and circumstances conspired against him that caused the pack to get left behind. It's not like he set it down with a note on it, "Take me! LOL!"

Props to Aaron and T-Dog for admitting it, but they had nothing to admit to. They did nothing wrong.

Carol didn't admit to shit until she had her back to the wall and had to with Rick and she only admitted what happened to Tyrese because of the emotions of that day (the death of Mica and Lizzie.)

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Carol's "admission" isn't nearly the same thing as either T-Dog's or Aaron's.

First of all, Carol killed Karen and David and concealed it!

Carol didn't admit to shit until she had her back to the wall and had to with Rick

Rick asked a question, but he had no evidence at all--just a hand print, which could have been produced from any number of people in the prison who were still able bodied. Carol answered a direct question because she was being honest.

and she only admitted what happened to Tyrese because of the emotions of that day (the death of Mica and Lizzie.)

She did not have to tell Tyreese anything at that point. They were both devestated enough about the Samuels sisters, so she could have dealt with that matter independently. It was her own sense of honesty that was wearing on her throughout "The Grove," (before Mika was murdered) as she could not look Tyreese in the face, with his professed trust, and not know what was the right thing to do. Further, when she admitted her role, she was willing to accept whatever his response would be. Tyreese forgave her because he understood why she committed the act, which was not out of malice, insanity, or anything other than the protection of the prison population.

She also did it to two people who were isolated and presented no present threat to the rest of the prison's community.

Was the cell Karen and David occupied locked? If not, that means if they turned, they could get out and attack anyone. From episode one, we already know walkers know how to open doors (Morgan's long dead wife still turning the doorknob), and push it aside. The mass reanimation in the prison (season 4) illustrated that the untreated were almost guaranteed a death sentence.

T-Dog accidentally dropped the cuff-key and it just happened to fall down the drain and he had to get out of there. He admitted it right away, it wasn't something he could be directly blamed for as shit happens.

Of course he could be blamed for it, which explains his nervous behavior when the group discussed how to tell Daryl (still on his food hunt). Moreover, after discovering Merle's hand, Daryl aimed his crossbow at T-Dog.

Blame, not "shit happens."

The same as Aaron--it is not "shit happens" to drop what amounted to intelligence information on the ASZ. Carrying that around--and trying to be cautious was his job, so it was an acknowledgement of the risks. He would be a most slithery character to not admit how the wolves found the ASZ--and that's only reason the Wolves' pack discovery--and Aaron's confession were shot at all. There's no need to shoot extraneous scenes.

T-Dog couldn't help what became of the key when he fell, Rick made the decision to lock up Merle.

There was a bag of tools there. After losing the key, he could have grabbed pliers or that infamous hacksaw and set Merle free. Before anyone says, "he had to get out of there," then that speaks to a very selfish choice to leave someone behind--even as he chained the door.Let's be clear, he never said he chained it with the intention of going back to rescue Merle (since the group's own escape from the store / survival was in question). So, locking Merle on a rooftop several stories high did not leave options (from T-Dog's POV) of escape.

...but at least he admitted his guilt--as he should have--just like Aaron.

 

[Mojochi]

Clearly Aaron was in error, in what he did, & bears some culpability for how things went down, but the question we should ask is this

Is Aaron's naiveté or downright stupidity something that should be held against him, considering his peers? We've spent an entire season detailing how, sheltered, inept & ill-equipped the people of Alexandria have been through this ordeal

I view that transgression as something which Alexandrian natives can hardly judge Aaron poorly for, because they too are all just as inept, & Rick's group can't really object too harshly, because they've known all along how badly prepared these people are, & chose to stay with them anyway

Aaron's mistake, & that's all it was, can hardly be looked down upon, relative to a whole group of people who let their inept & cowardly scouting parties come back missing members for however long, & whined about pasta makers while it happened. Surely this slip in security can be clumped in with the overall lack of adaptability that everyone there has long been guilty of

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Mojochi: Clearly Aaron was in error, in what he did, & bears some culpability for how things went down, but the question we should ask is this

Is Aaron's naiveté or downright stupidity something that should be held against him, considering his peers? We've spent an entire season detailing how, sheltered, inept & ill-equipped the people of Alexandria have been through this ordeal

Some WD fans were calling for Father Gabriel to be killed just because he left the gate open in the season 5 finale, with only a small number of walkers entering the area. Gabriel was not clear-headed at that time--half suicidal, bitter and dealing with guilt, but Aaron was supposed to be level headed on his recruitment missions--with a bag holding the key to the entire community. After all of that, some are performing mental gymnastics to give him a free pass, in the wake of several of his neighbors being slaughtered.

I view that transgression as something which Alexandrian natives can hardly judge Aaron poorly for, because they too are all just as inept, & Rick's group can't really object too harshly, because they've known all along how badly prepared these people are, & chose to stay with them anyway[/quote]

Acknowledging how inept they were was an issue from the start, hence Rick's "we'll take this place" on his first night there. Now, it has become deadly--all due to the accepted practice of walking around with ASZ intel in Aaron's bag. The wolves just as easily could have killed Carl, Judith, Maggie, or any of the other main characters, and that would be no random event of the Wolves stumbling their way to ASZ by accident.

Again, that was the point of the S5 finale shot of long hair wolf finding the photos. The writers/director was telegraphing causation thanks to Aaron's practice of using ASZ photos as part of the recruitment package.

Aaron's mistake, & that's all it was, can hardly be looked down upon, relative to a whole group of people who let their inept & cowardly scouting parties come back missing members for however long

Nicholas, Aiden (in dialogue) and the construction crew (attempting to leave Francine, as seen on screen) leaving people behind is pure guilt--but even that does not compare to what the wolves did to ASZ, and the fact that the location is now known to the entire, deadly organization. So, with every new wolf attack, the survivors have one to thank for a problem they did not have before.


, & whined about pasta makers while it happened. Surely this slip in security can be clumped in with the overall lack of adaptability that everyone there has long been guilty of

 

[sojourner]

I'm glad you're the only one in the thread that has everything figured out.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I'm sure the mods will love to know you're attacking members again.