The Walking Dead Season 6 Discussion

[TREK_GOD_1]

No, he warned him about staying there because he'd be alone. When he said that Morgan couldn't expect others like him to appear, that was sarcasm, meaning that Morgan was pretty dangerous anyways, and that the cabin was fairly remote.

The dialogue--

You can stay here. You have enough food, power, security. For the rest of your life, you could stay here.
But you shouldn't stay here. Can't expect such a splendid guest as yourself to show up

Was a bit of sarcasm, but I do think he was also offering a sideline compliment about the real Morgan he uncovered (considering Eastman's background), as he believed that insane man was not Morgan's true self, and that real Morgan might end up encountering dangerous people.

Again, I say there's no longer any isolated places from wandering strangers. Randall's gang found the town near the Greene farm, Joe's gang knew no borders, the mutilated bodies discovered by the Governor 2.0 group were located in the middle of the woods, but again, someone found and killed them. Even Rick's rescue party stumbled across that isolated, crazy man (who was killed by Michonne).

No one is truly isolated in that world.

 

[sojourner]

^Ahem, you're ignoring the bolded word.

You can stay here. You have enough food, power, security. For the rest of your life, you could stay here.
But you shouldn't stay here.Can't expect such a splendid guest as yourself to show up

The problem with the virus, when you think about it, is that if everybody has it. As is stated in the show. Then why would the virus develop the zombie activity traits at all? Unless of course, that used to be the only transmission method before it went "airborne".

The reanimation aspects are actually now just vestigial and no longer needed by the virus to propagate.

 

[hux]

Raising the question... If a walker licked a person's open wound, would they get infected? I'm leaning toward yes. If not, then it's literally infecting from the tooth enamel itself,

I'm thinking the teeth simply create an open wound but the virus itself isn't connected to the teeth but rather is concentrated in the mouth. So even breathing on an open wound should qualify as a means of transmission.

But that requires a discussion about whether zombies actually possess breath or not.

 

[theenglish]

No, he warned him about staying there because he'd be alone. When he said that Morgan couldn't expect others like him to appear, that was sarcasm, meaning that Morgan was pretty dangerous anyways, and that the cabin was fairly remote.

The dialogue--

You can stay here. You have enough food, power, security. For the rest of your life, you could stay here.
But you shouldn't stay here. Can't expect such a splendid guest as yourself to show up

Was a bit of sarcasm, but I do think he was also offering a sideline compliment about the real Morgan he uncovered (considering Eastman's background), as he believed that insane man was not Morgan's true self, and that real Morgan might end up encountering dangerous people.

Again, I say there's no longer any isolated places from wandering strangers. Randall's gang found the town near the Greene farm, Joe's gang knew no borders, the mutilated bodies discovered by the Governor 2.0 group were located in the middle of the woods, but again, someone found and killed them. Even Rick's rescue party stumbled across that isolated, crazy man (who was killed by Michonne).

No one is truly isolated in that world.

But then he goes on to say that people and companionship are the only things that are important in the world.

 

[Ryan8bit]

Yep, you can't selectively quote what he said. He didn't say to not stay there because it's dangerous. It's probably actually more dangerous to go find people, which is what he did recommend. But it's what Morgan needed, and I think Eastman was thinking that he himself needed other people too.

The place was somewhat remote. While it may be true that nothing is any longer isolated, there will still be places that are less visited by people. Just by the sheer math of it. Not that the producers are really concerned with that though. While Morgan was out in the woods this episode, he ran into two groups of two, and Eastman. That's a pretty high density for this type of area when you consider how many people are left alive in the world. So whether or not Eastman dealt with a lot of people is unknown. The outcomes of such encounters just don't really make sense though.

 

[RJDiogenes]

As we saw in Fear The Walking Dead, the initial outbreak involved tons of people dying from the "flu." Since we know that everybody is infected, we know that all the survivors have that level of immunity. If they are bitten, though, that exceeds the immune system's ability to fight off the virus for whatever reason and they die the same way as the people in the first wave. Then they reanimate.

But it may be that there are people with an even greater level of immunity who can survive a bite as well. It would be something interesting to bring into the mix, and give some hope that the virus could eventually be defeated.

 

[Ryan8bit]

Have we seen someone die/turn from a scratch? And I'm guessing were talking a meaningful, deep, scratch. A scrape. Not a steak of rough skin and red lines in the top layer.

Nope, no one has turned from a scratch so far. Just as no one has demonstrated any hint of immunity, contrary to how may times people keep alluding to immunity in this thread.

It's weird though, how come they were so eager to kill Big Tiny? Is it just misunderstanding? I thought somehow we were given an impression that a scratch was as bad as a bite, but is that just a myth? Morgan seemed to indicate that in the first episode, and several other independent characters perpetuated it. I thought we even heard producers once say that walkers had some terrible stuff under their fingernails.

 

[sojourner]

As we saw in Fear The Walking Dead, the initial outbreak involved tons of people dying from the "flu."

Incorrect. We had a couple mentions of low attendance at the school being attibuted to a flu. We never actually got any kind of confirmation that it was related or resulted in deaths.

But it may be that there are people with an even greater level of immunity who can survive a bite as well. It would be something interesting to bring into the mix, and give some hope that the virus could eventually be defeated.

There has been no evidence to support this at all.

 

[Gary Mitchell]

Why not? It was a designated graveyard.

For random passing walkers.

...and his beloved goat Tabitha.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

As we saw in Fear The Walking Dead, the initial outbreak involved tons of people dying from the "flu." Since we know that everybody is infected, we know that all the survivors have that level of immunity. If they are bitten, though, that exceeds the immune system's ability to fight off the virus for whatever reason and they die the same way as the people in the first wave. Then they reanimate.

Sound reasoning. There is an immunity issue at work; although all have the walker virus, some are able to withstand whatever it does to the immune system--the reason there were survivors far beyond the outbreak, and those who simply did not die form so opportunistic a virus, otherwise, the "flu" which ripped through the prison would have killed everyone outright, with no amount of treatment able to pull victims back from the edge. Some--like Glenn--was able to recover with the short window of treatment he received before the arrival of the Governor.

But it may be that there are people with an even greater level of immunity who can survive a bite as well. It would be something interesting to bring into the mix, and give some hope that the virus could eventually be defeated.

Now that i'm not certain about. Something is in the mouth area of walkers that have proven to be lethal, and no alternate treatments have ever countered that, other than amputation, if possible. Like living humans, the mouth contains a storehouse of sometimes life-threatening bacteria, so why would walkers not carry their own--only all exclusively stems from the virus, which the walker body never stops producing, even in a state of constant decomposition?

 

[hux]

New topic.

Any theories on the letter A. The container they were held in at Terminus had an A on it. Gareth painted a red A on the side of the church. The Alexandrians use it as a sign of solidarity or something. Then there was the A Carol saw on the porch.

Maybe it simply represents Carol's journey. Seeing the A in Alexandria reminded her that they're still no better than they were when they were in that container at Terminus. Still contained in a place waiting for the animals to come and slaughter them.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

New topic.

Any theories on the letter A. The container they were held in at Terminus had an A on it. Gareth painted a red A on the side of the church. The Alexandrians use it as a sign of solidarity or something. Then there was the A Carol saw on the porch.

Maybe it simply represents Carol's journey. Seeing the A in Alexandria reminded her that they're still no better than they were when they were in that container at Terminus. Still contained in a place waiting for the animals to come and slaughter them.

Carol never had personal experience with that train car, so I doubt she would see a parallel between her ASZ "A" / situation and Terminus. Moreover, she's now breaking down at the deaths caused by the Wolves (fatigue finally getting to her), but there's never been a time where she--practical and aware as anyone in the group--did not think they were safe. From the farm to the prison and beyond, she's always believed threats were possible, which is the reason she quickly acted when the Wolves attacked.

Of all of the series heroes, I think Michonne fits your analysis more than Carol, since she's sensitive to trying to maintain her humanity and beliving in hope, rather than being the single-minded death dealer like Rick, or season 5 Sasha.

 

[Starkers]

Did I imagine it or was Morgan scrawling an A on a rock or a tree this week in the flashback?

 

[RJDiogenes]

As we saw in Fear The Walking Dead, the initial outbreak involved tons of people dying from the "flu."

Incorrect. We had a couple mentions of low attendance at the school being attibuted to a flu. We never actually got any kind of confirmation that it was related or resulted in deaths.

No, there were people falling ill and dying from an outbreak, like the teenage girl's boyfriend. That's how the Zombies were able to get ahead of authorities. It happened faster than it would have just from natural deaths.

But it may be that there are people with an even greater level of immunity who can survive a bite as well. It would be something interesting to bring into the mix, and give some hope that the virus could eventually be defeated.

There has been no evidence to support this at all.

No, that's just me thinking. But that's generally how immunity works. For any plague, there are people with some level of immunity to it and, when the population rebounds, that immunity is present in most of the population.

 

[theenglish]

As we saw in Fear The Walking Dead, the initial outbreak involved tons of people dying from the "flu."

Incorrect. We had a couple mentions of low attendance at the school being attibuted to a flu. We never actually got any kind of confirmation that it was related or resulted in deaths.

But it may be that there are people with an even greater level of immunity who can survive a bite as well. It would be something interesting to bring into the mix, and give some hope that the virus could eventually be defeated.

There has been no evidence to support this at all.

Didn't the boyfriend get the flu and presumably die from it?

 

[Servo]

As we saw in Fear The Walking Dead, the initial outbreak involved tons of people dying from the "flu."

Incorrect. We had a couple mentions of low attendance at the school being attibuted to a flu. We never actually got any kind of confirmation that it was related or resulted in deaths.

But it may be that there are people with an even greater level of immunity who can survive a bite as well. It would be something interesting to bring into the mix, and give some hope that the virus could eventually be defeated.

There has been no evidence to support this at all.

Didn't the boyfriend get the flu and presumably die from it?

Whose boyfriend? Alicia's? He got bit, they showed the wound. Flu was nothing to do with it.

 

[sojourner]

No, there were people falling ill and dying from an outbreak, like the teenage girl's boyfriend.

Incorrect. He was bitten. we were shown the wound. There was no display of anyone dying from the flu in FTWD.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Incorrect. We had a couple mentions of low attendance at the school being attibuted to a flu. We never actually got any kind of confirmation that it was related or resulted in deaths.There has been no evidence to support this at all.

Didn't the boyfriend get the flu and presumably die from it?

Whose boyfriend? Alicia's? He got bit, they showed the wound. Flu was nothing to do with it.

He was bit.

What about the sick people in the army's makeshift hospital? They were not all bite cases (neither was Griselda Salazar, for that matter, who died of infection from her injury), so there was only one thing responsible for their being in a military-run temp hospital....

 

[hux]

Carol never had personal experience with that train car, so I doubt she would see a parallel between her ASZ "A" / situation and Terminus.

Then maybe it simply represents the groups journey as a whole. Alexandria being no better for them than their Terminus experience. Whatever it represents metaphorically, there is still the question of what it means in-universe.

Did I imagine it or was Morgan scrawling an A on a rock or a tree this week in the flashback?

He was carving something on one tree and there was another tree behind him with a big red A on it (presumably his handy work).

I'm pretty sure this was long before he knew anything about Alexandria so any connection to that doesn't work (nor does the A at the church). I'm not sure if the A is some kind of in-joke or if it has greater significance.

 

[Mojochi]

What about the sick people in the army's makeshift hospital? They were not all bite cases (neither was Griselda Salazar, for that matter, who died of infection from her injury), so there was only one thing responsible for their being in a military-run temp hospital....

The army doctor shared the knowledge of all dead people turning with the main dude’s wife. The army knows anyone who dies will turn. That’s why they took every high risk resident out of the safe zone, Griselda, The bedridden guy & the junkie kid (Who only had a high fever from withdrawl). They weren’t taking any chances of having an outbreak within the perimeter, if anyone died in there

I honestly don’t recall anything that substantiates the claim that the flu spread without bites. The symptoms resembled a terrible flu & got mistaken as such. I’ve always taken it that the outbreak began with the recently deceased rising up & infecting people & starting a rapid chain reaction of people dying from that & infecting more,

Basically ignorance is how this spread. The dead rose, & people just assumed they weren’t dead. Then people got bit & infected, but didn’t realize they were going to get sick from it, & die. So when they did, people still hadn’t quite figured out that they’d rise up after that. Then, even after they began realizing the dead were rising & infecting people fatally, they still didn’t know enough to combat it correctly, by destroying the walkers’ brains. We’ve seen that the fever kills within a day. Death would come faster from fatal biting at the neck or main arteries. It’s reasonably feasible that the bites could have this quick a turnaround to cause the crisis... At least for fiction

The only mystery of FTWD is why the slick black guy with the watch & cuff links was down in the holding area at all. He looked perfectly healthy, but clearly must have something that got him selected for reassignment to the terminal ward. He didn’t even seem that surprised about having been tossed in there, & he ever arranged to get set free. So whatever it was, others knew he wasn’t a serious safety threat