The Walking Dead Season 6 Discussion

[JD]

I guess the baby food in the pocket of Rick's attacker was their way of hinting again that the Wolves have Judith (the first being the missing baby monitor in the last episode).

I don't think that was trying to show that they had Judith, I'm pretty sure they were using that as a way to let Rick know they were had been to Alexandria. I missed what happened to Rick's arm?
Holy shit, they killed Glenn and it wasn't like the comics. I haven't read the comics, but I am aware of Glenn's fate there, and I've assumed if they were going to kill him it would be at least closer to what happened to him in the comics. It's a shame that he was trying so hard to work with Nicholas that he ended up (possibly) getting him killed.
I don't watch Talking Dead, but from what you guys have said it does sound like we might be seeing more of Steven Yuen. While it would be a bit of a cop out, I can't help but hope maybe he did survive somehow.
Are the Wolves from the comics? I've been wonder if they're Negan's guys, I know his guys are called the Hunters in the comics, but I was wondering if they might have changed their name.
This was a pretty great episode, I thought. It was a pretty good mixture of quite character moments, with big zombie action scenes.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I'm still not seeing Enid as a wolf. I think they've made some allusions to her being one, but that it's misdirection. If she was a wolf, why would they even need Aaron's backpack of information? Why did she just sit around during the attack? Why did she live there for a very long time without any attack? I really just think she is a loner trying to survive, and not some sort of secret agent.

Then why did she tell Carl:

This place is too big to protect. There are too many blind spots. That's how we were able to--

What did that mean? Was she referring to the Wolves? Negan? Something she (and Carl) tested about sneaking in and out of ASZ?

 

[Admiral2]

It's a shame that he was trying so hard to work with Nicholas that he ended up (possibly) getting him killed.

It takes all the fun of being glad Nicholas is finally dead. Hopefully when the preacher finally goes he won't take any more good people with him.

 

[davejames]

Sigh, I have a strong feeling Glenn will survive this by somehow crawling under that dumpster. Even though by all rights he should have been killed as well, the director seemed to go out of his way to keep it ambiguous as to whose guts we were actually watching being ripped out. Not to mention that Glenn seemed to be reacting more from anguish than pain, it seemed to me.

And while I have no problem with a completely random death for a major character, it doesn't really fit with the style of a show like TWD, which generally likes to make those moments a bit larger than life.

 

[auntiehill]

^I'm kinda hoping that's the case. Maybe he rolled under the dumpster and managed to get under the fence? Maybe?

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Even though by all rights he should have been killed as well, the director seemed to go out of his way to keep it ambiguous as to whose guts we were actually watching being ripped out.

True.

Not to mention that Glenn seemed to be reacting more from anguish than pain, it seemed to me.

Good observation. When Jimmy, Patricia (Greene farm) and Noah were eaten alive, they were all screaming their heads off. Glenn was--as you point out--in anguish, almost as though he was having to accept a regularly scheduled, gruesome death. There's no way he could maintain that mindset while being torn apart.

Glenn actually had a chance, but I will not be surprised if he was just killed, after all.

 

[Trekker4747]

He nicked his hand pretty good on a machete/blade stuck in a walker he was attacking. The "concern" is that this is sufficient enough to get Rick sick, necessitating the amputation of his hand to prevent him from succumbing to whatever it is that kills bitten people.

The problem with this is that it ignores some basic concepts presented in the show and facts of television production. First of all, using special effects to keep Rick's hand amputated is expensive. Short of cheaping-out like they did with Merle and providing him with a clumsy and shoddy looking gauntlet prosthetic they'd increase the budget of nearly every episode by having to use special effects to remove Rick's hand or strangle their creative freedom by having to use creative camera angles to keep his amputated hand out of frame. It's more trouble than it's worth.

Kirkman, creator of The Walking Dead comic and TV adaptation, has expressed regret over amputating comic Rick's hand.

But those are the practical real-world reasons it's unlikely he'll need to amputate his hand. More on point it'd be somewhat inconsistent with how we've seen walkers portrayed on the show. It seems that really nothing short of a bite can transfer the infection (or the aggressive bacteria a living body cannot fight-off causing the person to succumb to serious infections and the "zombie virus" everyone is infected with causes the reanimation) over the course of the series we've time and time again seen characters covered in the guts of the walkers and it seems unlikely that in those instances that the walker cuts/blood didn't get in their mouths, their eyes, their ears or on open wounds/sores on their body. So it seems strange that practically bathing in walker gore is fine, but getting cut by a knife that was in a walker is more than the body can handle.

Another note on Glenn's "death" one thing I noticed was that the camera angle on him yelling was awfully tight. It was a complete, close-up headshot. Usually when a character dies or someone gets bitten/eaten by a walker we pretty much get to see it to sort-of twist the screws in, Think of when Noah died, or when T-Dog was bitten or any time a minor character got attacked by a walker, hell in this very episode we saw three people torn up by walkers. But Glenn, a loved character who's been with the show since the first episode gets eaten with a tight close-up of his face with a bit of gore seen around the extreme upper sections of his torso?

Seems too...."conveniently framed."

Man, could you imagine if this episode was the mid-season cliffhanger?

 

[Ethros]

Pah. Such a lame fake-out. Next.

Not really into this season yet, and with a detour next week one of the most annoying characters on the show previous life, zzzzz. Because that exciting mid-season trip to "what's Beth up to" last season was just soooooo amazing wasn't it?

Also I'm so tired of seeing the same country road in every other scene since Season 3. And every town they comes across always looks exactly the same. Watching this episode I did almost feel like I'd already seen it.


I also like how Michonne and co just stood there and watched that guy get ripped to shreds and eaten alive for what seemed aaaages. Dying in maybe the worst way possible, you know, you could have put him out of his misery at any time. Put your sword, a knife or a bullet through his head, but nah let's just stand here and watch him suffer. Ridiculous.

 

[davejames]

But those are the practical real-world reasons it's unlikely he'll need to amputate his hand. More on point it'd be somewhat inconsistent with how we've seen walkers portrayed on the show. It seems that really nothing short of a bite can transfer the infection (or the aggressive bacteria a living body cannot fight-off causing the person to succumb to serious infections and the "zombie virus" everyone is infected with causes the reanimation) over the course of the series we've time and time again seen characters covered in the guts of the walkers and it seems unlikely that in those instances that the walker cuts/blood didn't get in their mouths, their eyes, their ears or on open wounds/sores on their body. So it seems strange that practically bathing in walker gore is fine, but getting cut by a knife that was in a walker is more than the body can handle.

Yeah it does seem like there has to be an actual zombie bite for anyone to actually die from it, suggesting I guess that it has more to do with the zombie's saliva than with their blood.

And I didn't get the sense from the episode that it was something Rick was actually concerned about, or otherwise we would have seen him make at least some attempt to amputate himself right away (as we saw them do with so quickly with Hershel's leg); he seemed more just annoyed at the fact the blade gave out on him, and he now had to deal with all the bleeding.

 

[sojourner]

I do like that Rick just fired straight through the wall of the RV to kill those guys. Too many tv shows tend to make everything bullet proof and "good cover" that in real life would hold up about as well as paper.

 

[JD]

Yeah, I was not expecting that.
As for Rick's arm, I have a feeling nobody would even be talking about amputation if it weren't for the comics.

 

[hux]

Another good ep. In fact, it's less like three eps and more a case of one very long episode that provides various viewpoints. The dude criticising Michonne for "leaving people behind" was absurd. The Alexandrians are King of leaving people behind. What Rick was talking about was leaving behind incompetent dicks who get everyone killed (hello Nicholas) as opposed to leaving people behind simply because you're useless coward.

Why Michonne didn't take the guys note was bizarre. By all means, tell him everything's gonna be alright... but still take the damn note, woman. And why didn't they put the injured in the shop cupboard? Rather than asking them to limp along, just stay there while the rest of the group leave and draw the walkers away. You're still not out of the woods but at least you'd be better off than traipsing slowly behind everyone else.

Rick almost gets killed by the Wolves that Morgan let go. Thanks for that, Morgan.

Glenn is dead and if he isn't then I'm sorry but that would be a cowardly move by the show.

Not in the memorial, not on TTD and no special secret guest star. I wonder if Nicholas's blood provided Glenn with the "walker camo?"

It has to be the stench of walker blood that puts walkers off attacking you. The fresh scent of Nicholas would only encourage walkers to come.

I feel like if Glenn really is alive somehow, that it's a terrible cheat.

It would be a bad move. The show would essentially be going from "anyone can die" to "certain people can never be allowed to die."

I thought it was a pretty anti-climactic way for him to go though.

 

[Trekker4747]

I do like that Rick just fired straight through the wall of the RV to kill those guys. Too many tv shows tend to make everything bullet proof and "good cover" that in real life would hold up about as well as paper.

Yeah, I liked that too, especially since the walls of an RV are basically plywood and sheet metal; hardly the most bullet-proof materials out there. Killing the people through the wall of the RV was an awesome strategy to take.

The hand thing was probably more to just slow him down and incapacitate him for a short time, it did cause him to have to struggle a bit more to do things and likely will continue to do so until he's able to bandage it our something.

And I didn't get the sense from the episode that it was something Rick was actually concerned about, or otherwise we would have seen him make at least some attempt to amputate himself right away (as we saw them do with so quickly with Hershel's leg); he seemed more just annoyed at the fact the blade gave out on him, and he now had to deal with all the bleeding.

That's a good point too, re: the amputation thing, if it were an issue he'd have to lop his hand off immediately not when he got around to it or considered it something to be concerned about.

Rick almost gets killed by the Wolves that Morgan let go. Thanks for that, Morgan.

Yeah, I like Morgan but his Zombie Apocalypse Zen isn't going to do anyone any favors. As much as last week I gave Carol grief for putting down the Wolf; that man was bound and no longer an immediate threat and a potential source of information. Then you kill him.

But Morgan beats the people up and sends them away (or in the case of the start of the last episode last season, sticks them somewhere and then takes off) just so he can fight them another day? So their reckless actions and attitudes can now go off to harm others? (Which is what happens here.)

What Morgan did in sparing the Wolves was stupid; he should have killed them. These people came into the town and were attacking and killing, why spare them? I hassled Carol for killing the bound Wolf, but at the same time -and on contrast- had Morgan just killed the guy then there'd have been no issues.

Really, this *isn't* a time or world where you take prisoners, if people attack you get rid of them. But in the case of the Wolf Carol killed it was a man Morgan chased off it was one who Morgan captured; creating the dilemma. Had Morgan simply killed the guy like he should be doing? No problems.

Glenn is dead and if he isn't then I'm sorry but that would be a cowardly move by the show.

True, but at the same time things have been made fairly ambiguous between what happened (or didn't happen) on Talking dead and some of the framing of the scene as well as Glenn's reaction. Plus there's the statements made by the show-runners. If Glenn was truly dead and was only "coming back" as part of flash-backs, or a hallucination or even as a Walker then he'd still be "dead" and would have been treated as such on TTD and been in the "In Memoriam" segment as well as on the couch to say goodbye to fans.

As it stands now, there's just a lot of questions on what really happened here.

t has to be the stench of walker blood that puts walkers off attacking you. The fresh scent of Nicholas would only encourage walkers to come.

True... maybe. Maybe the stench of Glenn's dried/drying blood-soaked clothes of a dead person is enough? There's a tiny bit of wiggle room on how the notion of this works. We'll see, I guess, but there's some questions.

 

[hux]

The only way I see Glenn surviving is if it's just too cramped for the walkers to get to him after the initial bunch crouched down to get to Nicholas (but that would be pretty far-fetched stuff) or a truck ploughs into the alley and slaughters a load of them and distracts the rest.

Everything points to him being dead but my only reason for not totally believing it, is the fact that is was a little underwhelming. I would have thought they'd give a character who's been with us from the beginning (and who is a favourite) a slightly more powerful ending.

 

[Trekker4747]

The only way I see Glenn surviving is if it's just too cramped for the walkers to get to him after the initial bunch crouched down to get to Nicholas (but that would be pretty far-fetched stuff) or a truck ploughs into the alley and slaughters a load of them and distracts the rest.

Everything points to him being dead but my only reason for not totally believing it, is the fact that is was a little underwhelming. I would have thought they'd give a character who's been with us from the beginning (and who is a favourite) a slightly more powerful ending.

And that's the notion everyone is going on. He'd be given a more meaningful death, or a more violent one not just a close-up of his face yelling; we'd get to see the gore of him being ripped apart. But what didn't happen on The Talking Dead and creative editing leaves a touch of room of "Eh...."

Now, I don't think anyone is saying -at least I'm not saying- he's going to climb out from under the dumpster, brush himself off, perfectly fine and then go off to nail his gorgeous wife; just that he'ls not likely dead. There's some room for play here.

But whatever his situation, there's going to be consequences. He's not going to be 100%, if he's alive then his seriously if not mortally wounded. Maybe a bite or he has the lost limb (like a leg, something more easily dealt with on TV as opposed to a hand) or something. So if he's alive he's still not likely long for the world or something serious is going to change.

 

[sojourner]

The situation stretches credibility of him surviving. The presentation of the camera angles tend to point to him being alive under Nicholas.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

He nicked his hand pretty good on a machete/blade stuck in a walker he was attacking. The "concern" is that this is sufficient enough to get Rick sick, necessitating the amputation of his hand to prevent him from succumbing to whatever it is that kills bitten people.

There's no danger--if the series pays attention to its own internal history:

• Rick received a deep stab wound by Morgan ("Clear"), and did not make Rick ill--and who knows how filthy the blade was.
• Further, Rick was also shot by one of Governor 2.0 flunkies ("Too Far Gone"), and again, he did not fall ill because of that.
• Hell, Daryl was skewered by his own crossbolt bolt ("Chupacabra"), and survived long before he found his way back to the farm.

Considering all of that, Rick's hand, and health in general should be fine.

dude criticizing Michonne for "leaving people behind" was absurd. The Alexandrians are King of leaving people behind. What Rick was talking about was leaving behind incompetent dicks who get everyone killed (hello Nicholas) as opposed to leaving people behind simply because you're useless coward.

True. He seems like another Nicholas waiting to happen.

Why Michonne didn't take the guys note was bizarre. By all means, tell him everything's gonna be alright... but still take the damn note, woman. And why didn't they put the injured in the shop cupboard? Rather than asking them to limp along, just stay there while the rest of the group leave and draw the walkers away. You're still not out of the woods but at least you'd be better off than traipsing slowly behind everyone else.

Because the episode needed to hammer home the "death is happening at every moment" tone of the episode. Its a no-brainer that the injured should have locked themselves in a building, and there's no sense letting that limping woman fall behind as walkers were in pursuit.

Rick almost gets killed by the Wolves that Morgan let go. Thanks for that, Morgan.

All the weight one needs to settle the "Morgan is wrong" issue. Morgan's pacifist view was incorrect during the entire Wolf attack--from trying to capture a wild man to letting Wolves escape.

...if Rick only knew the cause of his brush with death...

 

[Trekker4747]

There's no danger--if the series pays attention to its own internal history:

Rick received a deep stab wound by Morgan ("Clear"), and did not make Rick ill--and who knows how filthy the blade was.
Further, Rick was also shot by one of Governor 2.0 flunkies ("Too Far Gone"), and again, he did not fall ill because of that.
Hell, Daryl was skewered by his own crossbolt bolt ("Chupacabra"), and survived long before he found his way back to the farm.
Considering all of that, Rick's hand, and health in general should be fine.

It's not so much he cut hmself, it's that he cut himself on the blade sticking out of a walker, the idea being it'd be covered with the walker blood and this blood would carry the same pathogens that kill bitten people from a nasty, resistant, bacterial strain.

 

[kitik]

...if Rick only knew the cause of his brush with death...

Should we assume that Rick and Morgan will never put 2 and 2 together?


As for Glenn, well, as dead as he should be, as as dead as we think he likely is, and as inescapable as that situation clearly is, if he could somehow live through that, he would reach legendary levels of badassery that Daryl and Rick and Carol could only dream of.


Also, that small town was shockingly full of dead ends and fences and other traps. Don't they have through streets there?

 

[Trekker4747]

The ZA went down on a parade day, alleys and such were closed off for crowd control and to help direct the parade.