Very much this. Clara's protracted angst over the change in personality was hard to understand given her unique experience of multiple Doctors. Couple that with Danny and the will she stay or go with the Doctor thing was a chore to get through.
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Very much this. Clara's protracted angst over the change in personality was hard to understand given her unique experience of multiple Doctors. Couple that with Danny and the will she stay or go with the Doctor thing was a chore to get through.
It's interesting to note that 384 days passed between Peter Capaldi being announced as the Twelfth Doctor and Deep Breath being aired. Another 394 days have now passed since that point and here we are speculating that he might be axed (but I think these rumours started at least a month ago, so that second number might actually by somewhat less), which means - if the rumours are true - he might have the distinction of spending longer as a Doctor-designate than as the Doctor-incumbent.
Of course, I hope he stays for at least Series 10 if not Series 11 - so far it feels like we still haven't seen his character anywhere near its full potential.
Of course, I hope he stays for at least Series 10 if not Series 11 - so far it feels like we still haven't seen his character anywhere near its full potential.
I think a big turn off for me last year was that goofy, "I hate soldiers tripe" that seemed to be throughout most of the season. WTH? The Doctor, who is good friends with the Brigadier? Sgt. Benton and Harry? There were plenty of soldier types that the Doctor had no problem with right up to Centurion Rory and Bishop Octavian in recent years. Was that an artifact of the regeneration or was it a stupid plot device to create conflict with Dan Pink. And furthermore I didn't really like Mr. Pink that much. After the 'By the way, Which one's Pink' joke wore off (immediately) I really could have done without him.
I'm sorry, I really like the show but it seemed like last year was my least favorite season of it. I'm hoping this year is better, the first episode wasn't bad and I liked it more than last years first episode, so there's that, but I could see why more people haven't been back, too.
I'm sorry, I really like the show but it seemed like last year was my least favorite season of it. I'm hoping this year is better, the first episode wasn't bad and I liked it more than last years first episode, so there's that, but I could see why more people haven't been back, too.
The BBC (in part) earns money by selling adspace at various prices depending on what the predicted demographics/quantites of the viewership will be for particular episodes, aired at particular times of the day or night.
It matters completely when the show is aired so that it will be watched by the right people who will be programmed by advertising into buying the sponsors relevant products.
It's a waste of time and money to show irrelevant products to the wrong people if the BBC can't force the viewers to watch their media when they think their audience will be the most receptive and available to manipulation.
I swear.
It's like no one watches Madmen.
This is the second time in this thread where you try to insist that the BBC earns money by selling commercial time on a show. It does not and is in fact illegal for it to. There are no commercials (except for upcoming programs) on the BBC by law.
Both Doctors 3 and 4 frequently admonished the UNIT guys for shooting first and asking questions later. So there's a precedent there.
Then add in that the Doctor participated in the Time War™, willingly or not. That had to give him a bad taste for war that he never had beforehand.
Meanwhile on the other side of the Atlantic...
http://deadline.com/2015/09/doctor-who-season-9-premiere-ratings-up-bbc-america-1201541705/
Maybe BBC America should make it and the BBC just show it?
http://deadline.com/2015/09/doctor-who-season-9-premiere-ratings-up-bbc-america-1201541705/
Maybe BBC America should make it and the BBC just show it?
Perhaps a similar fate awaits Star Trek?
No longer a weekly series, but making occasional appearances?
The last line of the article was interesting: "Doctor Who is a BBC Cymru Wales production for BBC One, co-produced with BBC America." I know that BBCA has been a co-producer (ie., kicking in money) on specific episodes before ("The Impossible Astronaut," "The Angels Take Manhattan"), but I haven't seen anything like this that says (or, at the very least, suggests) they're a co-producer on the series as a whole.
Yet, here's the same wording, in BBC Worldwide's press release about the new series.
This is an interesting development.
Netflix earns money by renewing subscriptions.
It doesn't matter when you watch their media.
The BBC (in part) earns money by selling adspace at various prices depending on what the predicted demographics/quantites of the viewership will be for particular episodes, aired at particular times of the day or night.
It matters completely when the show is aired so that it will be watched by the right people who will be programmed by advertising into buying the sponsors relevant products.
It's a waste of time and money to show irrelevant products to the wrong people if the BBC can't force the viewers to watch their media when they think their audience will be the most receptive and available to manipulation.
I swear.
It's like no one watches Madmen.
The BBC does not generate any money directly via adverts, there are no adverts on the BBC Aside from between programmes to advertise upcoming programmes.
BBC Worldwide might earn money via adverts but that is a subsidiary of the BBC.
We saw what happened the last time the Americans tried to make the show. Surely part of the appeal of the show is it's Britishness.
It took less time than I expected for that response to happen, but I knew it was coming. God you Brits are touchy whenever this comes up.
We don't give a crap if British actors play our presidents, national heroes, iconic fictional characters, or even if Russia remakes our crappy sitcoms...but the moment the US tries to mess with "Britishness," you guys grumble. It's hilarious.First of all, I would wager that BBC America taking over production would only happen *IF* ratings in the UK continued to erode over several years. More than just this season. Second, this is just the rating from the premiere episode, which BBC America heavily promoted. There's no guarantee that these numbers will be sustained over the course of the season. In all likelihood they'll probably ebb to a norm.
Third, if ratings in the UK continue to erode and the BBC actually floats this idea, it might light a fire under the butts of all the loyal viewers who don't want it taken away, so they'll actually watch in larger numbers again. Or there would be a huge Twitter campaign like RTD predicts, and the show would be saved.
Fourth, if the BBC actually considers this and it does come to pass (and that's a big "if"), do you seriously think that BBC America is going to mess it up? This isn't 1996. BBC America knows Doctor Who. They will do it right, and they have AMC backing them up, a network that knows a thing or two about great TV and will have the money and clout to do it right. It wouldn't be anything like the 1996 movie. For one thing, the TV landscape has changed. For another, BBC America wouldn't go at this all ham-fisted. You honestly believe they would "Americanize" it and take its essential character away? Please.
But you can relax. It probably won't happen. And if it does, it won't be for several years at least.
The TV movie had a British actor, writer, producer, director and was filmed in Canada. What more did it need? The new series isn't filmed in England for that matter with a Scottish actor and producer.
Last I checked, Wales like England and Scotland where part of Britain. And I could point out out of the 12 actors to play The Doctor 3 have been Scottish, the current show runner is Scottish, RTD was Welsh. I could go back furher and say Syndey Newman was Canadian, The writer of "An Unearthly Child" was Australian. So sure like many TV shows they have had a vareity of nationalites work on them. And the TVM wasn't terrible.
Scotland and Wales are "Britain." I don't think the nationality of those involved is the issue. I think the fear is that BBC America will force changes to make it appeal more to an American audience (a silly notion, considering how wildly popular it is on the channel, as it is, and they've already co-produced several British shows).
They'd shoulder the production cost and keep things behind the scenes mostly the same to ensure smooth continuity, methinks. And the show would still be owned by BBC.
They'd shoulder the production cost and keep things behind the scenes mostly the same to ensure smooth continuity, methinks. And the show would still be owned by BBC.
Nor was it a truely American production, which was the point. I doubt that BBCA would bring in an American actor, none of us the show to lose it's Britishness. And I really doubt it'll come to that in any event.
If you're talking about Rosanne, they had one more season actually and ended in '97 not '96.
Neither mattered, to be honest. The McGann film never would have led to a series; Fox commissioned it as a film, not as a pilot, and despite all of Philip Segal's protestations to the contrary that it was a "backdoor pilot," the people in charge at Fox had their own projects they were interested in (like Sliders). Doctor Who never would have had the time of day.
I think it was intended as a backdoor pilot, but truthfully since it was aired there was little cahnce of that happening on American television. However the BBC still had a chance to pick up the series. And the only real genre hit Fox at the time was The X-Files, Sliders only had one more season on Fox. Really Doctor Who might've been a show for Fox than SAAB, which was a very expensive series and only lastest one season.
As was Ron Grainer, the most credited person in all of Who.
