Do you miss the original crew?

[Warped9]

I'm not confusing anything. When someone reboots a property they are cutting themselves off from what was established before to assert a new version. They become two separate things.

Or more succinctly JJ and his writers can go fuck themselves.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I'm not confusing anything. When someone reboots a property they are cutting themselves off from what was established before to assert a new version. They become two separate things.

Or more succinctly JJ and his writers can go fuck themselves.

Irrelevant to my point.

The set up for this reboot is quite clear as is the point of separation. Its part of the story. That's how this whole "continuity" thing works.

Star Trek has always been a collaborative work in progress. Continuity is created and overwritten constantly. The ideas it's consistent and there is a plan is illusion. That there is a right or wrong is also an illusion. You take the good. You take the bad. The facts of Trek.

Looking to things like casting, set design, costuming or even characterization as some sort a ha moment about "continuity" is conflating the reality of making fiction with the fiction.

 

[BillJ]

I'm not confusing anything. When someone reboots a property they are cutting themselves off from what was established before to assert a new version. They become two separate things.

But it really isn't a reboot, but a continuation of the original timeline.

Or more succinctly JJ and his writers can go fuck themselves.

This makes no sense. Sometimes, you come across as a child throwing a damned temper tantrum because you don't like a movie.

 

[Marsden]

Some may chose to dislike the source, but that's a different thing. Kirk's parents' names are established in ST09, after being used in the novels for decades.

It's a reboot. So whether something applies or not really is up to interpretation. He can argue all he wants about going back to a certain point in time, but he made a lot of changes that don't gel with the original continuity before that point in time where Nero appears.

It's been discussed ad nauseam before. I don't need to rehash it again.

Do you honestly think they're going to change it to something else if they go back to the Prime Universe? I have a feeling it will officially be 'George' for as long as I remain on this planet.

If canon ever establishes Jim's father's name, it will probably be George. If that ever happens because it hasn't. Novels aren't canon. I've been beaten with that stick often enough.
(not by you guys, just from others)

The first name of Kirk's father is irrelevant really. It's never established in TOS or any of the other productions. Indeed we don't know much about Kirk's family beyond the existence of his brother and family as has been mentioned upthread.

But if you're rebooting a property then whatever you introduce into it doesn't necessarily apply to the original version as well...

I would add Batman and Robin not being in continuity with Batman Begins. Because that's how Reboots work. So nothing in ST 09 and STD is canon to anything else but those films, themselves.

Mirror, Mirror established a parallel universe with similar characters. (Although I personally prefer Melekon's theory regarding the Halkans creating the whole thing)
TNG and DS9 ran with that and the TNG episode Parallels established infinite parallel universes. Therefore the canon started in ST 09 is an alternate parallel universe and doesn't touch a thing with the original Star Trek. I don't care if Kirk's parents were named Archie and Edith, he never mentioned them. PineKirk is not Kirk, but an alternate universe version of him and all details do not match across universes.

Just because Mr. Nimoy played that old Spock doesn't mean he was our Spock anymore than when he played Mirror Spock.

This is my position. I make no claims of it being superior or for everyone. But when I was told, in a patronizing way, "oh, your dvds are safe, JJ isn't coming over to take them away" Then that works both ways for me. My dvds, which never establish Jim's father's name are safe, and definitive.

If some future filmmaker want's to have some angsty angle to make the characters more interesting and contemporary and makes Jim an alcoholic and McCoy a wife beater, that doesn't change my dvds, either.

 

[Warped9]

But it really isn't a reboot, but a continuation of the original timeline.

It's a reboot. They try to play it both ways, but by making such drastic changes for the sake of hitting the restart button it is what it is.

 

[Kemaiku]

This makes no sense. Sometimes, you come across as a child throwing a damned temper tantrum because you don't like a movie.

Him and several others in this thread. And over such trivial minutae as well, but I suppose they haven't had much else to do with their time these 6.5 years other than hold this grudge.

 

[Warped9]

This makes no sense. Sometimes, you come across as a child throwing a damned temper tantrum because you don't like a movie.

Him and several others in this thread. And over such trivial minutae as well, but I suppose they haven't had much else to do with their time these 6.5 years other than hold this grudge.

Someone doesn't drink the Kool-Aid others drink so he's the one with the problem. Someone disagrees with a popular opinion so he's an ignorant and worthless hater. Same shit over and over.

FU.

I don't go into the JJ forun, but if someone drags it into the forum I do frequent then it's fair game for my opinion.

 

[BillJ]

Someone doesn't drink the Kool-Aid others drink so he's the one with the problem. Someone disagrees with a popular opinion so he's an ignorant and worthless hater. Same shit over and over.

FU.

I don't go into the JJ forun, but if someone drags it into the forum I do frequent then it's fair game for my opinion.

It isn't about "drinking the Kool-Aid", it is about being rude for no particular reason...

Or more succinctly JJ and his writers can go fuck themselves.

That isn't an opinion. It's spite for the sake of spite. I thought Trek fans were suppose to be better than that?

 

[Warped9]

Or more succinctly JJ and his writers can go fuck themselves.

That isn't an opinion. It's spite for the sake of spite. I thought Trek fans were suppose to be better than that?

I'd say it's a pretty clear expression of opinion regarding the JJtrek films.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

Not really. The new actors are doing a good job with the characters.

Yep. The characters of Kirk, Spock and the rest live on in the new movies. And they're doing a good job.

 

[T'Girl]

It isn't about "drinking the Kool-Aid", it is about being rude for no particular reason...

Yet you bring in a certain interpretation of the last two movies, and insist that one and all must accept it.

I and others are perfectly free to see the "Abrams universe" as a entirely separate one from the prime, a separate universe that existed long prior to Nero's entry into it. You and others, of course, can take a different road. I won't agree with you across the board, and will advocate my views.

 

[Warped9]

And I'm perfectly free not to.

 

[BillJ]

Yet you bring in a certain interpretation of the last two movies, and insist that one and all must accept it.

Because I believe that we should respect the fact that the characters were given names? Names that were created long before the Abrams movies ever existed (they were George and Winona to me long before Abrams ever came around). Really? Do you know how petty that sounds?

You guys gonna sit there and hold your breath until the names are changed?

 

[StarCruiser]

Gott im himmel...

Everyone stand down! I don't like JJ Trek any more than Warped 9 but, come on - stop shooting at each other over it!

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Pine - just can't buy his Kirk. Again, not his fault, but the writing. His Kirk, frankly, is a bit of an arrogant punk.

That's the way he usually was on the show.

No, that's not how Kirk was on the show. The image you posted is a latter day running joke--in part, inspired by the unjustified whining of one-time cast members about the actor, and as a result, that transfers to his larger than life character. There's no similarity between the punk portrayal in NuTrek and TOS.

 

[T'Bonz]

*Gentlemen* (two of you)

Don't make me go Romulan on your asses.

I'm being kind and not warning but I won't be so lenient next time. Disagree if you wish, but don't get personal.

And don't lose perspective. This was just a show (and later movies) meant to sell us stuff. It's not worth getting angry over something that isn't real.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

It's a reboot. They try to play it both ways, but by making such drastic changes for the sake of hitting the restart button it is what it is.

I too have my own deep personal feelings about these so-called “drastic changes”.

As someone who was living behind the Iron Curtain, the original series never aired in my country. The first and only Trek I saw was TNG. I was only dimly aware of the existence of Captain Kirk through Internet memes until someone on the Internet raged about JJ “replacing thought with sex”, which made me go see the new film like no advertisement could.

It was so much better than the Star Trek I knew, and I was so hooked that on the next day I acquired all of the original series and watched it ad nauseam. All that time I was fully convinced I was watching the same thing. And now I am doing the same with Star Trek Continues. It's just giving me goosebumps, all of it, the same way. There are times when I forget whether I am watching Shatner, Pine or Mignogna – it is the same Captain Kirk for me.

It's pretty clear that I wasn't hooked by something solely present in JJ's Trek. It must have captured the spirit of TOS well enough for me to go crazy for both.

So, I cannot help but wonder... What drastic changes?


(Still haven't seen Spock's Brain though. Maybe that's where the changes are lurking?)

 

[MANT!]

It's a reboot. They try to play it both ways, but by making such drastic changes for the sake of hitting the restart button it is what it is.

I too have my own deep personal feelings about these so-called “drastic changes”.

As someone who was living behind the Iron Curtain, the original series never aired in my country. The first and only Trek I saw was TNG. I was only dimly aware of the existence of Captain Kirk through Internet memes until someone on the Internet raged about JJ “replacing thought with sex”, which made me go see the new film like no advertisement could.

It was so much better than the Star Trek I knew, and I was so hooked that on the next day I acquired all of the original series and watched it ad nauseam. All that time I was fully convinced I was watching the same thing. And now I am doing the same with Star Trek Continues. It's just giving me goosebumps, all of it, the same way. There are times when I forget whether I am watching Shatner, Pine or Mignogna – it is the same Captain Kirk for me.

It's pretty clear that I wasn't hooked by something solely present in JJ's Trek. It must have captured the spirit of TOS well enough for me to go crazy for both.

So, I cannot help but wonder... What drastic changes?


(Still haven't seen Spock's Brain though. Maybe that's where the changes are lurking?)

(Amen Brother)

If you haven't seen Spock's Brain, you truly don't "reach"!