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The cost to fly out 40-50 people to upstate NY to use James' sets for 4-5 weeks worked out to be well more than just building our own sets, especially once you factor in accommodations, per diem/food, and transportation. Since the vast majority of Axanar's cast and crew live in L.A., it just doesn't make sense to go that route. That also doesn't factor in having to modify James' sets, and then switch them back when we're done, either. The only person that's even close to James' studio geographically is JG, so at least that would be one that wouldn't need trans-continental airfare, car, hotel, food, per diem, etc.

So you did entertain the notion?

Yes, that was actually the original plan when we were still in the 'let's make a good fan film' mindset, instead of the current 'let's make an awesome indie film' mindset. As things moved from having a crew of wonderful volunteers, to a crew of hired professionals, costs increased all around, including logistics of which made the most sense -- rolling our own vs a road trip. We'd have been happy to just fly folks about until we did the math and nearly fell out of our chairs.

Yes, we have optioned a script from David, however we wouldn't need to tear down the Axanar sets. They're built in a modular fashion and on casters, so they literally come apart in pieces and can just be rolled in to a corner of the studio space like a game of seriously geeky Tetris, or even rolled in to the parking lot (which is pretty big) to get them out of the way entirely in a more extreme scenario.

Out of curiosity, which Gerrold script, if you can speak about it at this time? Is it his "Star Wolf" series?

Can't comment on that yet, sorry.

I thought the name of the project was listed on one of the funding pages?
 
Right here it is:

SOUND STAGE - $125,000

We have two potential locations we are negotiating for to serve as our sound stage in Valencia, CA, just north of LA. This will be the permanent home of Axanar Productions and allow us to do more than just Axanar, from other adventures in the Star Trek universe and beyond. David Gerrold (author of "The Trouble with Tribbles") is already lined up to shoot his sci-fi series "Running Dark" here. First year's rent is $ 125,000.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/194429923/star-trek-axanar/description
 
Right here it is:

SOUND STAGE - $125,000

We have two potential locations we are negotiating for to serve as our sound stage in Valencia, CA, just north of LA. This will be the permanent home of Axanar Productions and allow us to do more than just Axanar, from other adventures in the Star Trek universe and beyond. David Gerrold (author of "The Trouble with Tribbles") is already lined up to shoot his sci-fi series "Running Dark" here. First year's rent is $ 125,000.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/194429923/star-trek-axanar/description

Right on. I stand corrected!
 
:rommie: Funny because it's sometimes true.

"People are free to offer unsolicited opinions."

Nobody is forcing you guys to listen, or reply.

And nobody's forcing you to be thin-skinned about a simple joke. :p Lighten up.

:lol: I'm perfectly at ease, BigJake. We're all just discussing this as friends, right? Asking questions, pointing out things that might be unclear or just don't add up based on limited information ... does not equate to my (or anyone else asking) being "thin-skinned."
 
"People are free to offer unsolicited opinions."

Nobody is forcing you guys to listen, or reply.

And nobody's forcing you to be thin-skinned about a simple joke. :p Lighten up.

:lol: I'm perfectly at ease, BigJake. We're all just discussing this as friends, right? Asking questions, pointing out things that might be unclear or just don't add up based on limited information ... does not equate to my (or anyone else asking) being "thin-skinned."

I stand corrected. :D

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And nobody's forcing you to be thin-skinned about a simple joke. :p Lighten up.

:lol: I'm perfectly at ease, BigJake. We're all just discussing this as friends, right? Asking questions, pointing out things that might be unclear or just don't add up based on limited information ... does not equate to my (or anyone else asking) being "thin-skinned."

I stand corrected. :D

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if the plan is to rent the TOS bridge set out, how/why would CBS allow Axanar to do so? Wouldn't that basically be Axanar/Ares making money off CBS' property?

The loophole seems to be that anybody can offer goods and services to Trek fan-films for money as long as CBS doesn't view you as one of the actual "producers" of that fan-film.

It's probably more like: "We're not charging you to use the sets, but we WILL be forwarding the utility bill for electricity, etc. that you used during your time filming..."

(Just speculation, but like others have mentioned, I doubt they'd 'subsidize' other fan film groups using their sets and studio space by ALSO paying the utilities costs.)
 
@Terry – thanks again for taking the time to answer our queries, and with some grace and humour :). I have another inane interested observer curiosity: you’ve mentioned studio and location filming (for Academy) – are you planning more sets and practical filming? (as opposed to just greenscreen). The only set I’ve seen photographed or discussed is the Ares one – are there plans for it to be modified for other ships? Or plans for Klingon or Vulcan ship interiors? The curiosity is twofold as: 1) the larger budget seems to set up an expectation of greater visual ambition (for me anyway), and 2) Prelude implies we are going to see the ‘war film’ it discusses, so again my expectation is scenes set aboard ships (plural) and some variety of locations. I appreciate none of us will be privy to the screenplay, but I imagine a detailed synopsis will be made available at some point?
 
@Terry – thanks again for taking the time to answer our queries, and with some grace and humour :). I have another inane interested observer curiosity: you’ve mentioned studio and location filming (for Academy) – are you planning more sets and practical filming? (as opposed to just greenscreen). The only set I’ve seen photographed or discussed is the Ares one – are there plans for it to be modified for other ships? Or plans for Klingon or Vulcan ship interiors? The curiosity is twofold as: 1) the larger budget seems to set up an expectation of greater visual ambition (for me anyway), and 2) Prelude implies we are going to see the ‘war film’ it discusses, so again my expectation is scenes set aboard ships (plural) and some variety of locations. I appreciate none of us will be privy to the screenplay, but I imagine a detailed synopsis will be made available at some point?

My pleasure and thanks to everyone for being cool here. =)

Yes, assuming the budget isn't cut, which means scenes will have to change a bit to be less expensive, there are plans to haul the crew and some of the cast (and a bunch of extras to populate the scenes) out on location to film at the Tillman Gardens in L.A., which is the place that the canon shows used for the academy and Starfleet HQ, as well as a few other episodes. There may be some other on location scenes, too. Sadly we didn't have a rocket ship ticket to Vulcan, so that scene that was recently shot and released had to be done against green screen. =P

All of our sets will be real, built sets, too, unless there's a scene with something that might only be on screen for a few moments and just doesn't make sense to go to the expense of a full set. Don't get me wrong, we may have to cut a few corners and use virtual sets for a few things, depending on where the fundraising lands when the time for filming comes, but we're hoping to go practical wherever possible -- it just sells the scene better, IMHO. That said, Tobias is a magician and we could give him a twig, a pine cone, and a few strips of duct tape and it would come back as a Ferrari.

As for Klingon ship interiors, yes, the plan is for a real set and a very detailed one as we might be used to from ENT or DS9. That said, if budget demands we go virtual, which isn't preferred, then that's a sacrifice that will be made to make it happen, too. Like the canon sets, it's not that difficult technically to do a redress of a set to give the appearance of another ship, too, and with only minimal effort -- slide out one section and drop in another, or make the set so there's a wall that slides in from the side to break a room up a bit differently, then move a few consoles around, slap on some alternate monitor 'loopers' and away you go. That's how they do it on the canon shows.

Coming from outside of the industry, being a geek, it's fascinating to see how all of the magic happens, and it's doubly amazing how simple the pros make it look with proper planning before hammer meets nail.
 
If I was a donor, I'd have asked the same questions being raised here, too. If I was a donor.

Gladly, I'm not willing to pay or donate anything. The fundraiser history of many projects keeps being a landslide compared to former "fan films out of love". And it's ok, if people spend their dime on projects where they wouldn't pay the same amount when watching a theatrical release of a professional movie. I'm just happy, here's a Win/Win situation for me, as I'm able to watch AXANAR or RENEGADES regardless whether I've donated or not - and P2 and CONTINUES and whatnot.

I sincerely hope, AXANAR meets its goals and will be finished. All the best from me!
I sincerely hope, all that white noise doesn't wake any sleeping network tigers.

As I'm no fundraiser donor, I can't feel betrayed by anybody.
The only betrayal I could feel in the future would be, if there wasn't any Star Trek fan film I was allowed to watch for free - and talk about it.

Greetings
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And nobody's forcing you to be thin-skinned about a simple joke. :p Lighten up.

:lol: I'm perfectly at ease, BigJake. We're all just discussing this as friends, right? Asking questions, pointing out things that might be unclear or just don't add up based on limited information ... does not equate to my (or anyone else asking) being "thin-skinned."

I stand corrected. :D

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Another question: how exactly are taxes handled in a Kickstarter (or other crowd sourcing) situation? Does Axanar (and other projects) have to pay taxes immediately on those funds, or quarterly or annually or not at all? Do they have to pay FICA taxes since they are paying the actors and workers or is that on them?
 
Another question: how exactly are taxes handled in a Kickstarter (or other crowd sourcing) situation? Does Axanar (and other projects) have to pay taxes immediately on those funds, or quarterly or annually or not at all? Do they have to pay FICA taxes since they are paying the actors and workers or is that on them?

What taxes? A business that spends in the course of regular operations every cent that's brought in has 0 net to tax. I'm not an accountant or a tax attorney, so this is not legal advice, of course, nor do I have knowledge of the specific tax obligations that may exist for Axanar. As they say, that's not my department, but business taxation doesn't work like personal income taxes at a fundamental level. We have no profit to tax.

As for things like wages and withholding, that's all 1099.

Why do you think big corporations can actually get a check back form the tax man instead of paying? =P
 
Another question: how exactly are taxes handled in a Kickstarter (or other crowd sourcing) situation? Does Axanar (and other projects) have to pay taxes immediately on those funds, or quarterly or annually or not at all? Do they have to pay FICA taxes since they are paying the actors and workers or is that on them?

What taxes? A business that spends in the course of regular operations every cent that's brought in has 0 net to tax. I'm not an accountant or a tax attorney, so this is not legal advice, of course, nor do I have knowledge of the specific tax obligations that may exist for Axanar. As they say, that's not my department, but business taxation doesn't work like personal income taxes at a fundamental level.

As for things like wages and withholding, that's all 1099.

Why do you think big corporations can actually get a check back form the tax man instead of paying? =P

Perhaps it would be worthwhile to inquire with someone on the production who does know about such matters then? I find it very hard to believe that Uncle Sam isn't going to want his cut, even if it's coming from Kickstarter.

As for wages and withholding, wouldn't that actually be something that would be dealt with W-9 rather than 1099?
 
What taxes? A business that spends in the course of regular operations every cent that's brought in has 0 net to tax.

But you guys aren't exactly a regular business. You're not using investments to build your business but donations. I'm wondering if there is any variation in how things are handled because of that?
 
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