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Star Trek: Axanar

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Also, didn't Alec or Rob (or someone associated with the production) indicate that the TOS Bridge set they're building for Axanar would be a standing, permanent set available to any fan film that would want to rent it to use for their own fan films? How's that going to work out if other non-Star Trek productions want to rent the space?

And, since I'm a bit fuzzy on the details, I'll ask/posit a question: if the plan is to rent the TOS bridge set out, how/why would CBS allow Axanar to do so? Wouldn't that basically be Axanar/Ares making money off CBS' property?
 
It seems like filming it in pieces would cause the costs to go through the proverbial roof. Because, one of their funding drives mentions a David Gerrold series filming as well. So, then do they film part of Axanar, tear down the sets, film this other series, either whole or piecemeal then reconstruct the Axanar sets for the next filming and so on...

Yes, we have optioned a script from David, however we wouldn't need to tear down the Axanar sets. They're built in a modular fashion and on casters, so they literally come apart in pieces and can just be rolled in to a corner of the studio space like a game of seriously geeky Tetris, or even rolled in to the parking lot (which is pretty big) to get them out of the way entirely in a more extreme scenario.

The VFX Indie was done by our VFX supervisors actually, not any of the producers. So my issue in not multiple drives, that's totally fine.

Factually correct, but not perceptually correct, since I donated to that fundraiser and remember it well. The 'this is being done by the VFX people and not the production proper' is, at face value, a bit disingenuous in my opinion, because it was directly for the benefit of the film, it was created and managed by crew on the film, and Sky is shown in the organizer 'contact' section as having control in the fundraiser. See, perception, which may or may not be correct, because I didn't ask -- kind of like what some people are questioning with us, because if they had a question they haven't asked, or didn't at the time. In the end it is what it is and isn't worth a dispute though. =)

My point is, giving the notion to the fans in the first Kickstarter that you would make the full film for roughly 700k (your studios set costs as listed in that Kickstarter are only about 325k). I fully expected you would have a second funding drive to ask for a little bit more funds to get the film done (200k at most) which is totally cool, since some thing tend to be underestimated. But, to my surprise, you guys come out asking for 1.3M more to get the full film done. And, then tell fans if we don't get, what is roughly 1.9 mill total, we can't do the full film but can give you pieces (acts) of it.

Asked and answered.

What's to say the the third funding drive you guys ask for even more money or you can even do the 20 or 30 minutes of act 1?

Nothing says that won't happen and I say that as a reasonable person. Is it likely to happen? Very, very unlikely re: raising the bar even higher down the road. Our highly experienced and qualified Line Producer has worked out the budget, based on the script, so the budget now is the budget. That said, if we have to cut some corners then we'll cut corners to come in on target.

Also, since you are creating a 'for profit' studio business from these drives, those funds you make on that business revenue should totally bring down the funds your asking of the fans, rather than asking them for an additional 1.3 mil. Your using a the fans money to build a business model that will also net you plenty of profit. IMO, when this Indiegogo drive ends just use what you got to make the full film and keep the fans/donors happy.

Could bring it down? No. Could subsidize some of the cost? Absolutely possible. You could look at it as using fan's money to build a for-profit business, sure. But, the studio would have been needed in any case. The sets would have to have been built in any case. So, what we're hoping to do is not walk away when Axanar is in the can and continue on with having the studio be self-funding through other efforts which will benefit not only us for future Trek installments that are planned, but allow the for-profit side to subsidize the non-profit side, as well as having standing sets for other efforts -- already in planning or that are to come -- available on the west coast. As you may know, it's not cheap or easy to fly everyone to NY if James were to allow another production to use/lease his sets, or to OK for Starbase Studios or to GA for ST:C's sets, either. Now there's a fourth option and we hope that option remains available for years to come on its own merit and financial stability. For example, Captain Pike may be leasing our sets and that revenue would go in to Axanar -- I say may because their people and Alec have only had a few brief conversations about the possibility existing and nothing has been agreed upon or signed.
 
You could look at it as using fan's money to build a for-profit business, sure. But, the studio would have been needed in any case. The sets would have to have been built in any case. So, what we're hoping to do is not walk away when Axanar is in the can and continue on with having the studio be self-funding through other efforts which will benefit not only us for future Trek installments that are planned, but allow the for-profit side to subsidize the non-profit side, as well as having standing sets for other efforts -- already in planning or that are to come -- available on the west coast. As you may know, it's not cheap or easy to fly everyone to NY if James were to allow another production to use/lease his sets, or to OK for Starbase Studios or to GA for ST:C's sets, either. Now there's a fourth option and we hope that option remains available for years to come on its own merit and financial stability.

Is this your way of admitting you will be charging rent to other groups in order to use your Star Trek sets? If so, how does CBS view this? Do they know that's the plan?
 
Admins, I apologize for two posts in a row -- starting to get the feel for this multi-quote thing, so there are efficiencies to come there. =P

It seems like filming it in pieces would cause the costs to go through the proverbial roof. Because, one of their funding drives mentions a David Gerrold series filming as well. So, then do they film part of Axanar, tear down the sets, film this other series, either whole or piecemeal then reconstruct the Axanar sets for the next filming and so on...

Not really, no. If we have the sets already standing, all that's needed is the cast and crew to come in and knock it out. The only things that are more expensive are the location bits, such as, hypothetically, the Starfleet Academy/Command sets at the Tillman Gardens/poop plant in L.A., which is the same locale from canon.

Also, didn't Alec or Rob (or someone associated with the production) indicate that the TOS Bridge set they're building for Axanar would be a standing, permanent set available to any fan film that would want to rent it to use for their own fan films? How's that going to work out if other non-Star Trek productions want to rent the space?

And, since I'm a bit fuzzy on the details, I'll ask/posit a question: if the plan is to rent the TOS bridge set out, how/why would CBS allow Axanar to do so? Wouldn't that basically be Axanar/Ares making money off CBS' property?

Yes, it'll remain standing, but as I mentioned in my last comment they're modular and you literally, with one hand, can break apart the bridge set wedges by pulling them apart and rolling them away. The hallway and other bits will also just come apart and you can stack it all in a corner to open up that 13,000sf of space, minus 1,500sf or so for storage of the sets.

To my knowledge, James rents out his sets, and Farragut did the same for ST:C before they just bought them outright, and Starbase Studios does the same, too. Call it a lease. Call it rent. Call it a donation to the production. Money is changing hands and CBS seems to be cool with that. If CBS had a problem with any of that then I'm sure that we'd all know about it by now after these past few years, especially in the wake of public crowd sourced financing.

You could look at it as using fan's money to build a for-profit business, sure. But, the studio would have been needed in any case. The sets would have to have been built in any case. So, what we're hoping to do is not walk away when Axanar is in the can and continue on with having the studio be self-funding through other efforts which will benefit not only us for future Trek installments that are planned, but allow the for-profit side to subsidize the non-profit side, as well as having standing sets for other efforts -- already in planning or that are to come -- available on the west coast. As you may know, it's not cheap or easy to fly everyone to NY if James were to allow another production to use/lease his sets, or to OK for Starbase Studios or to GA for ST:C's sets, either. Now there's a fourth option and we hope that option remains available for years to come on its own merit and financial stability.

Is this your way of admitting you will be charging rent to other groups in order to use your Star Trek sets? If so, how does CBS view this? Do they know that's the plan?

Admitting? It's not been a secret and we've always been up front with that. Join the Axanar Fan Group on Facebook, because the entire production team hangs out there and these kinds of questions have been asked and answered often over the last year.
 
Starbase Studio's website says:
There is NO CHARGE for use of the facilities, we are completely funded by donations.
I can't speak to if there are "catches", but that's their public face.
 
I have a question for Terry:

Why did you go to the extra expense to call it "Axanar"? Didn't you think of all the money you could have saved in ink, signs, CG logos, and other related materials if you had just called it "A"?

In fact, if you had just gone with "Untitled" you would not have to pay the insane fees for crew T-shirts or VFX title logo creator salaries.

As a person who has not contributed a penny to your production, I am disappointed that you have not sought out my thoughts on this matter.
 
Starbase Studio's website says:
There is NO CHARGE for use of the facilities, we are completely funded by donations.

If Axanar were to approach them, hypothetically, and ask to use their sets without any money changing hands, however you choose to phrase the act of money exiting one wallet and entering another, I doubt we'd get a yes from them. I could be wrong there, but building rent, electricity, etc., doesn't pay for itself, and it would be unreasonable to assume that they will expense the actual costs of another production just to be cool guys. =P

I have a question for Terry:

Why did you go to the extra expense to call it "Axanar"? Didn't you think of all the money you could have saved in ink, signs, CG logos, and other related materials if you had just called it "A"?

In fact, if you had just gone with "Untitled" you would not have to pay the insane fees for crew T-shirts or VFX title logo creator salaries.

As a person who has not contributed a penny to your production, I am disappointed that you have not sought out my thoughts on this matter.

My first choice was "Super Space Wagon Train of Awesome," but was voted down. =P
 
I simply posted what their website says. And, respectfully, you're just speculating and assuming there'd be some hidden transaction requirement.
 
I simply posted what their website says. And, respectfully, you're just speculating and assuming there'd be some hidden transaction requirement.

I'll freely admit that the possibility exists, however remote, that they would allow a production to roll in, burn through a few kilowatts of electricity per hour, and roll out without dropping a few coins in the tip jar. Common sense suggests that's rather unlikely though, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong with that.
 
I simply posted what their website says. And, respectfully, you're just speculating and assuming there'd be some hidden transaction requirement.

I'll freely admit that the possibility exists, however remote, that they would allow a production to roll in, burn through a few kilowatts of electricity per hour, and roll out without dropping a few coins in the tip jar. Common sense suggests that's rather unlikely though, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong with that.

But would those "few coins in the tip jar" likely be substantially less than what you are spending now?
 
I'm on my lunch and therefore posting from my phone, but I want to do some more research before I reply. I'll be back.
 
I simply posted what their website says. And, respectfully, you're just speculating and assuming there'd be some hidden transaction requirement.

I'll freely admit that the possibility exists, however remote, that they would allow a production to roll in, burn through a few kilowatts of electricity per hour, and roll out without dropping a few coins in the tip jar. Common sense suggests that's rather unlikely though, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong with that.

But would those "few coins in the tip jar" likely be substantially less than what you are spending now?

In the case of Starbase Studios specifically, they don't have a complete set, which we would need. Also, our sets, while based on the TOS fundamental design, have some significant differences which will be apparent when we release the film. That said, we also have the bits made to swap out so that they're quickly made in to proper canon TOS sets, too -- modular in assembly/dis-assembly, modular in aesthetic, and modular in function.

The cost to fly out 40-50 people to upstate NY to use James' sets for 4-5 weeks worked out to be well more than just building our own sets, especially once you factor in accommodations, per diem/food, and transportation. Since the vast majority of Axanar's cast and crew live in L.A., it just doesn't make sense to go that route. That also doesn't factor in having to modify James' sets, and then switch them back when we're done, either. The only person that's even close to James' studio geographically is JG, so at least that would be one that wouldn't need trans-continental airfare, car, hotel, food, per diem, etc. =P
 
The cost to fly out 40-50 people to upstate NY to use James' sets for 4-5 weeks worked out to be well more than just building our own sets, especially once you factor in accommodations, per diem/food, and transportation. Since the vast majority of Axanar's cast and crew live in L.A., it just doesn't make sense to go that route. That also doesn't factor in having to modify James' sets, and then switch them back when we're done, either. The only person that's even close to James' studio geographically is JG, so at least that would be one that wouldn't need trans-continental airfare, car, hotel, food, per diem, etc.

So you did entertain the notion?
 
if the plan is to rent the TOS bridge set out, how/why would CBS allow Axanar to do so? Wouldn't that basically be Axanar/Ares making money off CBS' property?

The loophole seems to be that anybody can offer goods and services to Trek fan-films for money as long as CBS doesn't view you as one of the actual "producers" of that fan-film.
 
It seems like filming it in pieces would cause the costs to go through the proverbial roof. Because, one of their funding drives mentions a David Gerrold series filming as well. So, then do they film part of Axanar, tear down the sets, film this other series, either whole or piecemeal then reconstruct the Axanar sets for the next filming and so on...

Yes, we have optioned a script from David, however we wouldn't need to tear down the Axanar sets. They're built in a modular fashion and on casters, so they literally come apart in pieces and can just be rolled in to a corner of the studio space like a game of seriously geeky Tetris, or even rolled in to the parking lot (which is pretty big) to get them out of the way entirely in a more extreme scenario.

Out of curiosity, which Gerrold script, if you can speak about it at this time? Is it his "Star Wolf" series?
 
The cost to fly out 40-50 people to upstate NY to use James' sets for 4-5 weeks worked out to be well more than just building our own sets, especially once you factor in accommodations, per diem/food, and transportation. Since the vast majority of Axanar's cast and crew live in L.A., it just doesn't make sense to go that route. That also doesn't factor in having to modify James' sets, and then switch them back when we're done, either. The only person that's even close to James' studio geographically is JG, so at least that would be one that wouldn't need trans-continental airfare, car, hotel, food, per diem, etc.

So you did entertain the notion?

Yes, that was actually the original plan when we were still in the 'let's make a good fan film' mindset, instead of the current 'let's make an awesome indie film' mindset. As things moved from having a crew of wonderful volunteers, to a crew of hired professionals, costs increased all around, including logistics of which made the most sense -- rolling our own vs a road trip. We'd have been happy to just fly folks about until we did the math and nearly fell out of our chairs.

It seems like filming it in pieces would cause the costs to go through the proverbial roof. Because, one of their funding drives mentions a David Gerrold series filming as well. So, then do they film part of Axanar, tear down the sets, film this other series, either whole or piecemeal then reconstruct the Axanar sets for the next filming and so on...

Yes, we have optioned a script from David, however we wouldn't need to tear down the Axanar sets. They're built in a modular fashion and on casters, so they literally come apart in pieces and can just be rolled in to a corner of the studio space like a game of seriously geeky Tetris, or even rolled in to the parking lot (which is pretty big) to get them out of the way entirely in a more extreme scenario.

Out of curiosity, which Gerrold script, if you can speak about it at this time? Is it his "Star Wolf" series?

Can't comment on that yet, sorry.
 
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