Star Trek: Axanar

[BigJake]

Since there really wasn't anything provided here beyond BigJake's linking to Robert Meyer Burnett's comment,

Karzak, I have to say I'm finding you a bit faux naif here. The person who quoted the trolling comment accusing Peters of (for instance) having bought a car with Kickstarter money was you, following up on an original link from Maurice. But of course you don't remember what the brouhaha was about at all? Even a little bit?

In general: man oh man all the BTS feuding and backbiting just gives me a headache. All of it can go straight to the lake.

This does not bode well for anyone, I fear.

Fan productions sniping at each other... day ending in "y."

 

[lurok]

I was going to add aren't these supposed to be (ahem) 'grown men' rather than playground rivals ? Than I remembered the Quentin v Spike beefs, so I guess nothing changes.

 

[Warped9]

This stuff was on Vic's FB page?

But can any of this be actually attributed to Vic?

If he's not the one saying these things then how can he be sued?

 

[Crazy Eddie]

This stuff was on Vic's FB page?

But can any of this be actually attributed to Vic?

If he's not the one saying these things then how can he be sued?

This may come as a shock to you, but not every piece of information that is relevant to the world actually takes place on the internet. Most of what we can see online is really just echoes of what's happening in the real world because somebody with too much time on their hands posted it electronically.

I keep thinking the name Vic Mignogna sounds familiar from somewhere. I'm going back through my old emails because I have an inclination it has to do with something that happened at comic con or some convention or another a couple of years ago; there was a relatively big name that was apparently chatting up female attendees to a degree that eventually got him banned from subsequent events. Must have been three or four years ago so there's probably a good twenty thousand emails to comb through.

Probably not going to bother.

 

[Barbreader]

Fan productions sniping at each other... day ending in "y."

Mostly the 'big boys.' I don't hear much sniping among the people working with groups that include nobody with an entertainment background.

 

[Karzak]

Since there really wasn't anything provided here beyond BigJake's linking to Robert Meyer Burnett's comment,

Karzak, I have to say I'm finding you a bit faux naif here.

What seems to be the problem, officer?

The person who quoted the trolling comment accusing Peters of (for instance) having bought a car with Kickstarter money was you, following up on an original link from Maurice. But of course you don't remember what the brouhaha was about at all? Even a little bit?

Of course I remember that guy. I thought we all agreed he was just some random nobody who was enormously disgruntled for some inexplicable reason and who had no proof to back up his claims? Last I checked, he wasn't associated with Mignogna or STC, either.

My comment above was about this particular situation developing today: Peters announcing he wants to sue Mignogna and Gossett's independent comments about all of it on Mignogna's Facebook page, which I thought might be worth reading here as he was closely involved with the project and clearly had some things to say about what's been going on.

This stuff was on Vic's FB page?

But can any of this be actually attributed to Vic?

No. These were comments made by Christian Gossett and others in a conversation following a comment/post Gossett made on Mignogna's page. I never alleged that these were the comments Peters was suing over. I only presented them here as further information.

 

[BigJake]

I thought we all agreed he was just some random nobody who was enormously disgruntled for some inexplicable reason and who had no proof to back up his claims?

You were asking where I've seen people trolling Axanar. I thought you meant in general. My bad. (Though this particular situation does make one wonder a little more actively just who that guy was, now. Sort of. If wondering were not so boring.)

Mostly the 'big boys.' I don't hear much sniping among the people working with groups that include nobody with an entertainment background.

That's good news.

 

[Mark 2000]

It's very interesting to see what happens when money is involved in these so-called hobby projects. Not so hobby anymore...

 

[Amaris]

Since there really wasn't anything provided here beyond BigJake's linking to Robert Meyer Burnett's comment,

Karzak, I have to say I'm finding you a bit faux naif here. The person who quoted the trolling comment accusing Peters of (for instance) having bought a car with Kickstarter money was you, following up on an original link from Maurice. But of course you don't remember what the brouhaha was about at all? Even a little bit?

In general: man oh man all the BTS feuding and backbiting just gives me a headache. All of it can go straight to the lake.

This does not bode well for anyone, I fear.

Fan productions sniping at each other... day ending in "y."

True, but lawsuits and lawyers, along with public sniping across channels in fan productions make me fidgety, and if I get fidgety, as someone who has no money invested in either production, then I'm sure CBS' lawyers will get fidgety, because they do have money invested in the Star Trek brand, and anyone using the IP who may malign that brand, or bring negative press to it, may need squished. I don't want that to happen.

 

[BigJake]

The public sniping is nothing new. A lawsuit would be a different ballgame, though.

 

[Warped9]

This stuff was on Vic's FB page?

But can any of this be actually attributed to Vic?

If he's not the one saying these things then how can he be sued?

This may come as a shock to you, but not every piece of information that is relevant to the world actually takes place on the internet. Most of what we can see online is really just echoes of what's happening in the real world because somebody with too much time on their hands posted it electronically.

Of course I know that, but the FB page was cited above and that's what I was commenting on. But we still haven't heard where these things were being said. If it's been happening as alleged then someone should have heard something particularly if it was done in public.

...but lawsuits and lawyers, along with public sniping across channels in fan productions make me fidgety, and if I get fidgety, as someone who has no money invested in either production, then I'm sure CBS' lawyers will get fidgety, because they do have money invested in the Star Trek brand, and anyone using the IP who may malign that brand, or bring negative press to it, may need squished. I don't want that to happen.

Amen.

 

[BillJ]

This is tedious.

People that hate the Abrams films can't even get along among themselves!

NuTrek fans are black on the right side and white on the left.

However, oldTrek fans are white on the right side and black on the left.


SULU: Does it matter now which one's right?
SPOCK: Not to them. All that matters to them is their hate.
UHURA: Do you suppose that's all they ever had, sir?
KIRK: No, but that's all they have left.

 

[Trekkin]

Since there really wasn't anything provided here beyond BigJake's linking to Robert Meyer Burnett's comment,

Karzak, I have to say I'm finding you a bit faux naif here. The person who quoted the trolling comment accusing Peters of (for instance) having bought a car with Kickstarter money was you, following up on an original link from Maurice. But of course you don't remember what the brouhaha was about at all? Even a little bit?

In general: man oh man all the BTS feuding and backbiting just gives me a headache. All of it can go straight to the lake.

This does not bode well for anyone, I fear.

Fan productions sniping at each other... day ending in "y."

True, but lawsuits and lawyers, along with public sniping across channels in fan productions make me fidgety, and if I get fidgety, as someone who has no money invested in either production, then I'm sure CBS' lawyers will get fidgety, because they do have money invested in the Star Trek brand, and anyone using the IP who may malign that brand, or bring negative press to it, may need squished. I don't want that to happen.

I'm going to take a swing and say that the Axanar people are hedging their bets on this never actually reaching the courts. In Australia at least, most cases are settled before-hand, and if they're not then the court will do its damnedest to make you try ADR first. Besides the usual shebang of the parties not being able to afford to go to actual litigation, cases like this waste the courts time and cost the public money. No one wants them to get too far if they can help it.

Based on the limited information given, I can see a million holes in this supposed case already. A big one being that they'd have to prove Mignogna is planning to spread these 'lies' in the future (for eg. like writing a book or holding a meeting), otherwise cease and desist letters don't cover this sort of situation (can't 'cease and desist' something that's already happened).

A defamation case fits better and maybe they're talking about a letter of intent, but that would mean they're going after damages or compensation - an action that would be a bloody stupid waste of money and time. If you need to know why, consider why Paramount or Abrams have never bothered bringing an action against Para Möbius for provably making the exact same embezzlement accusations.

But just from a PR standpoint, posting this on Facebook seems like such a stupid thing to do. Theyre advertising to the people voluntarily paying their bills that they're going to be tied up in expensive, non-necessary legal problems.

But that's just a final year Australian law students perspective, and I admit that I dont have all the facts . I have no doubt there are smarter people than me who could make a good arguement for it. But at this moment, I think this post is just a frustrated attempt to scare Mignogna into shutting up. Hot air, basically.

 

[BigJake]

I still want convincing that there's anything actually going on here in legal terms beyond a screencap of a post that's since been taken down.

 

[Amaris]

Karzak, I have to say I'm finding you a bit faux naif here. The person who quoted the trolling comment accusing Peters of (for instance) having bought a car with Kickstarter money was you, following up on an original link from Maurice. But of course you don't remember what the brouhaha was about at all? Even a little bit?

In general: man oh man all the BTS feuding and backbiting just gives me a headache. All of it can go straight to the lake.



Fan productions sniping at each other... day ending in "y."

True, but lawsuits and lawyers, along with public sniping across channels in fan productions make me fidgety, and if I get fidgety, as someone who has no money invested in either production, then I'm sure CBS' lawyers will get fidgety, because they do have money invested in the Star Trek brand, and anyone using the IP who may malign that brand, or bring negative press to it, may need squished. I don't want that to happen.

I'm going to take a swing and say that the Axanar people are hedging their bets on this never actually reaching the courts. In Australia at least, most cases are settled before-hand, and if they're not then the court will do its damnedest to make you try ADR first. Besides the usual shebang of the parties not being able to afford to go to actual litigation, cases like this waste the courts time and cost the public money. No one wants them to get too far if they can help it.

Based on the limited information given, I can see a million holes in this supposed case already. A big one being that they'd have to prove Mignogna is planning to spread these 'lies' in the future (for eg. like writing a book or holding a meeting), otherwise cease and desist letters don't cover this sort of situation (can't 'cease and desist' something that's already happened).

A defamation case fits better and maybe they're talking about a letter of intent, but that would mean they're going after damages or compensation - an action that would be a bloody stupid waste of money and time. If you need to know why, consider why Paramount or Abrams have never bothered bringing an action against Para Möbius for provably making the exact same embezzlement accusations.

But just from a PR standpoint, posting this on Facebook seems like such a stupid thing to do. Theyre advertising to the people voluntarily paying their bills that they're going to be tied up in expensive, non-necessary legal problems.

But that's just a final year Australian law students perspective, and I admit that I dont have all the facts . I have no doubt there are smarter people than me who could make a good arguement for it. But at this moment, I think this post is just a frustrated attempt to scare Mignogna into shutting up. Hot air, basically.

I certainly hope it ends up as nothing more than hot air being exchanged. I just don't want CBS coming in and blasting them both out of the water. I've seen that very thing happen to some fan productions in other franchises I enjoy, all because they couldn't keep their mouths shut and it caught the attention of the IP holder.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Yes, I'd really prefer to watch Axanar or Continues rather than read an article about how petty egos brought about the end of Trek fan films. The original FB post has been removed, hopefully this'll be the end of it.

 

[JoeZhang]

going back to the actual production itself:

The creators of "Star Trek: Axanar" have their sights set on fully funding the first two "episodes" of the film through crowdfunding alone, which would require a new goal of $660,000. For that, they plan to ask an old "Star Trek" ally to help.

http://www.space.com/30058-star-trek-axanar-targets-george-takei.html

Maybe I've missed this because I haven't followed the financial side that closely - I thought the money was to make a film - instead its going to be episodes that they stitch together later?

 

[ElimGarak.93-99]

going back to the actual production itself:

The creators of "Star Trek: Axanar" have their sights set on fully funding the first two "episodes" of the film through crowdfunding alone, which would require a new goal of $660,000. For that, they plan to ask an old "Star Trek" ally to help.

http://www.space.com/30058-star-trek-axanar-targets-george-takei.html

Maybe I've missed this because I haven't followed the financial side that closely - I thought the money was to make a film - instead its going to be episodes that they stitch together later?

It's a bit confusing, but at the end of the article it says that the 'film' will be released in spring/summer 2016.

 

[Barbreader]

going back to the actual production itself:

The creators of "Star Trek: Axanar" have their sights set on fully funding the first two "episodes" of the film through crowdfunding alone, which would require a new goal of $660,000. For that, they plan to ask an old "Star Trek" ally to help.

http://www.space.com/30058-star-trek-axanar-targets-george-takei.html

Maybe I've missed this because I haven't followed the financial side that closely - I thought the money was to make a film - instead its going to be episodes that they stitch together later?

Takai has helped them out before, and the article was out of date when published. Takai tweeted out about Axanar a couple of days ago.

They are only at $320K this morning, 20 days in with 14 to go, not even at the $330 them absolutely must get from this fundraiser.

They have broken down the script into four parts so that they can create episodes and use each to help raise funds for the next one.

 

[Ithekro]

A film in four acts, which they are calling "episodes" for funding purposes.