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Star Trek: Axanar

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When is the release date

And how do i get one of those great patches ?

The release date is unknown at this time, because until film is 'in the can' it would be irresponsible to set a date until a rough cut is done. Since we don't have a honey pot to go back to compared to huge budgeted Hollywood films, where they can just throw money at a problem, we're being methodical. The goal is SDCC 2016, but it could be sooner, and both are not unrealistic by any stretch. What helps to make that happen is that Tobias is already at work on the VFX that don't require compositing with live action, so we'll be ahead of the curve and might even have both teams landing on the rough cut finish line at the same time.

Patches are up for grabs in the current fundraiser, although previous donors of at least $10 to the production can find the password to the Donor Store on our website in the pinned post of our Axanar Donors Group on Facebook, and you could pick up a set ala carte (sans the current fundraiser exclusives, of course).

Enjoy!
 
You didn't say perfectly watchable, you said as good or better then the stuff in the Abrams' films.

And it is just as good. It's very high quality and pleasing to the eye. It isn't harsh and light-blasted. It isn't overrun with lens flares. And it doesn't make you want to lose your lunch with barrell-rolling camera moves that lose all sense of either weight or direction in the scene.

And thats just wrong on every single technical level, you absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

I know very well what I am talking about: a quality scene that is pleasing to the eye, effective, and doesn't wave it's "style" in your face like red-flagging a bull in the arena.

I don't give a crap if YOU think it's shoddy VFX, those films are constantly praised in the VFX industry for their excellent integration of live action and CG.

Done and done well well before Abrams. Nothing new there, no matter how much you and your insider friends want to pat yourself on your collective backs for being cleaver.

Those films accomplish photo real composites and element creation, this Axanar footage does not compare in anyway, nor should it honestly. Your comparing it to the Star Wars prequels is in no way a compliment, since those films are commonly used to show an over reliance on green-screen and CG integration.

They were visually spectacular, aesthetically pleasing (esp ROTS), and they conveyed the material Lucas wished to convey effectively. Win win win from the audience PoV.

What you forget is that film is not made for the artiste. It is made for the audience. And audiences flocked to the prequel films regardless of the sneering from the "how it was done" crowd.

For what it is, and for what their budget is, it's really really good work, excellent even. But it's not photo real, which, even when you have a massive budget is still extremely hard to accomplish, especially when you are doing an entire environment as a CG asset.

And it doesn't have to be. It just has to not detract from the final product, which it does not. Couple that with vastly superior acting and writing, and the product blows JJ's Hipster take on Trek from here to Orion and back.

That last percentage of compositing, getting it from looking good, to photo real is the hardest part of the job (trust me, I would know since I do it every single day). Thats the reason that ILM and WETA are paid the big bucks, and it's hard to do massive CG environments on a smaller budget, especially if you are integrating live action people.

And the boys at Axanar accomplished that just fine, at a fraction of the cost of ILM. Seems to me that a lot of the push-back against this project from the "industry boys" is really motivated by fear that their huge price tags might not be needed to produce quality product.

Which is good news for the fans, because cheaper productions are more attractive to content creators.

Another analogy for your argument comes to mind: I used to watch drum and bugle corps competitions on tv. One finals a school from CA came out and did a routine based on the Beach Boys. Music, beachwear uniforms, folding chairs instead of flags and staff, the whole nine yards. Audience ate it up. BIG huge applause at the end. Judges gave it the equivalent of a D+. Took five minutes for the audience to stop booing. Commentator yammered on and on about esoteric technical standards in drum and bugle, etc etc.

Next school comes out and does a straight from the book traditional drum and bugle program. Pitch perfect and dull as mayo on white. Got a semi-polite applause (people were still pissed about the first team being snubbed). Judges gave it a perfect score.

Which one was better? You would argue the technical perfection of the 2nd team. I argue the connection of the audience and the value they place on the entertainment provided.

Robin Williams put the point better in Dead Poet's Society:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpeLSMKNFO4
 
When is the release date

And how do i get one of those great patches ?

The release date is unknown at this time, because until film is 'in the can' it would be irresponsible to set a date until a rough cut is done. Since we don't have a honey pot to go back to compared to huge budgeted Hollywood films, where they can just throw money at a problem, we're being methodical. The goal is SDCC 2016, but it could be sooner, and both are not unrealistic by any stretch. What helps to make that happen is that Tobias is already at work on the VFX that don't require compositing with live action, so we'll be ahead of the curve and might even have both teams landing on the rough cut finish line at the same time.

Patches are up for grabs in the current fundraiser, although previous donors of at least $10 to the production can find the password to the Donor Store on our website in the pinned post of our Axanar Donors Group on Facebook, and you could pick up a set ala carte (sans the current fundraiser exclusives, of course).

Enjoy!

Thanks Terry

Will check that out.
 
Separating this out because the previous post got so long:

Are some people really still so hung up on films that are now 6 and 2 years old that they have to keep bitching about them in every post they make?

Guess they have a lot of free time to waste on the issue.

This.

Axanar has nothing to do with the Abrams films and the drive-by bashing is tiresome.

What is tiresome is the "insiders" sitting on high like gods on Mt Olympus and looking down their noses at "the lessers", because they aren't up there on the mount also. ("Well, it's ok...it's 'good'...for a [insert dismissive statement here]...")

It's doubly tiresome when those gods have feet of clay. You can cite chapter and verse about how this technical specification or that technical specification is better met by ILM or what-the-frak-ever until you're blue in the face, but my simple, devastating reply is this: absolute perfection of execution is wasted on an inferior aesthetic. Put that in service to a cynical, dumbed down overall vision that caricatures better creative efforts and the end result is a failed product.

Axanar has delivered more in ~24 minutes than the last two Big Hollywood films combined. That is both testament to the abilities of the Axanar team, and a sad commentary on the creative bankruptcy of the insider part of the industry.
 
So, as a producer on Prelude and the coming feature, does anyone have any questions that can receive a direct answer from one of the horse's mouths? --Terry

Is Michael Hogan still slated to join your cast?


Michael Hogan hasn't been attached to Axanar since a few days before the filming of Prelude, I'm afraid. Would have been amazing to have him and who knows what the future might hold!
 
It isn't harsh and light-blasted. It isn't overrun with lens flares. And it doesn't make you want to lose your lunch with barrell-rolling camera moves that lose all sense of either weight or direction in the scene.

I simply call bullshit on this. Who is actually having this problem?

Which one was better? You would argue the technical perfection of the 2nd team. I argue the connection of the audience and the value they place on the entertainment provided.

The point being: Axanar discussions don't need to veer into bashing the Abrams films. It seems people do it simply to bring attention to their posts or they really aren't that confident in the Axanar material and figure tearing down the Abrams films will take attention away from the flaws in the Axanar material.
 
It seems people do it simply to bring attention to their posts or they really aren't that confident in the Axanar material and figure tearing down the Abrams films will take attention away from the flaws in the Axanar material.

More like they're just a bit over-excited at the prospect of seeing well-produced Trek that isn't on the Big Action Blockbuster model of the films, but I agree that it isn't necessary to bring up the Abrams movies. It just produces endless fights that are a distraction from what we're all really here to talk about.
 
Jesus Christ, you are tiresome.
And so are you. I didn't do any bashing. I simply replied that your opinion that someone might prefer another Trek work to Abrams' needs perspective. And you called that bullshit.

I didn't say anything about the goddamned films. I simply countered that your presumption on someone else's opinion that disagreed with yours was offbase.

Axanar has nothing to do with the Abrams films and the drive-by bashing is tiresome.
No one bashed the Abrams' films. An opinion was simply stated for preference for Axanar to the Trek films Abrams had done. When that opinion was presumed to lack perspective then it was countered, to which that "perspective" was called "bullshit." Or is a simple dissenting viewpoint now accepted as bashing?
 
Jesus Christ, you are tiresome.
And so are you.

For crying out loud. "I know you are, but what am I?" is all you've got? I'm not going to play this game with you. If you want to shart all over the thread, go right ahead. I'll not engage you in this pedantic vituperation any further.
What is tiresome is the repeated slammings of people who disagree with not praising something you like and the repeated insinuation that all I (and others) do are drive-by bashings when it's a charge really pulled out of some's ass with no basis in reality.

The most appropriate response to this would be a simple two words. But since that would be frowned upon I will simply leave them unsaid.

There's a point when people can get tired of being insulted and accused of things they don't do. At that point they're not likely to accept the insults without a word. And if you don't like my posts then simply ignore them just as I ignore and pass by a helluva lot of things I see posted around here.
 
I sense something... perhaps, a locked thread?

Careful, or the mighty powers that be may smite thee...

(Not directed at anyone in particular but, lay off guys!)
 
It seems people do it simply to bring attention to their posts or they really aren't that confident in the Axanar material and figure tearing down the Abrams films will take attention away from the flaws in the Axanar material.

More like they're just a bit over-excited at the prospect of seeing well-produced Trek that isn't on the Big Action Blockbuster model of the films, but I agree that it isn't necessary to bring up the Abrams movies. It just produces endless fights that are a distraction from what we're all really here to talk about.

Prelude to Axanar was nicely done. But I'll wait to judge the actual Axanar film until I actually see it.

My feelings about the Axanar group work isn't effected one way or the other by what I think of the Abrams films.
 
From what I've seen of Axanar so far, even with some quibbles, it looks like something I would actually pay to go see at the theatre.
 
It seems people do it simply to bring attention to their posts or they really aren't that confident in the Axanar material and figure tearing down the Abrams films will take attention away from the flaws in the Axanar material.

More like they're just a bit over-excited at the prospect of seeing well-produced Trek that isn't on the Big Action Blockbuster model of the films, but I agree that it isn't necessary to bring up the Abrams movies. It just produces endless fights that are a distraction from what we're all really here to talk about.

Prelude to Axanar was nicely done. But I'll wait to judge the actual Axanar film until I actually see it.

My feelings about the Axanar group work isn't effected one way or the other by what I think of the Abrams films.

I agree. Most of the characters are interesting, but not all of them really engaged me in a way that excited me. However, it was enough to make me want to see the full story.

Also, Abrams Trek has no influence on my enjoyment of Axanar and vice versa. Two different types of Trek for me.
 
From what I've seen of Axanar so far, even with some quibbles, it looks like something I would actually pay to go see at the theatre.

And that's fair. But it and the Abrams films are two distinct entities made two distinct ways. Both have advantages the other doesn't enjoy (Abrams, money/Axanar, no studio hovering over their shoulder).

I think it is better for Star Trek in the long run that both succeed. YMMV.
 
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