Star Trek: Axanar

[fireproof78]

So, Axanar, right?

Personally, I like Axanar for similar reasons that I like Abrams Trek. It focuses on a time period in Trek's history that has not been explored all that much. I love the Cage, enjoy pre-TOS history of Trek, and the like, and I love seeing the different elements that have occurred in Trek coming together in this film.

 

[gazomg]

some axanar wallpapers I did

 

[Phantom]

The prelude to axanar was better than anything abrams has ever done.

Utter nonsense.

No, 100% truth.

I am so looking forward to this.
The prelude to axanar was better than anything abrams has ever done

I dont think I have looked forward to any film in my entire life so much.

I am glad you are excited. But don't oversell.

Better acting, at least as good if not better FX. Writing with some depth to it.

In what way is JJ superior to all that?

I guess it is an achievement in itself that the Axanar production is more liked by some then the JJ movies. They can hardly compete with a production that has 100times the budget.

The results so far say you're wrong. What we've seen so far of Axanar is feature-quality.

BTW, did anyone else get a bit of a B5 vibe off the establishing shots of Vulcan?

 

[Karzak]

The prelude to axanar was better than anything abrams has ever done.

Utter nonsense.

No, 100% truth.

Nope.

Did anyone else get a bit of a B5 vibe off the establishing shots of Vulcan?

Yep.

 

[Kemaiku]

An fanfilm, especially a pew pew movie made to pander to fans far more than a studio would ever do, cannot compete with an official production, nor should be ever be given equal consideration.

 

[Jedi_Master]

The scene with Soval and the other generic Vulcan lady wasn't bad, but the rest of the preview felt a bit like "Hey look at this cool shot... hey look at this other cool shot... oh and here is one more!"
Good for them, the work is impressive, but it still feels like an audition tape, not a film.

 

[Tom]

Looking at the there new Indidgogo page and this caught my eye:

"Axanar is the first independent Star Trek film. While some may call it a "fan film" as we are not licensed by CBS, Axanar has professionals working in front and behind the camera. A fully professional crew, many of whom have worked on Star Trek itself ensure Axanar will be the quality of Star Trek that all fans want to see."

This line on Indiegogo page is wrong. Both Star Trek: Of Gods and Men & Star Trek: Renegades were also independent 'films' with a professional cast and crew that also worked in the industry on shows, films, and some on past Star Trek series. Even P2 (although its a series) has had professionals in there crew and some cast (Walter, George, Denise) as well .

 

[fireproof78]

The prelude to axanar was better than anything abrams has ever done.

Utter nonsense.

No, 100% truth.

I am glad you are excited. But don't oversell.

Better acting, at least as good if not better FX. Writing with some depth to it.

In what way is JJ superior to all that?

I guess it is an achievement in itself that the Axanar production is more liked by some then the JJ movies. They can hardly compete with a production that has 100times the budget.

The results so far say you're wrong. What we've seen so far of Axanar is feature-quality.

BTW, did anyone else get a bit of a B5 vibe off the establishing shots of Vulcan?

It depended on the shot for me. The "Prelude" project worked in some parts, didn't in others, for me.

As for comparing it to Abrams Trek, depth was there, but its a matter of different people's perspective on that depth if it was successful. Also, we have a whole forum dedicated to that here

I liked all the actors in Prelude, but I'm hoping that it feels more consistent in the feature film.

 

[Tom Servo]

The prelude to axanar was better than anything abrams has ever done.

Utter nonsense.

No, 100% truth.

I am glad you are excited. But don't oversell.

Better acting, at least as good if not better FX. Writing with some depth to it.

In what way is JJ superior to all that?

I guess it is an achievement in itself that the Axanar production is more liked by some then the JJ movies. They can hardly compete with a production that has 100times the budget.

The results so far say you're wrong. What we've seen so far of Axanar is feature-quality.

BTW, did anyone else get a bit of a B5 vibe off the establishing shots of Vulcan?

Okay hold up, as a VFX professional, while the work Axanar has shown is extremely well done for a lower budget film, and I'm sure it will look very nice, to compare that to the work that ILM, Pixomondo and other companies did on Star Trek and Into Darkness is absolutely ludicrous and makes me discount the rest of your post. In terms of complexity and technical achievement, those films are on a completely different level then this, and I'm sure that the people who did the effects for Axanar would be the first to agree.

I don't know why JJ Trek had to be brought up at all in this thread. Axanar is a completely separate entity and I look forward to it for different reasons then I look forward to Star Trek Beyond.

 

[fireproof78]

Utter nonsense.

No, 100% truth.



Better acting, at least as good if not better FX. Writing with some depth to it.

In what way is JJ superior to all that?

I guess it is an achievement in itself that the Axanar production is more liked by some then the JJ movies. They can hardly compete with a production that has 100times the budget.

The results so far say you're wrong. What we've seen so far of Axanar is feature-quality.

BTW, did anyone else get a bit of a B5 vibe off the establishing shots of Vulcan?

Okay hold up, as a VFX professional, while the work Axanar has shown is extremely well done for a lower budget film, and I'm sure it will look very nice, to compare that to the work that ILM, Pixomondo and other companies did on Star Trek and Into Darkness is absolutely ludicrous and makes me discount the rest of your post. In terms of complexity and technical achievement, those films are on a completely different level then this, and I'm sure that the people who did the effects for Axanar would be the first to agree.

I don't know why JJ Trek had to be brought up at all in this thread. Axanar is a completely separate entity and I look forward to it for different reasons then I look forward to Star Trek Beyond.

Well said, and I think that expresses my point of view quite well, especially the bold part.

I'm not a VFX professional but can certainly say when VFX feels off to me. I always appreciate someone who can give words to the gut instincts I sometimes have about films, be it fan or professional.

 

[Phantom]

An fanfilm, especially a pew pew movie made to pander to fans far more than a studio would ever do, cannot compete with an official production, nor should be ever be given equal consideration.

Oh come down off your high-horse. That preview scene has absolutely nothing to do with "pew pew", and you know it.

You know what does have everything to do with "pew pew"?

JJ Trek. "Pew pew". Smirking Kirk. Boobs and juvenile sex humor. ID was a little better than 09, but not that much.

And visually the finished Vulcan scene looks as good or better than anything I've seen on the big screen.

Okay hold up, as a VFX professional, while the work Axanar has shown is extremely well done for a lower budget film, and I'm sure it will look very nice, to compare that to the work that ILM, Pixomondo and other companies did on Star Trek and Into Darkness is absolutely ludicrous and makes me discount the rest of your post. In terms of complexity and technical achievement, those films are on a completely different level then this, and I'm sure that the people who did the effects for Axanar would be the first to agree.

Oh please. I don't consider "nausea cam", lens flares, and a harsh, optically blown-out image to be marks of "complexity and technical achievement". I call it shoddy FX.

Is Axanar photo-real quality? No. Not at that budget. But they don't have the resources of ILM, et al and still put out something that might not be Jurassic World, or Terminator quality, but that looks as at least as good on screen as the Star Wars prequel films, and is perfectly watchable.

For a shoe-string budget (in Hollywood terms) that's a frakking miracle. Give them time on ILM's render farm and it would be even better.

 

[Mudd]

Dont mistake quantity as quality.

And don't try to sell personal enthusiasm as reasoned judgment, something genre fans have an awful tendency to do. The enthusiast may be genuinely confused, but others have a detached perspective.

 

[Ithekro]

Looking forward to some filmed story for the Four Years War. Been curious about the possibility of it since getting those FASA made RPG books back in the 80s. A war between the not quite so united Federation and the strong Klingon Empire. That it uses elements of TOS and ENT, as well as heavily modified CG models from Star Trek (2009) makes it all the better.

Need some 2230s era starships to go with the brand new USS Enterprise (NCC-1701)

 

[Phantom]

Dont mistake quantity as quality.

And don't try to sell personal enthusiasm as reasoned judgment, something genre fans have an awful tendency to do. The enthusiast may be genuinely confused, but others have a detached perspective.

I find most people pushing their "detached perspective" are basically snobs looking for an excuse.

Makes me think of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_v_ubcYsTI

 

[Tom Servo]

An fanfilm, especially a pew pew movie made to pander to fans far more than a studio would ever do, cannot compete with an official production, nor should be ever be given equal consideration.

Oh come down off your high-horse. That preview scene has absolutely nothing to do with "pew pew", and you know it.

You know what does have everything to do with "pew pew"?

JJ Trek. "Pew pew". Smirking Kirk. Boobs and juvenile sex humor. ID was a little better than 09, but not that much.

And visually the finished Vulcan scene looks as good or better than anything I've seen on the big screen.

Okay hold up, as a VFX professional, while the work Axanar has shown is extremely well done for a lower budget film, and I'm sure it will look very nice, to compare that to the work that ILM, Pixomondo and other companies did on Star Trek and Into Darkness is absolutely ludicrous and makes me discount the rest of your post. In terms of complexity and technical achievement, those films are on a completely different level then this, and I'm sure that the people who did the effects for Axanar would be the first to agree.

Oh please. I don't consider "nausea cam", lens flares, and a harsh, optically blown-out image to be marks of "complexity and technical achievement". I call it shoddy FX.

Is Axanar photo-real quality? No. Not at that budget. But they don't have the resources of ILM, et al and still put out something that might not be Jurassic World, or Terminator quality, but that looks as at least as good on screen as the Star Wars prequel films, and is perfectly watchable.

For a shoe-string budget (in Hollywood terms) that's a frakking miracle. Give them time on ILM's render farm and it would be even better.

You didn't say perfectly watchable, you said as good or better then the stuff in the Abrams' films. And thats just wrong on every single technical level, you absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

I don't give a crap if YOU think it's shoddy VFX, those films are constantly praised in the VFX industry for their excellent integration of live action and CG. Those films accomplish photo real composites and element creation, this Axanar footage does not compare in anyway, nor should it honestly. Your comparing it to the Star Wars prequels is in no way a compliment, since those films are commonly used to show an over reliance on green-screen and CG integration.

For what it is, and for what their budget is, it's really really good work, excellent even. But it's not photo real, which, even when you have a massive budget is still extremely hard to accomplish, especially when you are doing an entire environment as a CG asset. That last percentage of compositing, getting it from looking good, to photo real is the hardest part of the job (trust me, I would know since I do it every single day). Thats the reason that ILM and WETA are paid the big bucks, and it's hard to do massive CG environments on a smaller budget, especially if you are integrating live action people.

 

[gazomg]

Dont mistake quantity as quality.

And don't try to sell personal enthusiasm as reasoned judgment, something genre fans have an awful tendency to do. The enthusiast may be genuinely confused, but others have a detached perspective.

Dont try to sell ?

I am not sure why your malfunction is, I gave my opinion on what I think, you dont have to agree with it, but dont try to be smart and think your opinion is more worthy, clever or important.

Just accept that I have my preference as you have yours
I have not told you that your opinion is wrong or questioned it, I accept your, so i suggest you learn to accept others

 

[BillJ]

Are some people really still so hung up on films that are now 6 and 2 years old that they have to keep bitching about them in every post they make?

Guess they have a lot of free time to waste on the issue.

This.

Axanar has nothing to do with the Abrams films and the drive-by bashing is tiresome.

 

[TerryMcIntosh]

Thought that I'd stop by and say hello, now that the madhouse of the past few days is behind the Axanar team.

So, as a producer on Prelude and the coming feature, does anyone have any questions that can receive a direct answer from one of the horse's mouths? I promise the truth and respect, unless someone's a knucklehead and then it'll be both barrels -- I'm too old to d*ck around.

It's been an interesting read and the many different perspectives have merit, especially in the more subjective and aesthetic departments.

--Terry

 

[gazomg]

Thought that I'd stop by and say hello, now that the madhouse of the past few days is behind the Axanar team.

So, as a producer on Prelude and the coming feature, does anyone have any questions that can receive a direct answer from one of the horse's mouths? I promise the truth and respect, unless someone's a knucklehead and then it'll be both barrels -- I'm too old to d*ck around.

It's been an interesting read and the many different perspectives have merit, especially in the more subjective and aesthetic departments.

--Terry

When is the release date

And how do i get one of those great patches ?

 

[Titan Designer]

Thought that I'd stop by and say hello, now that the madhouse of the past few days is behind the Axanar team.

So, as a producer on Prelude and the coming feature, does anyone have any questions that can receive a direct answer from one of the horse's mouths? I promise the truth and respect, unless someone's a knucklehead and then it'll be both barrels -- I'm too old to d*ck around.

It's been an interesting read and the many different perspectives have merit, especially in the more subjective and aesthetic departments.

--Terry

You tell them Terry. I haven't posted here in a while, turn into more of a lurker lately.