Star Trek: Axanar

[Warped9]

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, yes, but have some perspective.

If someone has seen a fair serving of genre as well as mainstream films and television over years to decades then thats plenty for a baseline from which to judge Abrams' Trek films. Thats plenty of perspective from which one could judge Abrams' work as seriously wanting.

 

[Jedi_Master]

Pretty much every American has seen enough "genre" films to be able to judge Abrams work. Not sure how many Americans will be wandering by to take a peak at Axanar.

 

[Karzak]

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, yes, but have some perspective.

If someone has seen a fair serving of genre as well as mainstream films and television over years to decades then thats plenty for a baseline from which to judge Abrams' Trek films. Thats plenty of perspective from which one could judge Abrams' work as seriously wanting.

 

[northstar]

I guess it is an achievement in itself that the Axanar production is more liked by some then the JJ movies. They can hardly compete with a production that has 100times the budget. But if they are lucky they ring a certain bell and get the tone right for those Trek fans that did not find what they were looking for in those movies.

 

[DCR]

I will admit that I'm looking forward to Axanar more than I am to Star Trek Beyond. I am also more excited by Renegades, the Holiest Thing, STC:V, Horizons, and from what I've seen, Pacific 201. The list goes on.

This does not mean I think they are better. It does mean that from what I know of them, they more closely align with my personal tastes and interests.

One thing I will say for Axanar, they give me real confidence that they are spending the money on film making and that they will produce a film unless prevented by an external force.

 

[MikeH92467]

I will admit that I'm looking forward to Axanar more than I am to Star Trek Beyond. I am also more excited by Renegades, the Holiest Thing, STC:V, Horizons, and from what I've seen, Pacific 201. The list goes on.

This does not mean I think they are better. It does mean that from what I know of them, they more closely align with my personal tastes and interests.

One thing I will say for Axanar, they give me real confidence that they are spending the money on film making and that they will produce a film unless prevented by an external force.

ditto

 

[gazomg]

Pretty much every American has seen enough "genre" films to be able to judge Abrams work. Not sure how many Americans will be wandering by to take a peak at Axanar.

I aint American though

----------

As for the guy who said I need prospective.
Here is a fact, I like what I like. If I think Axanar is better than anything abrams has done, I dont have to convince anyone nor justify my statement or reason.

It like arguing over anything, be it a food drink, if that is what you like then thats it. I have never come across so many people who come rallying to the defense of any criticism aimed at Abrams.
Its staggering., but if ye like Abrams stuff then that is great for ye and I am glad ye ;like it as ye are entitled. to your opinion but trying to tell me I am wrong when I know what I like is simply stupid.

Anyhow, when is this movie expected to be coming out ?

 

[Warped9]

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, yes, but have some perspective.

If someone has seen a fair serving of genre as well as mainstream films and television over years to decades then thats plenty for a baseline from which to judge Abrams' Trek films. Thats plenty of perspective from which one could judge Abrams' work as seriously wanting.

Back at you. You insulted people who disagree with your opinion and then insult them again because they can counter what you said.

 

[Karzak]

Where is the insult? To what "people?"

All I said was that JJ Abrams has a long and prolific career outside of TWO STAR TREK MOVIES and that I didn't especially believe that a 20 minute fan film was any better than anything he'd done in the pantheon of his successful career. I'm not sure why that seems to have stirred your ire.

I know I might just be a crazy "yoot" but I never insulted you or anyone else. I just pointed out that everything you wrote was bullshit because you can't seem to allow for any other opinion on any given matter exept your own.

Agree to disagree. Jeez.

 

[gazomg]

Just because someone made lots of movies dont mean they are somehow better.
Dont mistake quantity as quality.

 

[Ronald Held]

I must admit I would rather watch Axanar versus the next JJ Trek film. As usual YMMV

 

[Karzak]

Then it's probably good for you that JJ isn't making the next Star Trek film.

 

[gazomg]

I must admit I would rather watch Axanar versus the next JJ Trek film. As usual YMMV

Wonder if a poll was done on which film people on here are more looking forward to, what the outcome would be.
I reckon it would be very close to call

 

[F. King Daniel]

I will admit that I'm looking forward to Axanar more than I am to Star Trek Beyond. I am also more excited by Renegades, the Holiest Thing, STC:V, Horizons, and from what I've seen, Pacific 201. The list goes on.

This does not mean I think they are better. It does mean that from what I know of them, they more closely align with my personal tastes and interests.

One thing I will say for Axanar, they give me real confidence that they are spending the money on film making and that they will produce a film unless prevented by an external force.

Very well put!

(Although personally, I see Renegades, Axanar and the others as stops on the road to Beyond)

 

[Warped9]

Where is the insult? To what "people?"

All I said was that JJ Abrams has a long and prolific career outside of TWO STAR TREK MOVIES and that I didn't especially believe that a 20 minute fan film was any better than anything he'd done in the pantheon of his successful career. I'm not sure why that seems to have stirred your ire.

I know I might just be a crazy "yoot" but I never insulted you or anyone else. I just pointed out that everything you wrote was bullshit because you can't seem to allow for any other opinion on any given matter exept your own.

Agree to disagree. Jeez.

You said one had to have some perspective rather that state they thought a fan production was better than Abrams' Trek. One could take that as dismmising people who prefer the fan production over Abrams' Trek as not having any perspective. Maybe you didn't mean it that way, but it could be taken that way.

And when I made a counterpoint to your statement you used a video clip to effectively state everything I said was bullshit. Well that isn't going to be taken any other way than as a putdown.

I allowed for your opinion and simply countered that it's a presumption to declare that anyone who doesn't prefer Abrams' Trek doesn't have any perspective.

My opinion is one I don't have to apologize for. And I (and others like me) have seen plenty of genre and mainstream film and television over the years to give me more than enough perspective on which to judge Abrams work. That my judgment doesn't agree with yours is not indicative of any lack of perspective.

 

[DCR]

Where is the insult? To what "people?"

All I said was that JJ Abrams has a long and prolific career outside of TWO STAR TREK MOVIES and that I didn't especially believe that a 20 minute fan film was any better than anything he'd done in the pantheon of his successful career. I'm not sure why that seems to have stirred your ire.

I know I might just be a crazy "yoot" but I never insulted you or anyone else. I just pointed out that everything you wrote was bullshit because you can't seem to allow for any other opinion on any given matter exept your own.

Agree to disagree. Jeez.

You said one had to have some perspective rather that state they thought a fan production was better than Abrams' Trek. One could take that as dismmising people who prefer the fan production over Abrams' Trek as not having any perspective. Maybe you didn't mean it that way, but it could be taken that way.

And when I made a counterpoint to your statement you used a video clip to effectively state everything I said was bullshit. Well that isn't going to be taken any other way than as a putdown.

I allowed for your opinion and simply countered that it's a presumption to declare that anyone who doesn't prefer Abrams' Trek doesn't have any perspective.

My opinion is one I don't have to apologize for. And I (and others like me) have seen plenty of genre and mainstream film and television over the years to give me more than enough perspective on which to judge Abrams work. That my judgment doesn't agree with yours is not indicative of any lack of perspective.

I think it's important to note that a statement of preference is not the same as a judgment of quality.

For example, there are a huge number of really well-made comedies that I want nothing to do with. I don't like the vast majority of comedies; I don't find them funny, and actually find many of them emotionally painful to watch.

There are also a whole bunch of cheap and crappy SF or action movies that I'm happy to watch.

I'm never going to claim that they're better, but I don't care that the plot, character development, and acting are inferior to those in a comedy because the finest execution of something I don't like isn't going to draw me in. Sometimes it makes it worse because it's a more powerful presentation of what I don't like.

 

[BigJake]

We don't really need the Abrams-bashing, I don't think. We all have our reasons for being excited for Axanar, for some of us part of the reason involves dissatisfaction with NuTrek and for some it doesn't, I think we can take all of that as having been read into the record for some time. Just let Axanar be Axanar, I'm not going to go comparing it to the official movies; as an indie film it's going to be too different a beast, anyway.

I liked the scene in the promo video: solid and visually appealing. Looking forward to more.

 

[Karzak]

Where is the insult? To what "people?"

All I said was that JJ Abrams has a long and prolific career outside of TWO STAR TREK MOVIES and that I didn't especially believe that a 20 minute fan film was any better than anything he'd done in the pantheon of his successful career. I'm not sure why that seems to have stirred your ire.

I know I might just be a crazy "yoot" but I never insulted you or anyone else. I just pointed out that everything you wrote was bullshit because you can't seem to allow for any other opinion on any given matter exept your own.

Agree to disagree. Jeez.

You said one had to have some perspective rather that state they thought a fan production was better than Abrams' Trek. One could take that as dismmising people who prefer the fan production over Abrams' Trek as not having any perspective. Maybe you didn't mean it that way, but it could be taken that way.

And when I made a counterpoint to your statement you used a video clip to effectively state everything I said was bullshit. Well that isn't going to be taken any other way than as a putdown.

I allowed for your opinion and simply countered that it's a presumption to declare that anyone who doesn't prefer Abrams' Trek doesn't have any perspective.

My opinion is one I don't have to apologize for. And I (and others like me) have seen plenty of genre and mainstream film and television over the years to give me more than enough perspective on which to judge Abrams work. That my judgment doesn't agree with yours is not indicative of any lack of perspective.

Jesus Christ, you are tiresome.

My comment about "have some perspective" was regarding the comment that Axanar was "better than anything Abrams had ever done."

I know in your little circle jerk to hate JJ Abrams, it's impossible for you to see anything on his resume outside of the two Star Trek films but the man has had a long, successful and great career.

Equating a 20 minute fan film teaser as better than everything Abrams has done seemed rather silly, and I said as much and something which other posters also chimed in to comment on as well.

 

[gazomg]

My comment about "have some perspective" was regarding the comment that Axanar was "better than anything Abrams had ever done.".

You mean in your opinion.
Why is it so hard for you to accept that some people have a different opinion than you.

My initial comment was aimed at Abrams role in trek, and I firmly believe it to be true, you have made it clear you dont agree which is your right, but you have to accept it that others do not agree with you.

 

[Kemaiku]

Are some people really still so hung up on films that are now 6 and 2 years old that they have to keep bitching about them in every post they make?

Guess they have a lot of free time to waste on the issue.