Will they go back to primeTrek after nuTrek finishes?.

[fireproof78]

So, given a choice between the current popular movie version, and the dead from lack of interest TV version, CBS would go with the dead version?

They don't own the rights to the popular movie version.

CBS owns Star Trek. Therefore CBS owns Star Trek.

Abrams wanted Star Trek Prime universe gone to have his unified canon on several mediums. CBS wouldn't oblige. Fact.

Evidence?

While I don't agree with the wulfio's overall point, there is evidence that CBS disagreed with Bad Robot's desire to do only their film merchandising. I found an IGN article that supports this concept, May 16, 2013. It has been repeated a couple of times around the Internet. Quick research at this article, from Screen Rant, points back to The Wrap.

Please take all of it with a grain of salt, as it is the Internet, and rumors take on a life of their own, but this seems to be close to correct.

 

[eyeresist]

Abrams wanted Star Trek Prime universe gone to have his unified canon on several mediums. CBS wouldn't oblige. Fact.

Evidence?

While I don't agree with the wulfio's overall point, there is evidence that CBS disagreed with Bad Robot's desire to do only their film merchandising. I found an IGN article that supports this concept, May 16, 2013. It has been repeated a couple of times around the Internet. Quick research at this article, from Screen Rant, points back to The Wrap.

Thanks for that. The IGN article also points back to The Wrap. The most interesting quotes:

"J.J. just threw up his hands," the individual told TheWrap. "The message was, 'Why set up all this when we'll just be competing against ourselves?' The studio wanted to please Bad Robot, but it was allowing CBS to say yay or nay when it came to what was happening with the 'Star Trek' products."
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Paramount must license the “Star Trek” characters from CBS Consumer Products for film merchandising.

Much to the dismay of Bad Robot, CBS' merchandising arm continued to create memorabilia and products based on the cast of the original 1960s series and market them to Trekkies. The production company did market research and found that there was brand confusion between Abrams' rebooted Enterprise crew and the one starring William Shatner and DeForest Kelley.

TheWrap has learned that Bad Robot asked CBS to stop making products featuring the original cast, but talks broke down over money. The network was making roughly $20 million a year on that merchandise and had no incentive to play nice with its former corporate brother, the individual said. In response, the company scaled back its ambitions to have "Star Trek's" storylines play out with television shows, spin-off films and online components, something Abrams had been eager to accomplish.

The upshot is that TOS won't return to TV because CBS is still milking the images of Shatner and Nimoy. This seems shortsighted when one considers that a NuTrek TV series could pull in considerably more that $20 million, but the thing is that CBS is currently making that money purely from licensing. A new series would require them to actually do something.

The comparison with Star Wars doesn't stand up, because Abrams isn't rebooting Wars with new actors and new designs, he's just making sequels.

 

[fireproof78]

The upshot is that TOS won't return to TV because CBS is still milking the images of Shatner and Nimoy. This seems shortsighted when one considers that a NuTrek TV series could pull in considerably more that $20 million, but the thing is that CBS is currently making that money purely from licensing. A new series would require them to actually do something.

The comparison with Star Wars doesn't stand up, because Abrams isn't rebooting Wars with new actors and new designs, he's just making sequels.

Exactly my point that I have been making several times over. CBS doesn't need to do anything at all right now to make their money.

I also agree that any comparison with Star Wars to Star Trek is unreasonable. Totally different market and story that Abrams is dealing with there.

Secondly, CBS, again, plays it safe and is unlikely to change a merchandising model that is working for them. Unnecessary risk to profit stream means they probably won't change it.

Finally, CBS owns all the important aspects of Star Trek, namely merchandising and the TV series. So, if even Bad Robot was beholden to CBS and not able to do all that they wanted with ST-09 and STID without negotiating with CBS, then I would say that they have a pretty powerful say.

 

[eyeresist]

So, if we want more Trek on TV, we have to stop buying the merchandise!

 

[chardman]

Wulfio is mistaken in any case. IIRC Star Trek is wholly owned by CBS. Paramount merely licenses the movie rights to the property from CBS.

Another reason to not go back, and to instead stick with the nuTrek universe, is that so much of the work has already been done, at someone else's expense. Case in point... if CBS wanted to do a new Trek show, why would they pay millions for the design and construction of new sets when they could simply buy the already designed and built nuTrek set pieces, from Paramount, when Paramount is through with them, for a mere fraction of the cost? Hell, TNG probably wouldn't have been economically feasible, had they not been able to merely recycle and redress set pieces from the TOS film series.

 

[Khan444]

The whole reason why they did the "soft reboot" thing in the first place was because they felt that the Prime-verse was played out and that the continuity had become to vast/complicated. So they're NOT going to go back to it, it's that simple. Especially after putting all of this time, effort, resources, and money into the new universe. They'd be more like to reboot again than to go back to the Prime-verse (although I consider that to be highly unlikely as well).

If there is ever a new Trek show, it will almost certainly be set in the "Abrams-verse."

 

[eyeresist]

I know that in anime they often reuse a known story set (characters, set-up) to tell a slightly different story. Not so much a reboot as a new variation. The interest is seeing what new twist or character development arises from the retelling. We may end up seeing TOS treated in this way.

 

[fireproof78]

Wulfio is mistaken in any case. IIRC Star Trek is wholly owned by CBS. Paramount merely licenses the movie rights to the property from CBS.

Another reason to not go back, and to instead stick with the nuTrek universe, is that so much of the work has already been done, at someone else's expense. Case in point... if CBS wanted to do a new Trek show, why would they pay millions for the design and construction of new sets when they could simply buy the already designed and built nuTrek set pieces, from Paramount, when Paramount is through with them, for a mere fraction of the cost? Hell, TNG probably wouldn't have been economically feasible, had they not been able to merely recycle and redress set pieces from the TOS film series.

I think that it was a mix between TOS film sets and TNG sets that were built specifically for that show. I would have to double check the details, but TFF and TUC relied on many sets from TNG for their filming.

Regardless, I agree that CBS would be wise to take advantage of Paramount and Bad Robot's work and utilize at least some of the sets available.

 

[Khan444]

The best way to do it imo, would be to set a hypothetical TV show in the Abrams-verse (and use some of the old sets/outfits), but focus it around a different crew in a different location. That way you also side-step the problem of all of the "Nu-Enterprise" actors being too expensive/high-profile to do an ongoing TV show.

 

[Wulff359]

The best way to do it imo, would be to set a hypothetical TV show in the Abrams-verse (and use some of the old sets/outfits), but focus it around a different crew in a different location. That way you also side-step the problem of all of the "Nu-Enterprise" actors being too expensive/high-profile to do an ongoing TV show.

To me, this sounds more like wishful thinking. Just because one WANTS the next Trek Show to be a NuTrek Show doesn't make it happen. There are also copyrights and hurt egos involved. JJ wanted to create a full blown new experience with shows, movies, books, games and what not... But when CBS did not play along, he pulled out and did Star Wars instead. So everything that was created for NuTrek is now a leftover from an aborted project.
It would make more sense, to start completely from scratch - this way the new show is not bound to ANY continuity. May it be before or after the Narada crossed into the past (Q brought the Voyager all the way to the Big Bang in the past). AND this way CBS does not own anything to Paramount - if at that point CBS actually still has the rights to Star Trek. The next Boss of that Network may decide to sell them, one never knows...

 

[Ithekro]

That would be more like TNG after Star Trek IV. You use some of the same sets, redressed most of the time, and reuse props, but do what is mostly a soft reset, until the later writers bring in more and more of what the audience (and they) know from the past films/shows.

A NuTV show would use existing materials as they can get, but the writers could go in any direction. It could be set three weeks after Star Trek Beyond, or it could be set three hundred years after Star Trek Beyond and make vague references to things that happened on Deep Space Nine. That's up to the writer and producers after a pilot is made and a season is proposed.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

As long as the new movies don't turn into Bourne adventures in space..

 

[JWPlatt]

That's Matt Damon. How about Jack Ryan adventures in space.

 

[eyeresist]

Just because one WANTS the next Trek Show to be a NuTrek Show doesn't make it happen. There are also copyrights and hurt egos involved. JJ wanted to create a full blown new experience with shows, movies, books, games and what not... But when CBS did not play along, he pulled out and did Star Wars instead.

CBS owns Star Trek. That means they also own NuTrek. Paramount is not able to independently trademark their designs or their actors' images.

So everything that was created for NuTrek is now a leftover from an aborted project.

Everything created for NuTrek is part of a successful ongoing movie series! Which CBS owns.

 

[Wulff359]

Just because one WANTS the next Trek Show to be a NuTrek Show doesn't make it happen. There are also copyrights and hurt egos involved. JJ wanted to create a full blown new experience with shows, movies, books, games and what not... But when CBS did not play along, he pulled out and did Star Wars instead.

CBS owns Star Trek. That means they also own NuTrek. Paramount is not able to independently trademark their designs or their actors' images.

So everything that was created for NuTrek is now a leftover from an aborted project.

Everything created for NuTrek is part of a successful ongoing movie series! Which CBS owns.

Someone correct me if I am wrong. As I understand it, CBS owns the rights to Star Trek. Paramount owns the rights to the NuTrek Movies, but not to the brand. Paramount licensed the name Star Trek and everything belonging to it from CBS until 2016 only for movies and part of the merchandising. If they wanted to do another Star Trek related movie beyond 2017 they would have to buy the license again from CBS. Only if CBS plays along (under their conditions) a 4th, or 5th NuTrek Movie can be made.
That changes nothing of the fact that JJ had plans for the Franchise, and those plans were torpedoed by CBS. So what we see in NuTrek is not what was envisioned for NuTrek.

 

[Dukhat]

That changes nothing of the fact that JJ had plans for the Franchise, and those plans were torpedoed by CBS. So what we see in NuTrek is not what was envisioned for NuTrek.

Can you provide proof of this? I keep hearing this about JJ from people here, but I've yet to see any official statement that this is in fact true.

 

[Firebird]

CBS owns Star Trek. That means they also own NuTrek. Paramount is not able to independently trademark their designs or their actors' images.

So everything that was created for NuTrek is now a leftover from an aborted project.

Everything created for NuTrek is part of a successful ongoing movie series! Which CBS owns.

As I understand it, CBS only owns the rights for Star Trek on television. Paramount has retained all rights for any cinematic iterations of the franchise, old AND new.

 

[Nerys Myk]

CBS owns Star Trek. If you look on the latest DVDs/BRs you'll see a CBS copyright.

 

[Franklin]

That changes nothing of the fact that JJ had plans for the Franchise, and those plans were torpedoed by CBS. So what we see in NuTrek is not what was envisioned for NuTrek.

Can you provide proof of this? I keep hearing this about JJ from people here, but I've yet to see any official statement that this is in fact true.

This article may answer some of your questions. I doubt anyone involved would actually issue any "official" statements, so this is the best evidence that may exist.

http://www.thewrap.com/movies/artic...ights-killed-jj-abrams-grand-ambitions-91766/

 

[mos6507]

TheWrap has learned that Bad Robot asked CBS to stop making products featuring the original cast

That's where my sympathy ends. JJ wanted a moratorium on prime-Trek merchandising rather than allowing prime-trek to coexist with nu-trek in the marketplace. Whether CBS was being petty or not, I'm glad they didn't budge.