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Game Of Thrones Season 5 TV Only Discussion (Spoilers)

There's definitely some sort of virus because Shireen [RIP :(] got it from a doll... and the Stone Men are covered in infected tissue. Presumably it has to be more advanced before his level of contact w/Dany would be a problem.


...and as many have observed, Stannis has been cold-heartedly toasting people for a while, so it isn't like he was that nice a guy.

Blame it on Jon Snow's mercy for Mance frakking up the first try?
 
That was good. Apart from the highly dodgy depictions of the use and effects of weapons/ (My HEMA bones are all cringing).

Loved the ending.

Loved that jorah is back in favour with his Queen... Oh, if only it was that easy in real life.
 
Apparently GRRM told D&D about Shireen's end before the episode. So maybe that will quell book purists. I know a lot of people are ready to burn D&D at the stake for what they did to Shireen,

Oh so GRRM was going to do it to her anyway?

And what of that other..

child of a king?

I had to think about who you were it for a moment. I believe Gendry is working as a smith somewhere.


In the books (especially Feast of Crows and Dance With Dragons) characters such as Gendry, Sansa, Littlefinger, Bran, Rickon, Arya, Asha/Yara etc are pretty much MIA. I don't even think Sansa and Bran showed up in a Dance With Dragons.

Hopefully Winds of Winter turns things around.

Nope not Gendry..

Gilly's son is switched with another baby for this purpose isn't he? Or am I confusing the reasoning behind the switch?
 
Damn that was some fine tension between Jorah and Dany and if there was ever any doubt that Dany still has feelings other than hate for Jorah this episode should put it to rest (unless i'm grossly misinterpreting that scene :lol:)


Yeah, if Jorah lost the job of advisor, then he can at least be her bodyguard, and it looks like she'll need one after last night. Leave the politics to Tyrion, and he should be Ok. And together, they make for a fine team among her entourage.
 
JORAH THE ANDAL BABY!

Damn that was some fine tension between Jorah and Dany and if there was ever any doubt that Dany still has feelings other than hate for Jorah this episode should put it to rest (unless i'm grossly misinterpreting that scene :lol:)

Hate? Taking his hand like that? Nah.
 
This is also an issue of 'What the hell did Cersei expect'. Why did she go into their prison on her own without guards? Was she so convinced of her own Tiwyn-ness that she couldn't do the basic math of "Organization that imprisons sinful people + Woman known to be incestuous = Imprisoned woman"?

It's simply in her character. Cersei thinks she's so damn clever, but she quite simply isn't. Hell, at least 2 people (Tyrion and Tywin) have told her that to her face and she still doesn't get it.

All she saw with the High Sparrow was an opportunity to get back at the Tyrells and had no thought to anything beyond that one short-term goal. Even if she did spare a single thought for anything beyond getting Loras and Margaery thrown in prison, she probably thought that she could control the High Sparrow. But she has realized that (just like Grandma Tyrell) the High Sparrow isn't tempted by wealth or power or anything like that. Cersei literally gave power to the one person she can't control.

One thing is certain, somewhere Littlefinger is laughing his ass off seeing how well Cersei is screwing up the capitol without any prompting from him (ruined brothels aside).
 
It's almost funny how Cersei basically handed herself to them because she couldn't resist gloating.

But still, she has the skill of a master manipulator. That plan of hers almost put away Margerie and her brother for good. And she had already sent Mace away to keep him from interfering.

Probably learned it from Tywin. But she could be so dense and childish.

She was just too damn petty for her own good.

IDK, Dani still looked like she could have Jorah exiled after this is over. She just had that look.

Stannis-he was starting to look somewhat decent, but now, after what he just done, he is more dangerous than ever.
 
If Shireen = Iphigenia and Stannis = Agamemnon, it probably won't end well for Stannis.

I'm sure Cersei will have her revenge. I suspect her secret weapon will turn out to be the Terminator.
 
JORAH THE ANDAL BABY!

Damn that was some fine tension between Jorah and Dany and if there was ever any doubt that Dany still has feelings other than hate for Jorah this episode should put it to rest (unless i'm grossly misinterpreting that scene :lol:)

Hate? Taking his hand like that? Nah.
It sure didn't take her long to move on after being widowed.

I don't know if moving on is the right termn. Yes, she has sex with Daario but that's about it. Pure physical release, no deep emotions.

Jorah was a very close friend (and he wished he was more ;)) who betrayed and lied to her so she went ballistic and banished him due to her hot temper.

In the show (i don't know about the details of their relationship in the books) it is her stubborness and still lingering anger that keeps him away, even when they met and it's clear he regrets his actions deeply.

However in this episode it was quite clear that she still cares for him as she watches him nearly die, unable to stop it due to her station and the customs of Mereen. As events turn out he shows he is still loyal to her and risks his life to protect her (he could have simply used the chaos to make his own escape, the Sons of Harpy are not after him).

It'll be interesting to see what, if anything, will happen in the last episode of the season, i.e. if they have time to go back to their relationship or if it will be relegated to season 6 (and then there's still the disease Jorah caught).
 
This is also an issue of 'What the hell did Cersei expect'. Why did she go into their prison on her own without guards? Was she so convinced of her own Tiwyn-ness that she couldn't do the basic math of "Organization that imprisons sinful people + Woman known to be incestuous = Imprisoned woman"?

It's simply in her character. Cersei thinks she's so damn clever, but she quite simply isn't. Hell, at least 2 people (Tyrion and Tywin) have told her that to her face and she still doesn't get it.

All she saw with the High Sparrow was an opportunity to get back at the Tyrells and had no thought to anything beyond that one short-term goal. Even if she did spare a single thought for anything beyond getting Loras and Margaery thrown in prison, she probably thought that she could control the High Sparrow. But she has realized that (just like Grandma Tyrell) the High Sparrow isn't tempted by wealth or power or anything like that. Cersei literally gave power to the one person she can't control.

One thing is certain, somewhere Littlefinger is laughing his ass off seeing how well Cersei is screwing up the capitol without any prompting from him (ruined brothels aside).

Pretty much what Steven said.

Cersei puts her faith in her position (Queen/Queen Regent) and in the famous/wealthy house she comes from. She thinks these two things alone will carry her over any challenges she faces but she's wrong.


It was explained last season that House Lannister's gold mines have run dry and that is why Tywin is investing House Tyrell in the crown. Cersei knew this and still chose to imprison publicly castigate and humiliate Margery and Loras. Tywin also told Cersei that the Crown owes the Iron Bank a substantial amount of money. Tywin explains that the Iron Bank can't be bargained with or cheated. However Cersei has every intention of doing the latter. Because she doesn't care. She thinks her title and famous name (Lannister) will spare her from any rebuke she might face.


Compare the 4 Lannisters.

Tywin: Leader of House Lannister. Served as Hand of the King to Aerys Targaryan (The Mad King) and Joffery Baratheon. He fought against Aerys, wiped out House Reyne and conspired with Walder Frey and Roose Bolton to destroy most of House Stark and their bannermen. Tywin commands respect across Westeros and in nations across the Narrow Sea (Volantis and Bravos).


Cersei: Queen to Robert Baratheon, Regent to Joffery, Queen mother to Tommen. She has power but never really ruled. As I explained above, she puts more stock in her title/position and the money attached to her famous name.


Jaime: Kings Guard and Knight. Put his faith in his swordsmanship and famous name. Jaime was more of a fighter, and has been considerably reduced since losing his sword hand. Which he lost trying to play his family name card with Locke, a Bolton bannerman.

Tyrion: Definitely the smartest and cleverest of his siblings. Due to his short size, Tyrion always relied on his wits and cunning to see him through things. It got him out of execution at the Vale, helped him when he ruled as Hand of the King, when he defended Kings Landing from Stannis, when he served as Master of Coin, etc etc. Tyrion plays his family name card also, but he's less reliant on it as say Cersei and Jaime were.



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House Lannister for you.
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House Lannister is my favorite house.

Cersei reminds me very much of a popular girl I went to school with, looks remarkably like her as well as personality.
 
Cersei's problem is that she thinks she's the smartest person in the kingdom simply because she outwitted the dumbest man in the kingdom...

As for her secret weapon being the Terminator, let's not forget that as of next month, Dany's secret weapon is also the Terminator!
 
^ I think Littlefinger makes a close second and Varys a third.

I don't think Littlefinger is as smart as it appears, he's just very ruthless and people have been severely underestimating him. After all he's just a brothel owner ;)

However he has an uncanny ability to know when to change sides for his benefit, this could be interpreted as smart but i believe he's just an immoral person who's only out for himself.

Varys however i'd rate very high, at the same level of Tywin, Tyrion and the Queen of Thorns who i believe are the smartest people who have been featured so far.
 
Stannis is an utter piece of shit.

He is actually now at least as bad as Ramsey, if not much worse.

At least Ramsey knows, and takes pleasure in, his status as an evil character. Stannis thinks that buring his daughter alive is the RIGHT thing to do.

It was a poor writing decision, there is only one character who deserves to escape the Battle of Winterfell alive, and that's Sansa. It will take a lot of the edge off the battle hoping both sides get wiped out.
 
Stannis did the right thing. His army of thousands is facing death by either starvation or freezing and the White Walkers are about to invade Westeros and kill millions (including his daughter). He believes, and has a damn good reason to believe, that by sacrificing his daughter he can save millions of lives. What choice did the man have?
 
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