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[Sparkle Fabulosa]

Finished season 1. Actually I wasn't too sure I had because Netflix has The Christmas Carol listed as the 14th episode but I checked online and it says that it's the first episode of season 2. Weird. So I guess I have finished. All I can say is WOW! That was a lot to take in. My brain hurts from all that time travelling.

 

[Guy Gardener]

No.

There's a Christmas special every year.

The Christmas Invasion was between season one and 2.

A Christmas Carol was between 5 and 6.

And, you can now watch that youtube I posted a page back, if you hadn't already.

 

[Doctorwhovian]

Season 6's opener is interesting, if a bit weird at times. It also has Matthew Shepard and his dad (Who has been in many Star Trek roles) playing the same character.

 

[Guy Gardener]

When did you notice that Rory is now more than twice as old as the Doctor JG?

 

[Ithekro]

That depends on if the Doctor is lying about his age (he is, but he's so old now that he's forgotten that he's lying).

He was over 900 years old when he regenerated into the Seveth Doctor. He's 900 years old as the Ninth Doctor. He has issues.

 

[Sindatur]

Season 6's opener is interesting, if a bit weird at times. It also has Matthew Shepard and his dad (Who has been in many Star Trek roles) playing the same character.

Mark Sheppard and his father W. Morgan Sheppard.

*Matthew Shepard is the Gay Kid that was beaten to Death by Bigots that tried to use "we beat him because he was Gay" as a defense.

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

When did you notice that Rory is now more than twice as old as the Doctor JG?

Honestly I didn't even think about it until you brought it up. I now realize that I screwed up in referring to season 5 as 1. I guess because when you watch a show, you start at the beginning.

One thing from the finale that I don't get is when the Doctor went to the "other side" in order for the cracks to close up, he no longer existed, right? Yet when Amy remembered him all she did was call out and within seconds he appeared.

 

[diankra]

When did you notice that Rory is now more than twice as old as the Doctor JG?

Honestly I didn't even think about it until you brought it up. I now realize that I screwed up in referring to season 5 as 1. I guess because when you watch a show, you start at the beginning.

One thing from the finale that I don't get is when the Doctor went to the "other side" in order for the cracks to close up, he no longer existed, right? Yet when Amy remembered him all she did was call out and within seconds he appeared.

The cracks are not done with; you'll later see what created them, and what they connect to.
So if it doesn't make sense yet, there is more info to come. (Though it still doesn't entirely make sense yet).

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

When did you notice that Rory is now more than twice as old as the Doctor JG?

Honestly I didn't even think about it until you brought it up. I now realize that I screwed up in referring to season 5 as 1. I guess because when you watch a show, you start at the beginning.

One thing from the finale that I don't get is when the Doctor went to the "other side" in order for the cracks to close up, he no longer existed, right? Yet when Amy remembered him all she did was call out and within seconds he appeared.

The TARDIS can get anywhere from everywhere. Even Dimension hopping is possible, but it is extremely difficult. There can be circumstances when navigation requires some sort of beacon or landing lights.
The Doctor was able to home in on Amy because she remembered him and had that connection to the crack.
That's my interpretation anyway.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Nah.

He was gone.

Worse then dead.

The Doctor had never existed.

Her memories of him "created" (the Doctor) like magic from nonexistence.

Hells.

Even Amy had 2 lives. One without a family where she travelled with the Doctor and one with a massive family that wasn't eaten by the crack in her wall, and he didn't exist.

Of course how did River survive is the real question?

Oh, what was the timey whimey thing where blindfolded Amy inside the Byzantium was talking to the wrong Doctor?

 

[Nightowl1701]

River cannot exist in a universe where there is no Doctor, at least not as the River we know (for reasons you'll see later, JG). And (as a Season 4 Tennant episode graphically showed, among countless other examples) neither could Earth exist in a universe where there never had been a Doctor. He's that intrinsic a part of the planet's history. Hence, for River to exist to appear at the wedding, and for there to be an Earth for a wedding to happen on, the Doctor already existed in the new universe.

Everything except the cracks (and the exploding TARDIS) was simply put back to where it was before the cracks messed up the original universe. The Doctor existed in that universe, so he existed in this one.

Except...this was a Doctor who, until Amy remembered, had never met Amelia Pond. Never landed in her garden, since there was no crack to lure the TARDIS in. Never had adventures with her. And hence never had to jump in the crack himself and be erased from existence.

He didn't really need Amy to remember him. He needed her to remember HER time with him. If she hadn't (without the timely help of River's TARDIS diary), Eleven would have simply carried on his life without her, and (unbeknownest to him) River would've done a Marty McFly and faded into oblivion.

But Amy remembers. And then, somewhere in the Universe, he remembers. And then dons a top hat and tux and lands the TARDIS at just the right moment in time and space to reunite with the friend he almost never met.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The Doctor remembered Rory after he was deleted because of his own temporal inertia.

Change takes a run at him, but it can't budge him a lick. Kill his grandfather and it might make him yawn. The lad has big brass ones.

Amy had much less inertia, so forgot her fiancée.

Later when they met again in Roman times, Amy still couldn't remember Rory because she had lived a life where time had been rewritten/unwritten and they had never met.

Her memory was jogged (by her engagement ring?) and she amended time behind herself, now having lived two timelines, with and without Rory.



It's all there. Rory's deletion and recreation from Amy's timeline is a dress rehearsal for that happening to the Doctor later on.

Point is that The Doctor just jumped in a crack, and he didn't take the TARDIS with him, but that's how he returned to the "real" world.

Was Brian at the wedding?

River has plenty of temporal inertia herself, which is how she can survive the extraction of the Doctor from Time.

Ditto for Gallifrey and the Daleks.

 

[Volpone]

I'm realizing that you've picked a challenging place to start watching (as much as I'd recommend it to people). Moffat does some really confusing things in his storytelling. If you're used to time not being linear, they make sense--and I love that he's the first person to really run with the time travel aspect of the show (IMO), but it could kind of cook your brain if you come at things from the normal perspective that the first time you meet someone is the first time you meet someone.

 

[Guy Gardener]

JG's hero (and life partner) gets head aches thinking about timetravel.

Not a good role model for these trying times.

 

[The Four Doctor]

after the complaints from religious-minded folk about "Dark Water"/"Death in Heaven" you get the feeling that Mary Whitehouse is like bloody Whack-a-Mole, isn't she. Every time you think she's dead she comes back, regenerated into a new form, stronger and more self-righteous than before.

 

[Iamnotspock]

after the complaints from religious-minded folk about "Dark Water"/"Death in Heaven" you get the feeling that Mary Whitehouse is like bloody Whack-a-Mole, isn't she. Every time you think she's dead she comes back, regenerated into a new form, stronger and more self-righteous than before.

Mary Whitehouse is the Master.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

after the complaints from religious-minded folk about "Dark Water"/"Death in Heaven"

I wasn't aware there were any complaints?

Spoiler: DarkWater/Death in Heaven

The nethersphere made a hell of a lot more sense (pun intended) than any real religious afterlife myth for me!

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

JG's hero (and life partner) gets head aches thinking about timetravel.

Not a good role model for these trying times.

If you are referring to Janeway you are incorrect. First, she is ONE of my heroes, I have many others. Second, I prefer "girlfriend" as life partner sounds so unromantic. Third, she is #2 on my list. My #1 future wife is...

The Christmas special was great. Very heartbreaking and uplifting at the same time. Throughout the whole episode I thought that Old Kazran was played by Michael Gambon. Turns out I was right!

 

[Guy Gardener]

I picked my user name 15 years ago.

Kathy is not going to be a #2 forever.

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

She will be as long as Xena is still around. Yes I know technically she is dead but her reincarnated self is alive and kicking.