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Avengers: Age of Ultron- Grading & Discussion (spoilerific)

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It was nice to see the Avengers trying to save all those civilians in the city but it would also be nice to acknowledge how many died during the bewitched Hulk & Hulk vs Hulkbuster incident. If these were done in a DC movie the shitstorm would be big..

It may not have been directly acknowledged but the implication was certainly there and we saw, and heard, Tony try and to take Hulk out of the city -or at least use an unoccupied building to finally take Hulk down. And then of course over the ending battle we saw and heard them working to reduce or eliminate human fatalities. That's a whole heck of a lot more acknowledgment to human casualties than we got in MoS.

Yeah in MOS Supes caused most of the destruction by angrily pushing zod into any building that was in their way.

Only two buildings came down during the Superman/Zod fight and it was Zod who threw Superman though five buildings. As long as Superman was in control of fight damage was low.
 
Big question: we never saw what visuals Wanda induced in Bruce's mind. Whatever part(s) of the brain she stimulated, the visuals tended to key off of their own memories.
 
Big question: we never saw what visuals Wanda induced in Bruce's mind. Whatever part(s) of the brain she stimulated, the visuals tended to key off of their own memories.

I kind of thought the dreams came from their darkest fears and Banner's darkest fear is the loss of control.
 
It may not have been directly acknowledged but the implication was certainly there and we saw, and heard, Tony try and to take Hulk out of the city -or at least use an unoccupied building to finally take Hulk down. And then of course over the ending battle we saw and heard them working to reduce or eliminate human fatalities. That's a whole heck of a lot more acknowledgment to human casualties than we got in MoS.

Yeah in MOS Supes caused most of the destruction by angrily pushing zod into any building that was in their way.

Only two buildings came down during the Superman/Zod fight and it was Zod who threw Superman though five buildings. As long as Superman was in control of fight damage was low.

I was just about to post those numbers.

However I can still post this funny video of the Supes vs Zod fight.

Zod initiate nearly all the destruction in this fight. Rewatching it, I notice that Supes took a lot of punishment in this fight.

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwMwrFipAxQ[/yt]
 
It was nice to see the Avengers trying to save all those civilians in the city but it would also be nice to acknowledge how many died during the bewitched Hulk & Hulk vs Hulkbuster incident. If these were done in a DC movie the shitstorm would be big..

It may not have been directly acknowledged but the implication was certainly there and we saw, and heard, Tony try and to take Hulk out of the city -or at least use an unoccupied building to finally take Hulk down. And then of course over the ending battle we saw and heard them working to reduce or eliminate human fatalities. That's a whole heck of a lot more acknowledgment to human casualties than we got in MoS.

He tried to take Hulk out of the city after they had been fighting in the middle of the city, full of people and occupied cars around them, for quite a while.
Even when Stark saved those people in the elevator, he proceeded to smash it on Hulk's head, not caring about what that might mean for those same people who were still nearby.

And the unoccupied building was again in the middle of the city. With streets full of cars and pedestrians all around. No mention or consideration of where all the debris from the empty building ended up and how many they might have killed while it was crashing down.
If Superman had the JL by his side in MOS, then maybe we could talk about the ending battle too.

As for acknowledgment, apparently we are getting an entire movie dealing with the consequences of the MOS destruction. It remains to be seen if something similar will happen for AOU.

The truth is, none of this really bothers me that much. These are comicbook movies, I'm sure casualties were minimal & most people magically survived.
I just find it funny DC gets crucified for that but Marvel get a free pass and lots of excuses.
 
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It was nice to see the Avengers trying to save all those civilians in the city but it would also be nice to acknowledge how many died during the bewitched Hulk & Hulk vs Hulkbuster incident. If these were done in a DC movie the shitstorm would be big..

It may not have been directly acknowledged but the implication was certainly there and we saw, and heard, Tony try and to take Hulk out of the city -or at least use an unoccupied building to finally take Hulk down. And then of course over the ending battle we saw and heard them working to reduce or eliminate human fatalities. That's a whole heck of a lot more acknowledgment to human casualties than we got in MoS.

He tried to take Hulk out of the city after they had been fighting in the middle of the city, full of people and occupied cars around them, for quite a while.
Even when Stark saved those people in the elevator, he proceeded to smash it on Hulk's head, not caring about what that might mean for those same people who were still nearby.

And the unoccupied building was again in the middle of the city. With streets full of cars and pedestrians all around. No mention or consideration of where all the debris from the empty building ended up and how many they might have killed while it was crashing down.
If Superman had the JL by his side in MOS, then maybe we could talk about the ending battle too.

As for acknowledgment, apparently we are getting an entire movie dealing with the consequences of the MOS destruction. It remains to be seen if something similar will happen for AOU.

The truth is, none of this really bothers me that much. These are comicbook movies, I'm sure casualties were minimal & most people magically survived.
I just find it funny DC gets crucified for that or less but Marvel get a free pass and lots of excuses.

Um, Stark didn't have anyone by his side in Africa. They were all incapacitated. And he's considerably less powerful than Superman to begin with...

Also, Civil War is almost certainly going to be as much about all this collateral damage as DoJ will be.

Meanwhile, Superman was the one who took a fight that started in the middle of nowhere and slammed his enemies into a crowded population center...
 
Um, Stark didn't have anyone by his side in Africa. They were all incapacitated. And he's considerably less powerful than Superman to begin with...

We were talking about the events of the Hulk city fight, not the Wakanda events.

Also, Civil War is almost certainly going to be as much about all this collateral damage as DoJ will be.

I think so too but as I said, it remains to be seen.


Anyway, I don't want to turn the thread into yet another tiresome DC vs Marvel fight. I think I'll go out in the sun for a bit.
 
Um, Stark didn't have anyone by his side in Africa. They were all incapacitated. And he's considerably less powerful than Superman to begin with...

We were talking about the events of the Hulk city fight, not the Wakanda events.

The two occurred directly one after the other. The other avengers weren't in the city because they were still dealing with the aftermath of the first. (And most of the others would be useless against the Hulk, anyway...)
 
As I recall, the Hulk/Iron Man fight happens in Wakanda. It starts in the oil tanker graveyard doesn't it? That was in Wakanda.
 
Um, Stark didn't have anyone by his side in Africa. They were all incapacitated. And he's considerably less powerful than Superman to begin with...

We were talking about the events of the Hulk city fight, not the Wakanda events.

The two occurred directly one after the other. The other avengers weren't in the city because they were still dealing with the aftermath of the first. (And most of the others would be useless against the Hulk, anyway...)

I admit that I didn't look at the crowd during this fight to determine ration of Black to White people, but in the context of the story I thought that Hulk was trashing Central Wakanda.
 
We were talking about the events of the Hulk city fight, not the Wakanda events.

The two occurred directly one after the other. The other avengers weren't in the city because they were still dealing with the aftermath of the first. (And most of the others would be useless against the Hulk, anyway...)

I admit that I didn't look at the crowd during this fight to determine ration of Black to White people, but in the context of the story I thought that Hulk was trashing Central Wakanda.

MCU Wiki says South Africa...
 

I didn't think that was the reason. This guy has been interacting with fans for well over a decade, I'm sure over the years he's already encountered more than his fair share of vitriol from all quarters.
Honestly, I think we'll be seeing more and more people disengage from twitter. It's a handy little thing, but it's also a direct line to every vile attention seeking troll on the net.
 
As I recall, the Hulk/Iron Man fight happens in Wakanda. It starts in the oil tanker graveyard doesn't it? That was in Wakanda.

We were talking about the events of the Hulk city fight, not the Wakanda events.

The two occurred directly one after the other. The other avengers weren't in the city because they were still dealing with the aftermath of the first. (And most of the others would be useless against the Hulk, anyway...)

I admit that I didn't look at the crowd during this fight to determine ration of Black to White people, but in the context of the story I thought that Hulk was trashing Central Wakanda.

I'm fairly certain that none of those events actually happened in Wakanda, but rather all in a different African country (apparently South Africa, according to Wiki, but who knows if that's correct). It would make very little sense for Klaw to be operating out of Wakanda what with the Wakandans actively pissed at him for stealing their vibranium (and the movie made it sound like they were a country who knew how to get things done). Plus I don't believe the movie ever labeled any of the places we saw as actually being Wakanda.
 

I didn't think that was the reason. This guy has been interacting with fans for well over a decade, I'm sure over the years he's already encountered more than his fair share of vitriol from all quarters.
Honestly, I think we'll be seeing more and more people disengage from twitter. It's a handy little thing, but it's also a direct line to every vile attention seeking troll on the net.

So what exactly were these supposed feminist complaints about?
 

I didn't think that was the reason. This guy has been interacting with fans for well over a decade, I'm sure over the years he's already encountered more than his fair share of vitriol from all quarters.
Honestly, I think we'll be seeing more and more people disengage from twitter. It's a handy little thing, but it's also a direct line to every vile attention seeking troll on the net.

So what exactly were these supposed feminist complaints about?

The backstory of Natasha and her capture by Ultron later in the movie basically "ruining" her character.

I'm not familiar with the comics so maybe the backstory thing escapes me, the capture aspect doesn't seem outlandish given Ultrons power.

And they conveniently ignore that he also worked on all of Maria, Cho and Wanda's stories too, so I wouldn't give them the time of day on this drama.
 
I didn't think that was the reason. This guy has been interacting with fans for well over a decade, I'm sure over the years he's already encountered more than his fair share of vitriol from all quarters.
Honestly, I think we'll be seeing more and more people disengage from twitter. It's a handy little thing, but it's also a direct line to every vile attention seeking troll on the net.

So what exactly were these supposed feminist complaints about?

The backstory of Natasha and her capture by Ultron later in the movie basically "ruining" her character.

I'm not familiar with the comics so maybe the backstory thing escapes me, the capture aspect doesn't seem outlandish given Ultrons power.

And they conveniently ignore that he also worked on all of Maria, Cho and Wanda's stories too, so I wouldn't give them the time of day on this drama.

The back story of Natasha in the film pretty much WAS what was stated in marvel comics over the years. The original was that she was orphaned in WWII - was effectively adopted by a Russian soldier, and as she grew up attracted the attention of Soviet intelligence and was selected for pretty much the program they depicted in the film - and becoming a premier spy for the KGB. (Her original birthdate is circa 1930 or so as she first appeared in Marvel comics back in the 1960ies.)

With her MCU birthdate of 1984 (from Captain America: Winter Soldier); it couldn't be the actual KGB per say as in was shut down in 1990 - but the whole natasha flashback in the film is VERY MUCH in keeping with her original marvel origin story, so I don't see why any Feminist who may know the character from Marvel back in the day would be upset at Wheadon. Maybe they should do some nasty tweets to Stan Lee and Co. and Marvel in general - but it was true to to actual comic book character. ;)
 
November 22 1984, 4 days older than me.

But then it needn't be the full on KGB, wasn't it essentially renamed but continued operating as the brute force Russian anwser to everything anyway?
 
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